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September Plot Discussion

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G-SANtos

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Once again, I end up posting only a few days before it's time to close the thread. I need

For titles, they're probably going to be "Fixer" and "Analyzer".
As for why Sun's town isn't listed, my guess is maybe the page was made before Cinnabar was confirmed.

If Manabu ends up becoming a Dex Holder, I wonder what would be his skill. But I guess it's too early to think about that when he just became a trailer.

Sword and Shield chapter is called the 15th chapter
Well, even if Kusaka intends to make a volume-only arc between SM and SwSh (which we technically don't know for sure), he can't call SwSh anything other than "15th chapter" until such an inbetween arc exists.


Anyway, about the chapter, since it ends focusing on Shieldmillia, I guess we'll see her battle with Kabu next chapter, unless Kusaka really intends to have all Gym battles focusing on Soudo. If Shieldmillia's battle is shown, I guess she might finally name her Starter Exa.

Aside from Shieldmillia, I wonder if any of the other characters are going to have their Gym battles shown. Beet gets disowned in Stow-on-Side, so maybe we only have until then for him, unless Kusaka decides to change that. Maybe he gets the Stow-on-Side battle, and this brings into question how Kusaka is going to deal with the version-exclusive Leaders. For Stow-on-Side we have Fighting and Ghost. Beet is a Psychic-type specialist by this point, and both Gym types have a relation to his expertise type. I guess it would be more interesting to have him fight Onion (Allister) to show Beet winning despite a type disadvantage, and Saitou (Bea) can just show up in the Isle of Armor, whenever they decide to do something there, because Mustard is a former Fighting Gym Leader.
This also brings up who would be the Circhester Leader. Due to Kusaka usually trying to balance both versions all the time when possible, I guess the best approach would be to have one Leader of each version in the line-up. But this directly affects the gender ratio among the Gym Leaders. With Onion and Makuwa (Gordie) in the line-up it means we have only 2 female Gym Leaders in the Major League, and due to the Gyms being positioned by order of strength, that would potentially carry some sexist connotations. Meanwhile with Saitou and Melon you get an even split in gender ratio, but you lose the opportunity to have Beet showing his strength by overcoming a type disavantage.

I guess maybe Kusaka could just go full Shield version. This way you show Onion's prodigiousness by putting him in the Major League (and potentially Beet's strength by overcoming a type disadvantage), and then later show Melon's power as sixth GL by beating Shieldmillia's Raboot/Cinderace (unless her other Pokémon really don't show up until the crisis part of the arc), as well as having Makuwa trying to become stronger than his mother or something.

If Beet is not disowned by Rose like in the games, I guess we can have him fight Poplar (Opal) instead.
Mary is most likely going to be the one we see fighting Nezu (Piers). About Hop, I'm not really sure. I guess the most likely option is Kibana (Raihan) because he's his brother's Rival.

I wonder if we'll see these guys at any point. Maybe at the League, or at Spikemuth's entrance when the city is blocked.


Aside from the chapter, there's two things I want to talk about that I found last month. First, it's info from SwSh's first volume, we have profiles for Soudo's Pokémon. It confirms they're all male, has their levels, and lists their tools. Stickun's profile confirms he came from Professor Magnolia, continuing the tradition of Professors giving the Starters despite the games seemingly dropping it.
The preview for the next volume also teases stuff relating to Rose, and also about the legendaries. We're already getting the Rose scenes, but I'm also wondering if we'll see the Stow-on-Side statues alrerady on volume 2.

And second, this. I don't know Chinese, but as far as Google Translate helps, this user believes the first chapter foreshadowed Soudo's team. If you look at that panels, it shows 5 Pokémon, the exact number Soudo needs to form a team besides Grookey, and two of them he already has/had. Yeah, there's the oddity of it showing Kantonian Farfetch'd instead of Galarian, but remember Yamamoto drew the first chapter without playing the game. It's possible he didn't know what Galarian Farfetch'd looked like, or that it even existed. Though, considering the Farfetch'd wasn't redrawn for the volume (as we can see in the Amazon preview), it's also possible we're meant to interpret it as Manabu picturing these Pokémon. Or maybe they didn't want to introduce the Galarian form in a cameo or are keeping art fixes for the full volumes.

