Serebii Forums Suggestions Thread

[Sham]

I mean, technically they could allow Hunter to be a PAD mod, if they allow him to that is.

And ye I agree on the second sentence but unfortunately, PAD definitely needs more than just him. Sushi is MIA for 95% of the time and Dephender is essentially just solely a once a week guy to put summaries and new titles since he's basically the only person that could do it. From an estimate, PAD would basically need another 3-4 mods aside from Hunter hypothetically being able to mod the place now since there's so much one person can actually do.

There are some certain users in PAD that could do well in modding....but that's a matter of if they're willing to attempt to mod the dumpster fire there.

That’s true but I think there should be steps taken before electing one, like you know getting the people’s input? I think Hunter should be allowed to mod the place and then later down the line more mods are put into action.

Of course there might be situations down the line where we need more but “will do the job” and “can do the job” is a bit different in my opinion. People tend to behave very funny when they’re given power (yes even on a Pokémon forum) so hopefully there are steps to prevent that.

 

[Pokegirl Fan~]

That’s true but I think there should be steps taken before electing one, like you know getting the people’s input? I think Hunter should be allowed to mod the place and then later down the line more mods are put into action.

Of course there might be situations down the line where we need more but “will do the job” and “can do the job” is a bit different in my opinion. People tend to behave very funny when they’re given power (yes even on a Pokémon forum) so hopefully there are steps to prevent that.

Agreed, you need to be very careful in choosing mods.

 

[Sham]

Agreed, you need to be very careful in choosing mods.

Period. It should be somebody fair, somebody who doesn’t show preferences, honest etc and I think until they find those people mods like Hunter should be allowed to mod that area and even @WishIhadaManafi5 if they're willing at times until an informed choice can be made

 

[Hunter Zolomon]

To those being supportive of me, and endorsing me, I appreciate the kind support. I'm fully committed to helping the forum in any way that I can. I care about this place. If I didn't care about this place I would have never accepted the job of being a moderator in the first place.

My biggest complaint for the longest time was the lack of moderators being active. I understand that some folks are working, going to school, people get busy. It's understandable, but there still has to be time to moderate. Besides combating spambots this forum is pretty lax for the most part. The only area that seems to need serious attention is PAD. I would say PAD needs at least 3 serious mods that can get on frequently. It will take a team effort to keep that area at bay.

 

[PsychoLogical]

It should be somebody fair, somebody who doesn’t show preferences, honest etc and I think until they find those people

I would say PAD needs at least 3 serious mods that can get on frequently. It will take a team effort to keep that area at bay.

I might have a few certain candidates that could fit either or even both profiles....

Although that's only if they're willing to like I stated a few times.

 

[TwilightBlade]

course there might be situations down the line where we need more but “will do the job” and “can do the job” is a bit different in my opinion. People tend to behave very funny when they’re given power (yes even on a Pokémon forum) so hopefully there are steps to prevent that.

Well I'm pretty sure the staff don't just mod people out of the blue. They pick them based on what they've seen on the forum and take member history and personality into account. But how would you weed out the members who might 'behave very funny' if given mod status? If someone has never been a mod on here before then how would you know if they'll become drunk with power in the future? :[

Also you've mentioned choosing mods democratically which I think is a really bad idea if you're suggesting that regular members should have input. I don't think regular members should have any authority on picking who should become a mod because only mods know the entire history of the members here including how many times they've broken the rules, and a member who might seem rule-abiding on the surface could have like 30 warnings over the years and regular members wouldn't know that. So us regular members are not informed enough to elect new mods.

 

[PsychoLogical]

Well I'm pretty sure the staff don't just mod people out of the blue. They pick them based on what they've seen on the forum and take member history and personality into account. But how would you weed out the members who might 'behave very funny' if given mod status? If someone has never been a mod on here before then how would you know if they'll become drunk with power in the future? :[

Also you've mentioned choosing mods democratically which I think is a really bad idea if you're suggesting that regular members should have input. I don't think regular members should have any authority on picking who should become a mod because only mods know the entire history of the members here including how many times they've broken the rules, and a member who might seem rule-abiding on the surface could have like 30 warnings over the years and regular members wouldn't know that. So us regular members are not informed enough to elect new mods.

ye the last paragraph probably sums up why the "democratic" route is the bad option, considering having the input of most from PAD is an absolute no. PAD needs new mods but whoever becomes the new mods has to absolutely have NO input from the members of PAD themselves, it's more likely to end in disaster than any good.

