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Should homeschooling be ILLEGAL?

ChronaMew

Demonic Warrior
It depends on the parents - If they just let their kid stay home and be lazy, hell no.

On the other hand - My best friend (Who lives in Cali) struggled throughout elementary school, so her parents took her out and homeschooled her. After a few years she applied to college - She just graduated college a few months ago at the age of 16.

It all depends on the circumstances
 
The parent should be tested for knowledge first.
Or should have a certain degree.
How would the parent having a degree help them to educate their kid? All teaching is is reading the information to your kid out of a book/having them read it and assigning them work, you don't need 4 years of college to do that.
 
Generally if you're going to teach something you should know how to do it. Most kids these days can't just have something read to them and then be expected to know it. Just take a look at a typical HS math class.

A parent who has no education in Calculus for example can't just teach their kid from a textbook. :/

As for homeschooling, yes, I believe you should have some sort of educational degree. It's too often that children fall behind. It shouldn't be outright banned, but regulations need to become stricter.
 
Generally if you're going to teach something you should know how to do it. Most kids these days can't just have something read to them and then be expected to know it. Just take a look at a typical HS math class.

A parent who has no education in Calculus for example can't just teach their kid from a textbook. :/

As for homeschooling, yes, I believe you should have some sort of educational degree. It's too often that children fall behind. It shouldn't be outright banned, but regulations need to become stricter.
There are books specifically designed to make it easier for homeschooling parents to teach. I have no problem homeschooling because my mom bought DVDs that I watch the lectures on.

Take a look at these graphs if you still doubt homeschooling gives a good education http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Homeschool_grades_chart.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Homeschool_academic_scores.jpg
 
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I don't think there is anything wrong with homeschooling, as long as you learn everything you need to learn thats in the curriculum
 

ImJessieTR

I WON'T kiss Ash...
All teaching is is reading the information to your kid out of a book/having them read it and assigning them work, you don't need 4 years of college to do that.
God, I wished it had been that easy when I taught fourth-graders that one year.

If I were your student, I'd say, "Um, I can READ myself. What are YOU there for?" To be more effective, a teacher should do more than just let the books do their work for them.
 

KingRaichu

Hail to da king baby
Choosing the path of education over a social life...as far as I know...isn't illegal. Being home-schooled often leads to loneliness because you lack peers...but that's not illegal. It's not illegal to be a social outcast, so why should it be illegal to be home-schooled. Your still getting the same education aren't you? If your tutor is good enough...
 
Choosing the path of education over a social life...as far as I know...isn't illegal. Being home-schooled often leads to loneliness because you lack peers...but that's not illegal. It's not illegal to be a social outcast, so why should it be illegal to be home-schooled. Your still getting the same education aren't you? If your tutor is good enough...
There are homeschool groups for socialization too. I have 19 real-life friends.
God, I wished it had been that easy when I taught fourth-graders that one year.

If I were your student, I'd say, "Um, I can READ myself. What are YOU there for?" To be more effective, a teacher should do more than just let the books do their work for them.
Then what does a teacher have to do that's so hard?
 

KingRaichu

Hail to da king baby
There are homeschool groups for socialization too. I have 19 real-life friends.
Then what does a teacher have to do that's so hard?

Interesting, i did not know that. Highly informative. However i still see no evidence of it being illegal...i mean its not like its harming you...especially if you retain a social life, and this has been proved by the facts the previous poster has handed out...so why should it be illegal?
 

Jhonny

Officially The Worst
I'm not sure what the laws are but as long as it is monitored it should be legal. Monitoring is an important issue because education is important, and obviously there are parents that may be inept at educating, or simply don't want to educate them. For this reason the student should take regular tests to keep an eye on their progress. If it seems that they aren't being given the right support, either because they have learning difficulties or because the parents aren't effective educaters, then the child should be taken to school fa sho'.
 

alakazam_1

Alakazam used WIN
I'm sorry, but the argument that the teacher doesn't need to understand the subjects is such absolute rubbish that I have to post. I have never been homeschooled, I'm going into S4 (Scotland) of secondary school after the holidays (for those to whom that means nothing, I'm 14 and I'll be sitting my first public exams), and it is so incredibly common in a lesson that someone won't understand something. I'm one of the top students in the classes I chose, and even I sometimes can't learn something just from reading the textbook, let alone the people in the class who aren't as good at the subject. Everyone has different learning methods which work for them, and in the majority of cases that I have seen, reading the textbook will be insufficient and they will have to ask the teacher questions about certain subjects. If at this stage the teacher's teaching qualifications are that they have the capability to read, a problem is reached. I agree that, if the teacher is qualified, homeschooling is fine, but this is so imperative that I had to comment. Surely others must agree that a school lesson where no one has to ask a question of the teacher or have a simpler or more in-depth explanation of what the textbook says is very rare?
 

stardust

I'm Mega Man!!!
THe person teaching it needs to have some type of knowledge of whatever they're teaching, unless basically, your just blurting out stuff you don't really know to your kid.