Anyway, from what I can understand with Google Translate, that user also mentions how that list includes two Starters that aren't owned by Dex Holders, and that the Pokédex mentions famous paintings of Sirfetch'd fighting Escavalier.
The first could technically solve one problem about certain Starters not having Holders, but it still leaves out Primarina, and ignores the fact official illustrations tend to only show the Starter from the Holder's Generation/region. For example, illustrations of the PokéSpe Starters (like the cover of the artbook) include Marisso, but not Salamè. Regardless, we now have three Starters that use tools. If Soudo gets all three, he would be first Dex Holder to have three Starters on his team, and one Starters of each type overall. Well, except for when Red temporarily had Green's Charizard and Blue's Blastoise in GSC.
And I don't know why that user brings up the painting. I guess they just found it cool. But it reminds of the theory Soudo kidnapped Shieldmillia's Pokémon. If that theory is correct, I guess we could see him fighting Lack-Two one day to reference these paintings.

If this panel is actually foreshadowing his team, here's my guess for teh nicknames, based on the naming scheme.
Cubone/Marowak: Konboun.
Delphox: Tsuen.
Samurott: Katanan.

Unless his naming scheme requires the names ends in "un", in which case the latter two would be Tsuun and Katanun.
 

Mr.Munchlax

Great Ball Rank Trainer
Once again, I end up posting only a few days before it's time to close the thread. I need

For titles, they're probably going to be "Fixer" and "Analyzer".
As for why Sun's town isn't listed, my guess is maybe the page was made before Cinnabar was confirmed.

If Manabu ends up becoming a Dex Holder, I wonder what would be his skill. But I guess it's too early to think about that when he just became a trailer.


Well, even if Kusaka intends to make a volume-only arc between SM and SwSh (which we technically don't know for sure), he can't call SwSh anything other than "15th chapter" until such an inbetween arc exists.


Anyway, about the chapter, since it ends focusing on Shieldmillia, I guess we'll see her battle with Kabu next chapter, unless Kusaka really intends to have all Gym battles focusing on Soudo. If Shieldmillia's battle is shown, I guess she might finally name her Starter Exa.

Aside from Shieldmillia, I wonder if any of the other characters are going to have their Gym battles shown. Beet gets disowned in Stow-on-Side, so maybe we only have until then for him, unless Kusaka decides to change that. Maybe he gets the Stow-on-Side battle, and this brings into question how Kusaka is going to deal with the version-exclusive Leaders. For Stow-on-Side we have Fighting and Ghost. Beet is a Psychic-type specialist by this point, and both Gym types have a relation to his expertise type. I guess it would be more interesting to have him fight Onion (Allister) to show Beet winning despite a type disadvantage, and Saitou (Bea) can just show up in the Isle of Armor, whenever they decide to do something there, because Mustard is a former Fighting Gym Leader.
This also brings up who would be the Circhester Leader. Due to Kusaka usually trying to balance both versions all the time when possible, I guess the best approach would be to have one Leader of each version in the line-up. But this directly affects the gender ratio among the Gym Leaders. With Onion and Makuwa (Gordie) in the line-up it means we have only 2 female Gym Leaders in the Major League, and due to the Gyms being positioned by order of strength, that would potentially carry some sexist connotations. Meanwhile with Saitou and Melon you get an even split in gender ratio, but you lose the opportunity to have Beet showing his strength by overcoming a type disavantage.

I guess maybe Kusaka could just go full Shield version. This way you show Onion's prodigiousness by putting him in the Major League (and potentially Beet's strength by overcoming a type disadvantage), and then later show Melon's power as sixth GL by beating Shieldmillia's Raboot/Cinderace (unless her other Pokémon really don't show up until the crisis part of the arc), as well as having Makuwa trying to become stronger than his mother or something.

If Beet is not disowned by Rose like in the games, I guess we can have him fight Poplar (Opal) instead.
Mary is most likely going to be the one we see fighting Nezu (Piers). About Hop, I'm not really sure. I guess the most likely option is Kibana (Raihan) because he's his brother's Rival.