 

[WishIhadaManafi5]

To those being supportive of me, and endorsing me, I appreciate the kind support. I'm fully committed to helping the forum in any way that I can. I care about this place. If I didn't care about this place I would have never accepted the job of being a moderator in the first place.

My biggest complaint for the longest time was the lack of moderators being active. I understand that some folks are working, going to school, people get busy. It's understandable, but there still has to be time to moderate. Besides combating spambots this forum is pretty lax for the most part. The only area that seems to need serious attention is PAD. I would say PAD needs at least 3 serious mods that can get on frequently. It will take a team effort to keep that area at bay.

Same here. Y'all are what's keeping me around. Any issues aside, being a moderator on this forum has been worth it. I wouldn't mind helping out if need be either.

Exactly. It gets to be rowdy at times and needs to be reined in now and then.

 

[Hunter Zolomon]

@WishIhadaManafi5 is a fantastic mod. Being fair is definitely key. If some people are arguing you can't just pick and choose one person to infract. Keeping things fair is key. Truth is infractions don't need dished out all over the place in PAD. There's some folks that have been infracted several times and still never learn lol. I think the biggest thing at this point is just reminding some folks what they're doing is wrong sometimes. There's not enough active mods in PAD to de-esculate situations.

The way I approach something is let's de-esculate first. If we can't reach a compromise and the user still acts up...Well...I have no choice but to infract. I've never once handed out an unfair infraction. There's a side to every story.

Sometimes us as people just need a kick in the you know where sometimes in life. Heck, even I do lol. PAD just needs a reminder that there's still rules in place. It's a free for all over there because there's no one active to set that reminder.

 

[Sham]

Well I'm pretty sure the staff don't just mod people out of the blue. They pick them based on what they've seen on the forum and take member history and personality into account. But how would you weed out the members who might 'behave very funny' if given mod status? If someone has never been a mod on here before then how would you know if they'll become drunk with power in the future? :[

Well to be completely truthful, I’m not that sure, I wasn’t expecting that question. Hm, maybe a questioner, interview process etc? I’m not really sure but I definitely know that’s a typical complaint on forums in general about moderation being impartial.

Also you've mentioned choosing mods democratically which I think is a really bad idea if you're suggesting that regular members should have input. I don't think regular members should have any authority on picking who should become a mod because only mods know the entire history of the members here including how many times they've broken the rules, and a member who might seem rule-abiding on the surface could have like 30 warnings over the years and regular members wouldn't know that. So us regular members are not informed enough to elect new mods.

True but I don’t think an infraction history should cancel out somebody from being a mod because there could be so many layers on how they got them. I don’t know for certain if democracy is the best option but I don’t think that within itself should be the end all be all if somebody becomes a mod especially depending on what the infraction history was even for. So I think obviously the mods, Serebii (obv who is the owner) should be involved but perhaps the people as well. It’s just a thought. Whatever it takes to have a fair person who’s actually here to help rather than just go on power trips. That’s just my opinion idk.

 

[Pokegirl Fan~]

@WishIhadaManafi5 is a fantastic mod. Being fair is definitely key. If some people are arguing you can't just pick and choose one person to infract. Keeping things fair is key. Truth is infractions don't need dished out all over the place in PAD. There's some folks that have been infracted several times and still never learn lol. I think the biggest thing at this point is just reminding some folks what they're doing is wrong sometimes. There's not enough active mods in PAD to de-esculate situations.

The way I approach something is let's de-esculate first. If we can't reach a compromise and the user still acts up...Well...I have no choice but to infract. I've never once handed out an unfair infraction. There's a side to every story.

Sometimes us as people just need a kick in the you know where sometimes in life. Heck, even I do lol. PAD just needs a reminder that there's still rules in place. It's a free for all over there because there's no one active to set that reminder.

