Superlegenda
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How was Pecha useful to the plot?
Oh no, a "dull copy" of something good and better than this new "original" content, the horror.
Pecha's lore is utterly pointless if you completely ignore Ogerpon, like the anime did.
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Oh no, a "dull copy" of something good and better than this new "original" content, the horror.
Pecha's lore is utterly pointless if you completely ignore Ogerpon, like the anime did.
CelestLibra99
Well-Known Member
The TeraTypes. Diana didn't know at the time she captured it that they needed strong Pokémon, but now Pecharunt could be the poison type they need. They wouldn't throw a Pokémon like that in the plot if is not going to be used.
And you don't seem to get what i meant. Literally translating the whole Pecharunt-Ogerpon lore was not going to be useful to story. It would just make waste time when the episode is only about how Hamber and Diana meet Pecharunt. Is THEIR story.
Is not "better" or "worse" if they don't infodump everything in a episode meant not to be a "faithful" adaptation or a full arc about it, but rather a single episode flashback that introduces how a secondary character catched a special mon of her team.
AuraChannelerChris
(You just said something so weird.)
To be fair, 10% is **** even in the games. It's like barely stronger than a Phione.
345ash-greninja
Auto-Memories Doll
But in the anime that was not the case for the 10% Zygarde that appeared in the XY series. Remember the episode "Meeting at Terminus Cave"?
camimon
Active Member
I don't think the powerlevel show in Horizons and the powerlevel shown in the Ashnime are comparable.
SerGoldenhandtheJust
Deluded Dreamer
How is this episode in any way about how Diana and Hamber meet Pecharunt lmao? That would actually have been interesting to see and would have utilised Kitakami in a fun way.
How ironic
Pokemonfanforlife7
Year of the Fire Horse
You're right-the former is much worse than the latter and makes far less sense.
FinnishPokéFan92
A huggable electric rodent!
If you ask me, Horizons has made the power levels of Legendary Pokémon more realistic than they were. In most of PtS, Legendary Pokémon were portrayed as unstoppable forces, but ever since Journeys, they've started to make them seem less like divinely powerful forces and more like just very strong Pokémon that are, in the end, still Pokémon. As much as I don't want to compare the anime to Pokémon Adventures, that manga has treated Legendaries and Mythicals this way for a long time now (to the point of outright disrespect at times, if you ask me, but that's besides the point).
SerGoldenhandtheJust
Deluded Dreamer
I’m okay with side legendaries and mythicals not being as powerful or invincible, but main legendaries like Zygarde or Rayquaza should still have that presence about them
Pokemonfanforlife7
Year of the Fire Horse
I don't think that's a good thing, personally.
Makes them feel more Legendary and awe-inspiring.
Just one of the many, many things Journeys did wrong/butchered.
The manga and the anime have always been (mostly) distinct and separate from one another.
FinnishPokéFan92
A huggable electric rodent!
Which, I feel, Horizons has managed to respect, since those two have really seemed very strong and hard to fight against.
I felt it was natural. With Ash being a Champion in Journeys, it was natural that the power gap between him and previously untouchable forces, such as Legendary Pokémon, Elite Four members, and Champions, would be smaller than before. It was a subtle perspective change, brought about by Ash's growth in strength and the power scaling of the anime.
That is true, fortunately.
Pokemonfanforlife7
Year of the Fire Horse
Somewhat, I suppose.
Can't say I agree, sorry. To me, Journeys was a complete and utter mess of a series that desecrated nearly everything the anime stood for and was a horrible send-off for Ash.
It's one of the main reasons I want him to return, in fact-to rectify the egregious sin that was his final series/departure and give him an actually worthy send-off.
They wouldn't be able to show half the stuff they do in the manga in the anime anyway.
Zhydra
Master of Chaos!
One of the scariest things said in the games, straight out of Ghetsis's mouth is regardless if said pokemon is viewed as a god or not, it's still a pokemon. A pokemon that can, be corralled into a ball and made to follow our requests. NOW whether or not said Legendary stays with us if we ever think things like that is a different story since in the anime they had a Heatran MELT his ball while in SV Terapagos blasted his to kingdom come.
Zhydra
Master of Chaos!
Also the big reason Zygarde went down when we saw him is because he was in 10% form, who while fast and physically strong... isn't very durable.
If you want Zygarde and durable, 50% is the route.
Kazuniya
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Yeah, the doggo has like 50% less HP than regular Zygarde, and while it outspeeds 50% Zygarde, its defenses are lower too.
Definitely not fair to treat it like a regular legendary.
GMax Helios
Well-Known Member
Despite not watching the episode, I feel like I'm the only one who's problem is the whole Pecharunt dance thing. I've already explained numerous times why I hate it, and I don't feel the need to explain it again, but seriously. I hated it in the DLC, I hated it in Masters, I really don't understand why Pecharunt keeps being used for this. It's not like Pokemon has been scared to delve into really dark themes, especially the anime. Need I bring up Sun and Moon?
FinnishPokéFan92
A huggable electric rodent!
It doesn't mean that Pokémon needs to handle stuff like that all the time, either. This is a franchise for children, first and foremost, after all.
Zhydra
Master of Chaos!
Yeah it has it's serious moments... in a series that is pretty heavy on the comedy and slap stick otherwise. Stuff that entertains me for a good hour in absurdity. (A Nurse Joy taking off with a flock of Oricorio, Mary Poppins style.)
Pokemon is the kind of setting where you get your crazy comedy while having some heavy moments where it counts. There's also that youtube video about the back story of Pecharunt and the Lousy Three, that helps flesh them out as more than a no good group of bandits.
They're pretty small scope in their villainy anyways (Even if that scope ruined Ogrepon's life and thus they deserve to get bonked.) and nowadays I'm getting a Wario vibe from them.
We'll be in for darker stuff REALLY soon anyways since the kids are raiding the base of the scumbags that have attempted to have them killed.
Superlegenda
Well-Known Member
Rayquaza was being knocked around by not even fully evolved Pokemon, and Zyg got thrown to the ground by a cat that had literally just evolved a minute ago.
Queen Cynthia
Dignified Queen of Sinnoh
I checked Wikipedia for that Momotaro figure and found this:
En route, Momotarō met and befriended a talking dog, monkey and pheasant, who agreed to help him in his quest in exchange for a portion of his rations (kibi dango or "millet dumplings").
I'm not very familiar with Japanese folklore but this definitely reminds me of the Loyal Three and how Pecharunt, whose form resembles a peach ("Peach Boy"), shares its mochi.
It's kind of funny when you look it it from this perspective. But admittedly, it's difficult for us Westerners to get the context.
Also, could that "kibi kibi" dance the RVT did be a reference to it?
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