Sinnoh Dex 3.0 Speculation Thread

[KalosChampion]

Are sure these games will have the updated dex from Platinum? I will be v disappointed if it ends up that there is like only one fire type, etc like the original Diamond and Pearl.

 

[Captain Jigglypuff]

Are sure these games will have the updated dex from Platinum? I will be v disappointed if it ends up that there is like only one fire type, etc like the original Diamond and Pearl.

I’m thinking that it’ll be Platinum’s Dex or something similar to it. GF has typically added all of the new evolutions and pre-evolutions for every remake since HGSS into the Dex for Pokémon found in that region with the exception of HGSS excluding the specific location evolutions. LGPE is a bit different as it was more of a remake with a completely different story and events than RBY/FRLG. Each remake other than FRLG has elements from their respective third version incorporated into their remakes.

 

[RileyXY1]

I’m thinking that it’ll be Platinum’s Dex or something similar to it. GF has typically added all of the new evolutions and pre-evolutions for every remake since HGSS into the Dex for Pokémon found in that region with the exception of HGSS excluding the specific location evolutions. LGPE is a bit different as it was more of a remake with a completely different story and events than RBY/FRLG. Each remake other than FRLG has elements from their respective third version incorporated into their remakes.

The Shaymin woman in Floaroma Town was spotted, but it's possible that they put her in just so that Shaymin's Sky Forme is obtainable.

 

[Pokemon Power]

Are sure these games will have the updated dex from Platinum? I will be v disappointed if it ends up that there is like only one fire type, etc like the original Diamond and Pearl.

The Porygon family's in it, so it's possible.

 

[OshyHikari]

Are sure these games will have the updated dex from Platinum? I will be v disappointed if it ends up that there is like only one fire type, etc like the original Diamond and Pearl.

I think the chances of using the Platinum Dex are likely, given Porygon-Z is in the trailer. It would also allow for better distribution of types, especially considering we don't want to be effectively forced to use Chimchar as our starter just to have a Fire-type on the team.

 

[Bus]

I think the chances of using the Platinum Dex are likely, given Porygon-Z is in the trailer. It would also allow for better distribution of types, especially considering we don't want to be effectively forced to use Chimchar as our starter just to have a Fire-type on the team.

Same here. it's pretty much the same thing everyone has said so far; the original was far too lacking in Fire pokemon. My bet would be a situation similar to Alpha & Omega remakes. Its the Platinum dex up until a certain point, then some kind of story reason opens it up even further with some newer pokemon from unova through Galar in certain areas.

 

[Captain Jigglypuff]

Same here. it's pretty much the same thing everyone has said so far; the original was far too lacking in Fire pokemon. My bet would be a situation similar to Alpha & Omega remakes. Its the Platinum dex up until a certain point, then some kind of story reason opens it up even further with some newer pokemon from unova through Galar in certain areas.

Newer Pokémon I think would fit in Sinnoh are the Alola form of Raichu, Galar forms of Mr Mime plus Mr Rime, Mimikyu, Litwick line (Litwick being common inside the Old Chateau), Sylveon of course, Vanillite line, Chinchou line (given Lumineon’s Dex entry about Lanturn being its rival), Ditto, and the first three Regis.

 

[OshyHikari]

Same here. it's pretty much the same thing everyone has said so far; the original was far too lacking in Fire pokemon. My bet would be a situation similar to Alpha & Omega remakes. Its the Platinum dex up until a certain point, then some kind of story reason opens it up even further with some newer pokemon from unova through Galar in certain areas.

Not just Fire, but Ice and Electric-types as well. I remember watching a video by MandJTV highlighting the problems with Sinnoh, and how he pointed out Weavile and Abomasnow being the only fully-evolved Ice-types in D/P, and Electric only having Luxray, Raichu and Pachirisu. I think the reason Fire is mentioned so much is due to the prevalence of the Bronzor line, where most of the ones used by NPCs have Levitate, meaning you had to use a Fire-type.

 

[Tuoko]

I'm thinking it'd be its own unique Dex instead of DP or Platinum's, basically what a proper Sinnoh Dex should've been in the first place

- All of DP's 151
(Platinum additions)
- Lickitung line, Eevee line, Magnemite line, Tangela line, Rhyhorn line
- Gligar line, Yanma line, Elekid/Magby lines, Swinub line
- Nosepass line, Ralts line, Duskull line, Snorunt line
- Rotom, Giratina
(Potential new additions)
- Sylveon + Mr Rime
- Heatran, Regigigas, Cresselia, Phione, Darkrai, Shaymin, Arceus

That'd be 57 additions to the 151, resulting in 208, which is 2 off of the Platinum Dex

As for the other 5 lines from Platinum, I think they'll be put into PokeRadar/start appearing after the Dialga/Palkia crisis or put into post-game. A PokeRadar Dex (focusing on PokeRadar-exclusives) + Battle Zone Dex could also work too

 

[Orphalesion]

I just read that in Platinum you get an Egg with Togepi during the storyline. I hope that's also true for these remakes, because I'd love to use Togekiss as my fairy type.

