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should 4kids license The anime Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya
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Yamato-san
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most people agree that 4kids is pretty much the bane of anime existance, so odds are that if you ask such a question here, you're gonna get a ton of negative responses.
No. The following would be more entertaining than seeing a 4Kids dub of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya:
I have a question: Does the starter of this thread honestly believe that it should happen? If yes, have you gotten any sleep lately?
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I have a question: Does the starter of this thread honestly believe that it should happen? If yes, have you gotten any sleep lately?
Obviously no, but clearly there is one component that would be problematic.
... well first there's lots of japanese text on the walls, papers, etc.
And most definitely there would be a problem with the Moe concept, or rather parts where Asahina is abused.
Oh, and not only would it be not accurate, but it also doesn't have any large merchandise ploy. As popular as it is, there are no toys, action figures, and such, which are contained in several anime that 4kids have dubbed. It wouldn't be a smart marketing ploy, especially when there is no English version novel.
Also, KyoAni isn't even done with the series. Unlike pokemon, there are no pokemon. Unlike YuGiOh, there are no cards.
Now if I wanted Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu in English, I would prefer the novel or the recent manga being translated instead. Oh, I wouldn't want 4kids dubbing it either if you take the patterns of things that they already do (note: japanese text that can be seen). Then you got things like the poster with the Seiyuus, no site that associates with the airings, Nekomen confusion.
It's a nice anime, but do you see the weaknesses of trying to license it? There's no merchandise to sell! You wouldn't hve Hare Hare Yukai or Bouken Desho, Desho either so you don't have the music component which had good sales. And once again, no novels in English. There aren't many Suzumiya Haruhi items in Japan that are sold besides music and novels, meaning there's virtually nothing anywhere else.
As if the content put in English, even if it was translated well, you already would have to lose the opening and the ending. That pretty much kills the mood. What kind of opening and ending would they have!? -_-
And once again, it probably wouldn't really sell. Not to little kids for sure (Suzumiya Haruhi is a light novel for young teens I think. It wouldn't be rated G nor Y7 either.)
Too many flaws with the intent to license it. At least in 4kids' aspect it doesn't seem plausible at all.
Oh the horrors if imagining it in English. OP and ED would be dead already.
... well first there's lots of japanese text on the walls, papers, etc.
And most definitely there would be a problem with the Moe concept, or rather parts where Asahina is abused.
Oh, and not only would it be not accurate, but it also doesn't have any large merchandise ploy. As popular as it is, there are no toys, action figures, and such, which are contained in several anime that 4kids have dubbed. It wouldn't be a smart marketing ploy, especially when there is no English version novel.
Also, KyoAni isn't even done with the series. Unlike pokemon, there are no pokemon. Unlike YuGiOh, there are no cards.
Now if I wanted Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu in English, I would prefer the novel or the recent manga being translated instead. Oh, I wouldn't want 4kids dubbing it either if you take the patterns of things that they already do (note: japanese text that can be seen). Then you got things like the poster with the Seiyuus, no site that associates with the airings, Nekomen confusion.
It's a nice anime, but do you see the weaknesses of trying to license it? There's no merchandise to sell! You wouldn't hve Hare Hare Yukai or Bouken Desho, Desho either so you don't have the music component which had good sales. And once again, no novels in English. There aren't many Suzumiya Haruhi items in Japan that are sold besides music and novels, meaning there's virtually nothing anywhere else.
As if the content put in English, even if it was translated well, you already would have to lose the opening and the ending. That pretty much kills the mood. What kind of opening and ending would they have!? -_-
And once again, it probably wouldn't really sell. Not to little kids for sure (Suzumiya Haruhi is a light novel for young teens I think. It wouldn't be rated G nor Y7 either.)
Too many flaws with the intent to license it. At least in 4kids' aspect it doesn't seem plausible at all.
Oh the horrors if imagining it in English. OP and ED would be dead already.
The Requiem
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corphish said:
the only thing 4kids should get their hands on is a rotating chainsaw blade. That way they lose their hands, and ruin nothing else ever... >_<.
kaibachaoschampion
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No! Thats rediculous. Why do you think that 4Kids should licence anything?
Avegaille
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Bleh, I don't think 4Kids should license the anime... Why? It pretty much contains a lot of perverted scenes and such, which in fact is not good for little children... -_-'
And if they get their hands on the anime, I'm pretty sure they're cut off a lot of scenes, which is not a good thing for the fans...
And if they get their hands on the anime, I'm pretty sure they're cut off a lot of scenes, which is not a good thing for the fans...