Usually in thread announcements/warnings help de-esculate and bring the thread back on topic from what I've seen and will also help remind everyone about the rules.

 

[PsychoLogical]

@WishIhadaManafi5 is a fantastic mod. Being fair is definitely key. If some people are arguing you can't just pick and choose one person to infract. Keeping things fair is key. Truth is infractions don't need dished out all over the place in PAD. There's some folks that have been infracted several times and still never learn lol. I think the biggest thing at this point is just reminding some folks what they're doing is wrong sometimes. There's not enough active mods in PAD to de-esculate situations.

The way I approach something is let's de-esculate first. If we can't reach a compromise and the user still acts up...Well...I have no choice but to infract. I've never once handed out an unfair infraction. There's a side to every story.

Sometimes us as people just need a kick in the you know where sometimes in life. Heck, even I do lol. PAD just needs a reminder that there's still rules in place. It's a free for all over there because there's no one active to set that reminder.

from throughout I’ve been and seen in PAD, a simple warning and/or announcement telling people to knock it off or shutup can usually get the job done. However at the same time, from what I’ve seen at least, being unfair and even harsh like maybe threatening temporary suspensions might be very necessary at times.

It’s sad to say but it’s just the unfortunate reality.

 

[Sham]

from throughout I’ve been and seen in PAD, a simple warning and/or announcement telling people to knock it off or shutup can usually get the job done. However at the same time, from what I’ve seen at least, being unfair and even harsh like maybe threatening temporary suspensions might be very necessary at times.

It’s sad to say but it’s just the unfortunate reality.

Yea but temporary suspension should be the last course of action after doing the appropriate procedures right? Clear communication on what they did wrong so they can have a chance to stop the actions before it gets to the point before ya lay down the hammer

 

[PsychoLogical]

Yea but temporary suspension should be the last course of action after doing the appropriate procedures right? Clear communication on what they did wrong so they can have a chance to stop the actions before it gets to the point before ya lay down the hammer

yes ofc. However, I guess this is likely due to differences in "ideology" but based on what some users have been acting and doing, I find them to be very undeserving of a chance and should automatically get the banhammer due to them having repeatedly doing the same thing over and over that would've been rulebreaking like threads getting derailed due to shipping wars (which should've been an automatic reason for comment purging), which I should note, has been very noticeable these past few weeks with no one to get them to stop. And when they do stop, they usually soon after freely get into another one of those antics without intervention.

I still remember when the Character Speculation thread had to be permanently locked by @Hunter Zolomon about 17 months ago (which has since then purged from existence at some point) cause of assholes getting heated over shipping and some other crap relating to the characters.

And the fact that Hunter again had to lock another thread in PAD which was the anime leaks thread due to essentially the same reason why the Character Speculation thread was locked does not help. And the worst part about that fact? It was locked for an Off Topic reason. The thread was meant to contain the leaks that have been spreading for quite some time but was derailed and locked because of an off topic reason that lasted a few pages. Going a bit off topic shouldn't exactly be a reason for intervention but when it lasts longer than it should is and even gets into the "no-no" territory is where it crosses the line.

Now having a fair chance should be the intended goal. But at the same time, at least from my POV, some users just don't deserve it. I've seen that there were multiple warnings to knock it off put out in the past throughout when Journeys was airing but once the heat died down, they just nonchalantly go back to doing and fanning the heat again as if nothing ever happened.

 

[SerGoldenhandtheJust]

I've been very active in the anime section of this forum, especially during the third year of SM and entirety of JN, seen it go to crap and seen it degrade, and have seen the majority of interactions there. I feel like I have a pretty good knowledge of the forum members, so if possible, I'd love to nominate some people the upper staff could consider for mods as well for the anime section (I'd volunteer myself but I don't think I'll be considered coz I've clashed at times with other fans, even if I do promise to be fair and unbiased if I'm selected):

@Leonhart I feel fits the bill perfectly for someone who's unbiased, well liked and understanding. Only issue might be I'm not sure whether he'll be too invested in wanting to be a mod

@masdog Has been a pretty great user throughout his time, always insightful, encouraging users to do better and never stooping low. He's active and would make a great mod

@LazySpy is another good choice, while he doesn't post as much except for funny memes, he does keep an eye on stuff and is in general someone who would be very unbiased, fair and someone who would want to mod.