 

[Bolt the Cat]

Not just Fire, but Ice and Electric-types as well. I remember watching a video by MandJTV highlighting the problems with Sinnoh, and how he pointed out Weavile and Abomasnow being the only fully-evolved Ice-types in D/P, and Electric only having Luxray, Raichu and Pachirisu. I think the reason Fire is mentioned so much is due to the prevalence of the Bronzor line, where most of the ones used by NPCs have Levitate, meaning you had to use a Fire-type.

No, the reason Fire is highlighted is because Fire is the most extreme case. Your only options for Fire types are Infernape, which is a starter, and Rapidash, which isn't exactly a fan favorite. Also because they decided to make an Elite 4 member Fire type when Fire had those issues and crammed non-Fire types Lopunny, Drifblim, and Steelix.

Actually, Dragon is pretty bad too, even with Platinum's expansion because the only ones you have access to are Garchomp and Altaria. But Dragon flew under the radar because:

1. There was no Dragon type specialist in the game to make it obvious that there was a shortage (this is a large part of what causes those complaints, they include a gym leader or Elite 4 member of a type that doesn't have a lot of options, and they have to pad out the roster with duplicates or Pokemon not of their type to give them a full team)
2. There were very few Dragon types at the time to the point where it wasn't really reasonable to have multiple Dragons and most of them were pseudos or legendaries.
3. Dragon was OP at the time so they really didn't need to flood the game with 5 or 6 Dragons.

I'm thinking it'd be its own unique Dex instead of DP or Platinum's, basically what a proper Sinnoh Dex should've been in the first place

- All of DP's 151
(Platinum additions)
- Lickitung line, Eevee line, Magnemite line, Tangela line, Rhyhorn line
- Gligar line, Yanma line, Elekid/Magby lines, Swinub line
- Nosepass line, Ralts line, Duskull line, Snorunt line
- Rotom, Giratina
(Potential new additions)
- Sylveon + Mr Rime
- Heatran, Regigigas, Cresselia, Phione, Darkrai, Shaymin, Arceus

That'd be 57 additions to the 151, resulting in 208, which is 2 off of the Platinum Dex

As for the other 5 lines from Platinum, I think they'll be put into PokeRadar/start appearing after the Dialga/Palkia crisis or put into post-game. A PokeRadar Dex (focusing on PokeRadar-exclusives) + Battle Zone Dex could also work too

The problem is that some of the random lines they added help with the balance issues. The Houndour line and Swablu line definitely should be kept because Fire and Dragon are both lacking.

 

[J. D. Guy]

Not just Fire, but Ice and Electric-types as well. I remember watching a video by MandJTV highlighting the problems with Sinnoh, and how he pointed out Weavile and Abomasnow being the only fully-evolved Ice-types in D/P, and Electric only having Luxray, Raichu and Pachirisu. I think the reason Fire is mentioned so much is due to the prevalence of the Bronzor line, where most of the ones used by NPCs have Levitate, meaning you had to use a Fire-type.

For me, Fire became a noticeable commodity due to its absence in a cognitive way thanks to Flint. Not even Candice and Volkner's teams having non-Ice/Electric Pokemon was enough to make me notice their Types' lack of depth, by comparison.

Your only options for Fire types are Infernape, which is a starter, and Rapidash, which isn't exactly a fan favorite

Ironically enough, for me, Pearl helped me to love and appreciate Rapidash, where beforehand I couldn't be bothered to give such a late-appearing and late-evolving Pokemon the time of day.

 

[OshyHikari]

No, the reason Fire is highlighted is because Fire is the most extreme case. Your only options for Fire types are Infernape, which is a starter, and Rapidash, which isn't exactly a fan favorite. Also because they decided to make an Elite 4 member Fire type when Fire had those issues and crammed non-Fire types Lopunny, Drifblim, and Steelix.