Home schooling isn't just parents teaching these days. They actually have online schools with teachers. The parents basically just have to know a few basic things about a computer. So yeah, if you go with a program like this the parents aren't required to know much.
 

Brettt

satirist
Yes, home schooling should be illegal, unless in very special circumstances such as a child's mental/social condition.

And I direct you to the post above mine for all of those who say that it depends on the parent, because my cousin who is home-schooled learns nothing from his mother, its entirely done via a virtual educational program.

Firstly, home-schooling lowers the social abilities of the children enrolled in its courses. When a child does not go to school and does not interact with children their age, their social development is hindered. I'm not saying home-schoold children have no social interaction, I'm just saying its obvious that they have much less (and in some cases, none at all) than the children who go to school and learn in a classroom surrounded by peers. There are numerous things that home-schooled children can do to achieve social interaction (Sports, camps, scouts) but on the whole, none of these activities compare to an actual school setting. This lack of social interaction affects the children's ability to make friends and relate to people later in life, eventually becoming a liability.

And the lack of social interaction isn't the only problem arising from not attending school. Its also about gaining perspective and learning via social interaction. In a classroom, there are about 30 kids, all who can provide input, and different perspectives on a certain topic. And this also is true of the teacher. When a child learns from a parent, who, lets say, have intensely strong right-winged views, the child won't question his parents, and won't have any other adult authority to input a different perspective for the child to consider. Of course, the child could have a coach or an uncle, but for most children, they hold their most intellectual and probing conversations with two adults they respect: Their teacher and their parent. If their parent is both, or if the child is taught via a program (Which mean they will still revert to their parents for such conversations) then the child is only exposed to one perspective, and no discussion is provided to help the child challenge these views and decide for themself what they personally believe. Its almost as if the children who are home-schooled have lost, not free will per se, but they are less exposed to different perspectives, whereas, in a school, a child is exposed to multiple ones. I learned this recently in my english/history class, where the class frequently held deep discussions, and we all learned from each other. The entire process of discussion in a classroom setting is a form of learning, rather than just a lecture from an online program or a one-sided parent. It broadens the horizon of the child, making them more aware, open-minded, and on the whole, more enlightened.

And learning via questioning is the final arguement I would like to address. Children, humans in fact, are inquisitive by nature, and when someone asks a question, and are either confirmed or corrected, they learn from it. When home-schooled, whether it be by a parent, private tutor, or program, their is always a larger margin for error. Parents and private tutors, even if they are qualified teachers, cannot address the inquiries of their students in every subject the child is learning, there will always be mistakes. And when learning via a home-schooling program, I personally don't believe children will retain things as well from asking a program or wikipedia their question. On the other hand, in a school, children ask questions to teachers who have all gone through 8 years of university in a specific field and they know how to answer the majority of questions. I'm not saying they'll know everything, but there will be much less of a chance of the child recieving a false answer/no answer at all.

So on the whole, unless the child is severely autistic or has some other social/mental condition, there should be no excuse for home-schooling.
 
I'm sorry, but the argument that the teacher doesn't need to understand the subjects is such absolute rubbish that I have to post. I have never been homeschooled, I'm going into S4 (Scotland) of secondary school after the holidays (for those to whom that means nothing, I'm 14 and I'll be sitting my first public exams), and it is so incredibly common in a lesson that someone won't understand something. I'm one of the top students in the classes I chose, and even I sometimes can't learn something just from reading the textbook, let alone the people in the class who aren't as good at the subject. Everyone has different learning methods which work for them, and in the majority of cases that I have seen, reading the textbook will be insufficient and they will have to ask the teacher questions about certain subjects. If at this stage the teacher's teaching qualifications are that they have the capability to read, a problem is reached. I agree that, if the teacher is qualified, homeschooling is fine, but this is so imperative that I had to comment. Surely others must agree that a school lesson where no one has to ask a question of the teacher or have a simpler or more in-depth explanation of what the textbook says is very rare?
I agree that I wouldn't be able to learn enough from a regular textbook, but there are textbooks designed for homeschoolers that have all of the questions kids generally ask already answered. Also, why should anyone be forced to have an education?