@Ignition is someone else I'd also recommend, but just like Leonhart not sure about their willingness to be a mod

 

[Sham]

yes ofc. However, I guess this is likely due to differences in "ideology" but based on what some users have been acting and doing, I find them to be very undeserving of a chance and should automatically get the banhammer due to them having repeatedly doing the same thing over and over that would've been rulebreaking like threads getting derailed due to shipping wars (which should've been an automatic reason for comment purging), which I should note, has been very noticeable these past few weeks with no one to get them to stop. And when they do stop, they usually soon after freely get into another one of those antics without intervention.

Perhaps and although you are right some people are here to troll you won't really know that unless having a proper conversation and going through a way of passage and a guide. Just giving an infraction or warning and not saying what it's for won't help the long term problem in my opinion. Give everyone the benefit of doubt and you catch my flys with honey than vinegar. Plus you're not a mindreader it's not like you truly know everyones intentions. I'm not saying if and when you become a mod you should let this be the Wild West but you should also give everybody a chance of grace and the benefit of a doubt. Thaaaatsss what I think at least.

 

[SerGoldenhandtheJust]

Also I'd like to mention my above 4 nominations were also IN ADDITION to advocating for @Hunter Zolomon to be allowed to mod the anime section as well
All of us have had a pleasant experience with him when he's stepped in to mod the anime section, he's trustworthy and I feel no one would have an objection. Definitely vouch

 

[WishIhadaManafi5]

Perhaps and although you are right some people are here to troll you won't really know that unless having a proper conversation and going through a way of passage and a guide. Just giving an infraction or warning and not saying what it's for won't help the long term problem in my opinion. Give everyone the benefit of doubt and you catch my flys with honey than vinegar. Plus you're not a mindreader it's not like you truly know everyones intentions. I'm not saying if and when you become a mod you should let this be the Wild West but you should also give everybody a chance of grace and the benefit of a doubt. Thaaaatsss what I think at least.

I agree with you about the honey and vinegar part. Try to see what's going on, situation wise, get the other person's side of things. De escalation comes in handy now and then tho, depending on the situation.

 

[masdog]

Yea but temporary suspension should be the last course of action after doing the appropriate procedures right? Clear communication on what they did wrong so they can have a chance to stop the actions before it gets to the point before ya lay down the hammer

I would think that temporary suspensions or posting restrictions should be a last resort, but there are always exceptions for egregious conduct like, as an example, posting explicit and/or NSFW content.

True but I don’t think an infraction history should cancel out somebody from being a mod because there could be so many layers on how they got them. I don’t know for certain if democracy is the best option but I don’t think that within itself should be the end all be all if somebody becomes a mod especially depending on what the infraction history was even for. So I think obviously the mods, Serebii (obv who is the owner) should be involved but perhaps the people as well. It’s just a thought. Whatever it takes to have a fair person who’s actually here to help rather than just go on power trips. That’s just my opinion idk.

Democracy or having active user input in moderator selection is generally a bad idea. It can make things into a popularity contest.

The challenge that @Serebii and the staff/admins/moderators will have is figuring out who will take the role seriously and have the maturity to not let it go to their head.

 

[SerGoldenhandtheJust]

I agree with you about the honey and vinegar part. Try to see what's going on, situation wise, get the other person's side of things. De escalation comes in handy now and then tho, depending on the situation.

Yeah transparency has been LACKING with the recent moderation in the anime section
Random infractions given for stuff said about a series or a character that would be turned a blind eye to if it was done for some other series
Some users getting exemptions from 'character bashing' rule and are allowed to act the way they are, while others are punished

There's just NO transparency or communication from the mods of how they are going forward with stuff, which leads to MANY people feeling as if the moderation is biased and unfair. (And this isn't me pulling things out of nowhere, but based on conversations with other users as well)