I wonder if we'll see these guys at any point. Maybe at the League, or at Spikemuth's entrance when the city is blocked.


Aside from the chapter, there's two things I want to talk about that I found last month. First, it's info from SwSh's first volume, we have profiles for Soudo's Pokémon. It confirms they're all male, has their levels, and lists their tools. Stickun's profile confirms he came from Professor Magnolia, continuing the tradition of Professors giving the Starters despite the games seemingly dropping it.
The preview for the next volume also teases stuff relating to Rose, and also about the legendaries. We're already getting the Rose scenes, but I'm also wondering if we'll see the Stow-on-Side statues alrerady on volume 2.

And second, this. I don't know Chinese, but as far as Google Translate helps, this user believes the first chapter foreshadowed Soudo's team. If you look at that panels, it shows 5 Pokémon, the exact number Soudo needs to form a team besides Grookey, and two of them he already has/had. Yeah, there's the oddity of it showing Kantonian Farfetch'd instead of Galarian, but remember Yamamoto drew the first chapter without playing the game. It's possible he didn't know what Galarian Farfetch'd looked like, or that it even existed. Though, considering the Farfetch'd wasn't redrawn for the volume (as we can see in the Amazon preview), it's also possible we're meant to interpret it as Manabu picturing these Pokémon. Or maybe they didn't want to introduce the Galarian form in a cameo or are keeping art fixes for the full volumes.

Anyway, from what I can understand with Google Translate, that user also mentions how that list includes two Starters that aren't owned by Dex Holders, and that the Pokédex mentions famous paintings of Sirfetch'd fighting Escavalier.
The first could technically solve one problem about certain Starters not having Holders, but it still leaves out Primarina, and ignores the fact official illustrations tend to only show the Starter from the Holder's Generation/region. For example, illustrations of the PokéSpe Starters (like the cover of the artbook) include Marisso, but not Salamè. Regardless, we now have three Starters that use tools. If Soudo gets all three, he would be first Dex Holder to have three Starters on his team, and one Starters of each type overall. Well, except for when Red temporarily had Green's Charizard and Blue's Blastoise in GSC.
And I don't know why that user brings up the painting. I guess they just found it cool. But it reminds of the theory Soudo kidnapped Shieldmillia's Pokémon. If that theory is correct, I guess we could see him fighting Lack-Two one day to reference these paintings.

If this panel is actually foreshadowing his team, here's my guess for teh nicknames, based on the naming scheme.
Cubone/Marowak: Konboun.
Delphox: Tsuen.
Samurott: Katanan.

Unless his naming scheme requires the names ends in "un", in which case the latter two would be Tsuun and Katanun.
Yeah, but Soudo can't have Delphox or Samurott on his team since they're not in the Galar Dex, otherwise fans will complain about it.
 

G-SANtos

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Yeah, but Soudo can't have Delphox or Samurott on his team since they're not in the Galar Dex, otherwise fans will complain about it.
So? PokéSpe has done a gazillion times that can't be done in the games.
-Crystal's Arcanine's name broke the pre-XY character limit. Kusaka even confirmed in the official site's Q&A back in the day the character limit is not a thing in-universe, and gave a comically long name for a Rattata as an example.
-The Far Away Island has more paneltime in the FRLG arc than in Emerald, even though it's an E-exclusive location.
-You can't go to Johto in ORAS, and yet Ruby and Senri do.

PokéSpe doesn't have to literally follow the games to every centimeter. It already doesn't. And even the anime already has Satoshi catching a Dragonite, which is not in SwSh (yet). People like to make jokes and fanart about Galar having a ban on foreign Pokémon and having some sort of border patrol or deportation policy, but no official material has ever done that.

Honestly, at this point I believe the entire National Dex will return in Gen 8. We already have a map layout that implies more SwSh DLC is planned, and according to datamines and a credible leak the Hoenn Starters are returning in Crown Tundra. Even if the NatDex doesn't return, I think at least all the Starters will, so the point about them not being in the games might become irrelevant by the time Soudo has a full team.
 
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