Firstly, home-schooling lowers the social abilities of the children enrolled in its courses. When a child does not go to school and does not interact with children their age, their social development is hindered. I'm not saying home-schoold children have no social interaction, I'm just saying its obvious that they have much less (and in some cases, none at all) than the children who go to school and learn in a classroom surrounded by peers. There are numerous things that home-schooled children can do to achieve social interaction (Sports, camps, scouts) but on the whole, none of these activities compare to an actual school setting. This lack of social interaction affects the children's ability to make friends and relate to people later in life, eventually becoming a liability.
There are homeschool groups kids can use to get socialization, I have almost 20 friends myself. Also, how is not having enough socialization isn't enough reason to illegelize it? Especially if the kid wants to homeschool.
 
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Zenotwapal

have a drink on me
I agree that I wouldn't be able to learn enough from a regular textbook, but there are textbooks designed for homeschoolers that have all of the questions kids generally ask already answered. Also, why should anyone be forced to have an education?

There are homeschool groups kids can use to get socialization, I have almost 20 friends myself. Also, how is not having enough socialization isn't enough reason to illegelize it? Especially if the kid wants to homeschool.

Discounting Friends on the internet, how many?

most kids in homeschooling can't interact with anybody.
It happens alot.
 
That number was discounting friends on the internet.
 

Brettt

satirist
There are homeschool groups kids can use to get socialization, I have almost 20 friends myself. Also, how is not having enough socialization isn't enough reason to illegelize it? Especially if the kid wants to homeschool.

I know there are groups that home-schoolers can socialize within, I'm saying they don't have the experience school gives them. And 20 friends isn't comparable to a regularly schooled child, who have exponentially more.

If that wasn't enough reason to "illegelize" it, then perhaps we should look at how home-schooled children spell illegalize (cheap shot).

Maybe the reason you "cant think of a name" is because you our home-schooled (Cheap shot, sorry).

But on the whole, I think that not enough socialization is plenty reason to ban it, but if you read my entire post, you'd know that that was not the only crux of my arguement. Its about a learning atmosphere.
 
I know there are groups that home-schoolers can socialize within, I'm saying they don't have the experience school gives them. And 20 friends isn't comparable to a regularly schooled child, who have exponentially more.
My cousin (who goes to a private school) has 30-something friends, not too many more than me.

Here's something I found on Wikipedia:
Wikipedia said:
In 2003, the National Home Education Research Institute conducted a survey of 7,300 U.S. adults who had been homeschooled (5,000 for more than seven years). Their findings included: * Homeschool graduates are active and involved in their communities. 71% participate in an ongoing community service activity, like coaching a sports team, volunteering at a school, or working with a church or neighborhood association, compared with 37% of U.S. adults of similar ages from a traditional education background. * Homeschool graduates are more involved in civic affairs and vote in much higher percentages than their peers. 76% of those surveyed between the ages of 18 and 24 voted within the last five years, compared with only 29% of the corresponding U.S. populace. The numbers are even greater in older age groups, with voting levels not falling below 95%, compared with a high of 53% for the corresponding U.S. populace. * 58.9% report that they are "very happy" with life, compared with 27.6% for the general U.S. population. 73.2% find life "exciting", compared with 47.3%.[71]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeschool

If that wasn't enough reason to "illegelize" it, then perhaps we should look at how home-schooled children spell illegalize (cheap shot).

That was a typo, and I saw 2 grammatical mistakes in your post, the first one is: "Maybe the reason you "cant think of a name" is because you our home-schooled (Cheap shot, sorry)." the second time you spelled argument like 'arguement'.

Maybe the reason you "cant think of a name" is because you our home-schooled (Cheap shot, sorry).

My name is totally unrelated to the validity of my argument (an ad hominem fallacy).

But on the whole, I think that not enough socialization is plenty reason to ban it, but if you read my entire post, you'd know that that was not the only crux of my arguement. Its about a learning atmosphere.

Who says a public school is a 'learning atmosphere'? I can guarantee public schoolers don't talk about algebra very much.

If you still think I'm stupid, my standardized test scores are always above the 90th percentile and my IQ is 139, just look at how well homeschoolers perform academically.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Homeschool_grades_chart.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Homeschool_academic_scores.jpg

And please, no more ad hominems.
 
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alakazam_1

Alakazam used WIN
I don't think he was implying that algebra is the topic of choice at lunchtime - class discussions were more the thing. Our History teacher, before retiring, would often have us discuss things, have debates, etc., same for English. In many classes, there are discussions very often and these are very helpful.
Your cousin may have 30 friends, but I would guess they have experience of socialising with more people in their year group - my year group has near 150 people in it.
 
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