That Scary Clefairy
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S_P said:Obviously no, but clearly there is one component that would be problematic.
... well first there's lots of japanese text on the walls, papers, etc.
And most definitely there would be a problem with the Moe concept, or rather parts where Asahina is abused.
Oh, and not only would it be not accurate, but it also doesn't have any large merchandise ploy. As popular as it is, there are no toys, action figures, and such, which are contained in several anime that 4kids have dubbed. It wouldn't be a smart marketing ploy, especially when there is no English version novel.
Also, KyoAni isn't even done with the series. Unlike pokemon, there are no pokemon. Unlike YuGiOh, there are no cards.
Now if I wanted Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu in English, I would prefer the novel or the recent manga being translated instead. Oh, I wouldn't want 4kids dubbing it either if you take the patterns of things that they already do (note: japanese text that can be seen). Then you got things like the poster with the Seiyuus, no site that associates with the airings, Nekomen confusion.
It's a nice anime, but do you see the weaknesses of trying to license it? There's no merchandise to sell! You wouldn't hve Hare Hare Yukai or Bouken Desho, Desho either so you don't have the music component which had good sales. And once again, no novels in English. There aren't many Suzumiya Haruhi items in Japan that are sold besides music and novels, meaning there's virtually nothing anywhere else.
As if the content put in English, even if it was translated well, you already would have to lose the opening and the ending. That pretty much kills the mood. What kind of opening and ending would they have!? -_-
And once again, it probably wouldn't really sell. Not to little kids for sure (Suzumiya Haruhi is a light novel for young teens I think. It wouldn't be rated G nor Y7 either.)
Too many flaws with the intent to license it. At least in 4kids' aspect it doesn't seem plausible at all.
Oh the horrors if imagining it in English. OP and ED would be dead already.
took words right out of my mouth! lol
To add one more thing: if it to be liscensed then Geneon would be the best choice.
Nathan Madien
Me on a Good Day
That Scary Clefairy said:
I agree with that. Animes that get a direct-to-DVD release (like Popotan, a Geneon license) tend to fair much better than those that end up on a Saturday morning television broadcast because they don't have to go through television censors or Americanization.
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corphish said:
I can only answer your question with another question:
Are you clinically insane?
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Actually, I believe S_P had much better points.
There is almost no profit to be made if this series were to be handled by a butcher shop like 4Kids. The only way I could see them even trying to market Haruhi is if they pulled a Nelvana and tried to change the show's entire makeup... then dropped it right in the middle of the "girls" programming they run on Fox.
There is almost no profit to be made if this series were to be handled by a butcher shop like 4Kids. The only way I could see them even trying to market Haruhi is if they pulled a Nelvana and tried to change the show's entire makeup... then dropped it right in the middle of the "girls" programming they run on Fox.
Nathan Madien
Me on a Good Day
Haruka's Swimsuit said:
Yes, and as we have seen from Cardcaptors, why bother dubbing the anime if you're just going to change the whole series.
Haruka's Swimsuit said:
Don't these "girls" programming usually include girls with magical power and such?
Haruhi might fit, Tsuruya might fit, but Asahina um .... Iono, the gender ratio is actually about 50/50.
However it would be pretty funny to change the entire makeup. I can't imagine it, at all.
Although it's ironic on how stupid the topic question was, it makes little stupid sense. 4kids does have lots of money, and TMoHS is indeed popular in Japan currently.
I mean, that happened with pokemon and yugioh, except those two things had large large merchandise ploys that come along with them.
And even though "Episode 1" can be translated, with at most the groping part edited or removed ... how the heck would episode zero work? Oh wait nevermind, that simply wouldn't be aired X_x
Geneon doing the translation does indeed sound good. If it was DVD only, the original OP and ED could simply be included, instead of some choppy american op and ed. Then have both a dub and the original with subtitles in different languages, whoo hoo!
That sounds better to me. As much as I like TMoHS, I probably wouldn't ever want to see it on american TV.
Oh, and I'm not even complaining about 4kids, but rather how they wouldn't gain anything from it, rather than the potential butchering possibility. But not only is it unsuitable to kids in american standards with the content, but it also wouldn't be appealing either. Again, no merchandise, but what would kids like about it? I mean like a seven year old kid. A teenager might be fine, but I don't see how a seven year old kid would bother with it.
You actually don't need to butcher that much in TMoHS. It's just not "for kids". It's for "young adults".