Actually, Dragon is pretty bad too, even with Platinum's expansion because the only ones you have access to are Garchomp and Altaria. But Dragon flew under the radar because:

1. There was no Dragon type specialist in the game to make it obvious that there was a shortage (this is a large part of what causes those complaints, they include a gym leader or Elite 4 member of a type that doesn't have a lot of options, and they have to pad out the roster with duplicates or Pokemon not of their type to give them a full team)
2. There were very few Dragon types at the time to the point where it wasn't really reasonable to have multiple Dragons and most of them were pseudos or legendaries.
3. Dragon was OP at the time so they really didn't need to flood the game with 5 or 6 Dragons.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't solely due to Flint that the Fire-type shortage wasn't brought up a lot. There's a lot of notable bosses in the game that use Pokemon weak to Fire, such as the Bronzor line that Galactic Admins use, and due to Levitate they were only weak to Fire. Flint is definitely still the most prominent reason, as you said.

I also remember Garchomp being the only fully-evolved non-Legendary Dragon-type in the D/P Dex, and that Altaria was added in Platinum. But as you said, Sinnoh being the only region to lack a dedicated Dragon specialist was probably why that issue flew under the radar, as Garchomp was heavily affiliated with Cynthia, still to this day.

 

[RileyXY1]

Thanks to Dexit, I think that they might have to add the Jigglypuff, Torchic, Shroomish, and Skitty lines to the dex, as these four Pokemon are the only Pokemon allowed in Amity Square that aren't in the Sinnoh Dex, unless they either completely cut out Amity Square to redesign it as something else. In the original games it's only purpose was to test out the following Pokemon feature to make sure it worked properly in HGSS.

 

[OshyHikari]

Thanks to Dexit, I think that they might have to add the Jigglypuff, Torchic, Shroomish, and Skitty lines to the dex, as these four Pokemon are the only Pokemon allowed in Amity Square that aren't in the Sinnoh Dex, unless they either completely cut out Amity Square to redesign it as something else. In the original games it's only purpose was to test out the following Pokemon feature to make sure it worked properly in HGSS.

I often forgot about Amity Square. I do wonder how they'll implement it in this version, and if we will have some Pokemon added to the game's data that will be transfer-only, kinda like how the Kanto and Alola starters and some legendaries were originally in Sw/Sh before HOME released.

 

[Pokemon Power]

I often forgot about Amity Square. I do wonder how they'll implement it in this version, and if we will have some Pokemon added to the game's data that will be transfer-only, kinda like how the Kanto and Alola starters and some legendaries were originally in Sw/Sh before HOME released.

Yeah, but they eventually made those Pokemon available within Sword and Shield through the Expansion Pass. Players can now get either Bulbasaur or Squirtle, as well as one of the Alola starters in the Isle of Armor, and the legendaries that were in the data at launch can be found in the Crown Tundra.

 

[RileyXY1]

Yeah, but they eventually made those Pokemon available within Sword and Shield through the Expansion Pass. Players can now get either Bulbasaur or Squirtle, as well as one of the Alola starters in the Isle of Armor, and the legendaries that were in the data at launch can be found in the Crown Tundra.

But because of Legends Arceus I don't expect BDSP to have DLC.

 

[OshyHikari]

Yeah, but they eventually made those Pokemon available within Sword and Shield through the Expansion Pass. Players can now get either Bulbasaur or Squirtle, as well as one of the Alola starters in the Isle of Armor, and the legendaries that were in the data at launch can be found in the Crown Tundra.

As Riley pointed out, there likely won't be DLC for BD/SP.

 

[Pokemon Power]

As Riley pointed out, there likely won't be DLC for BD/SP.

Yeah, I figured as such.

 

[PrinceOfFacade]

But because of Legends Arceus I don't expect BDSP to have DLC.

As Riley pointed out, there likely won't be DLC for BD/SP.

But we just don't know this.


In addition, we cannot use the development of a project from one developer to decide the fate of a project from a completely different developer. Junichi Masuda may be co-directing BDSP, but Game Freak still has no involvement and will not be impacted by it, nor vice versa.

Pokkén Tournament was perfectly capable of having DLC even though no Game Freak-led title at the time did. Why? Because a different developer was making those decisions. In fact, Game Freak working on Legends instead of BDSP should thus increase the chances of the remakes receiving DLC, given Game Freak doesn't have to deal with the time constraints of its development.

Ultimately, whether or not the remakes receive DLC depends on whether or not Masuda and Yuichi Ueda want DLC for the game, and if they so decide to go through with the expansion, Game Freak will have nothing to do with it.

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On that note, I doubt any possible DLC for BDSP will include additional pokemon. They seem really intent on keeping the games relatively faithful to the original titles. I think if anything, we'll get the Battle Frontier, and/or a Mythical-related expansion.