Though, licensing is not out of the question. Again, it has a lack of merchandise (again, both the novel and music that it sold like crazy are all in Japanese). The novel is possible to translate. The music could not be sold, however. Japanese songs only work in Japanese. Even singing it translated sounds horrible, despite oddly funny.
For that same reason, Geneon licensing it doesn't sound that bad. If 4kids did get it, it wouldn't work well (despite butchering, pokemon and yugioh did seem to sell well and get quite popular because you can focus on the pokemon/cards and the powers/action instead of actual dialogue content).
Oh, and Suzumiya Haruhi is not straightforward. You can get the gist in pokemon and sometimes in yugioh (real REAL basic idea ... but not really since the content has inaccuries) but Suzumiya Haruhi is best with all the details. There's a reason why the novel is so good.
But I still think 4kids would go for shounen, not seinen. 4kids provides anime with action and monsters.
Oh, and the thing that could throw us off instantly with 4kids is THE NAME OF THE CHARACTERS. There'd even be a chance the main character isn't even named Haruhi Suzumiya! O_O Of course, that would totally kill it, but we do know YuGiOh had name adjustments (though, somewhat understandable).
Anyhow, the potential butchering in the translation can be remedied from some uncut version if it was licensed in general. 4kids wouldn't want it due to lack of merchandise. You can make pokemon stuff, yugioh cards, but not Suzumiya Haruhi Light Novels (unless translated well, which is possible, but you still get problems with specifically Japanese text like an event, place, or something).
The light novels are great, but they could never generate the kind of revenue that pokemon merchandise or yugioh cards have in america. There's absolutely no way.
So please, if licensed, be it Geneon. I can live with that without problems. Though, I would want a second season before then. xP
I'd laugh so hard if it Nelvana did do a translation. At least you'd make music that sounds good for a surfing mood (well that's what it felt like for CCS, lol with that music they played). Sadly, that really doesn't sound out of the question (though Haruhi lacks cards, still).
You know, it wouldn't really fit on Adult Swim, either. Ahahaha.
Anyhow, it's as simple as "4kids wouldn't benefit from it".
Despite butchering of anime it's done, merchandising has worked, because it's introduced it in the first place. A lot of young kids supposedly wouldn't have seen the original beforehand, and thus there's nothing to compare to.
Lol, Asahina getting groped on TV could never be on WB. Groping probably couldn't even be put on Adult Swim ... well actually probably it could, but then the other 93%+ of the content in those same episodes don't seem required for a mature audience, either. The groping is supposed to be comedic, anyhow.
Lol, Nagato's language would make no sense to kids either. Ahahahaha!
Haruhi wouldn't be appealing to kids either. At least not in the fashion that pokemon and dueling cards do (yes I know 4kids dubbed more than that, but these two are too obvious). Absolutely no way could it be even classified in that sort of category of airing intention.
Yeah, the target audience is COMPLETELY different. Pokemon was like Y7, Yugioh was like PG13 (or Y7, iono). Haruhi would have to be guaranteed PG13, or TV14.
Shrug, Haruhi seems perfect for Japan, but not quite elsewhere (I think french didn't like it or something). Even if it was 98% accurate in translation, it probably still couldn't get that full feel.
Sorry, rambled too much. We all got the point already, though at least we all know the reasons why it shouldn't (or rather, wouldn't) license it.
It wouldn't even be in the best interest of 4kids themselves! LOL!
S_P said:
Either them, or else we might get another gem from ADV. And before you spew vicious hate at me for suggesting them, let me say that as far as comedies go, you can't really go wrong with ADV. They frankly know how to do it well, and if they are well enough aware of how popular the series is/can be here in the states, then they might go all out on it.
Regardless, I look forward to the eventual second season. Come on, something that popular cannot be ignored, and if Kyoto Animation strikes up the budget again, we have enough material from the novels to adapt for the anime.
Looks like a fun series; ADV or Funimation would be a good choice, ALOT moreso than 4Kids. Even 4Kids' voice-work for Yu-Gi-Oh Uncut and Shaman King Uncut was terrible. o_o;
Though if ADV got their hands on this show, it'd pretty much mean it won't be shown on Cartoon Network. Or any other normal channel. (Seeing as how Evangelion was the only thing they let Adult Swim air; and it was the poor quality version too) Just a thoght or two.
Though if ADV got their hands on this show, it'd pretty much mean it won't be shown on Cartoon Network. Or any other normal channel. (Seeing as how Evangelion was the only thing they let Adult Swim air; and it was the poor quality version too) Just a thoght or two.