Siren Song of the Counter Culture

[SkyDriver]

Counterteam

Click here to enjoy the album by Rise Against.

Hello people of Serebii forums,
Welcome to my new RMT. When I ran out of inspiration, this album by Rise Against gave me the idea for a new team: a counterteam. So I started with the following threatlist to create my team.

Spoiler: Threatlist

Rain
Sand
Sun
Terrakion
Latios
Salamence
Dragonite
Landorus(-T)
Thundurus-T
Tornadus(-T)
Scizor

I might have forgotten some threats, but those are the most common. Now, I will introduce to you:
--Edits will be in Bold--

Virizion @ Leftovers
Timid nature
Justified
4 Hp/252 SpA/252 Spe
-Calm Mind
-Giga Drain
-Focus Blast
-Hidden Power [Ice]

Virizion counters rain and sand very well. Calm Mind boosts its SpA and SpD, so it can easily withstand Politoed Ice Beam, TTar Fire Blast and Latios Psychic/Draco Meteor. Giga Drain is STAB and recovery, that easily kills Water, Ground and Rock types, commonly used in sand and rain team. Focus Blast is, although unreliable, secondary STAB, that heavily damages TTar and Steel types. Hidden Power [Ice] is coverage, hitting Flying and Grass types hard.

Carracosta @ Lum Berry
Jolly nature
Sturdy
4 Hp/252 Atk/252 Spe
-Shell Smash
-Waterfall
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake/Aqua Jet

Carracosta is also a sand counter, but he can set up faster due to a better boosting move than Scrafty had, and resists Fire and Ice type attacks my team is weak to. Due to Sturdy, it can switch in, when another member was killed, on Volcarona, and OHKO with Stone Edge. Same goes for Gyarados. According to the threats NoteLobo made me aware off, Carracosta is the perfect pokemon to replace Scrafty.

Shell Smash is obviously turning the stone turtle into a fearsome sweeper, with Waterfall and Stone Edge as STAB moves, and Earthquake for EdgeQuake coverage. I might use Aqua Jet > EQ, simply because it can hardly ever set up 2 SS's, and after one it's still pretty slow. Please tell me what you think.

Mamoswine @ Choice Band
Jolly nature
Thick Fat
4 Hp/252 Atk/252 Spe
-Ice Shard
-Icicle Spear
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge

Mamoswine is Dragon revenge killer, as well as for the Therian and stuff like that. Ice Shard is therefore the much needed priority move, and Icicle Crash is STAB that breaks subs and Multiscale. Stone Edge and EQ give me EdgeQuake coverage, combined with Ice type moves, making his attacks unresisted. Thick Fat is used to weaken Fire and Ice attacks. Choice Band makes it's Ice Shard even stronger, for better revenge killing on Dragons, but also on other types.

Latias @ Leftovers
Timid nature
Levitate
252 Hp/4 SpA/252 Spe
-Calm Mind
-Dragon Pulse
-Recover
-Psycho Shift

Latias is my sun counter, resisting both Fire and Grass attacks. Calm Mind is to boost SpA and SpD, making her a special wall and attacker, and because of her good speed, she can sometimes sweep. Dragon Pulse is her STAB attack, resisted by Steels only. Recover is to easen the set up. Psycho Shift screws walls who poison me.

Zapdos @ Leftovers
Timid nature
Pressure
4 Def/252 SpA/252 Spe
-Substitute
-Roost
-Thunderbolt
-Heat Wave

Zapdos counters Scizor. Hard. Scizor can't really deal damage to it. Heat Wave kills it in 1-2 hits, outside of rain. Thunderbolt is STAB and Roost heals it, while Sub protects me from damage and guarantees a safe roost.

Sableye @ Leftovers
Calm nature
Prankster
252 Hp/4 Def/252 SpD
-Taunt
-Will-o'-the-Wisp
-Night Shade
-Recover

Basic annoyer set. Taunt to not get taunted and shut down walls and supporters. Night Shade to deal damage. WoW burns physical attackers, because of that it has max SpD. Recover is to live another day. He is a great switch in for normal and fighting moves, and completely stops most Reuniclus, with Psychic and Focus Blast.

That's the team. I hope you liked it. Thanks for reading. Please rate and comment

 

[SkyDriver]

Does no one have anything to say? Not even that they like it or not? Really looking to maje this team as solid as possible, so only skill is needed to win battles.

 

[Skarm™]

i see you like rise against? me too. if zapdos dies, you have a huge gaping hole for Tornadus-T to sweep, as it's so fast. you might wanna put a special scarf counter for it of something

 

[John Wallrein]

i see you like rise against? me too. if zapdos dies, you have a huge gaping hole for Tornadus-T to sweep, as it's so fast. you might wanna put a special scarf counter for it of something

Mamoswine revenges Tornadus-T, so there would be no need to put a scarf'd mon to revenge Tornadus-T. I'll check out the team in depth and see what I can come up with, if anything, to help improve.
Dont trust anything I say. Not the most reliable revenge, must be weakened some, though Tornadus can't switch into Mamo.

For one thing, you could place SR over Stone Edge on Mamo. Mamo can cause many switches and find many opportunites to get SR up. SR would also help in your beating down of Dragonite and Therian Formes.

 

[Skarm™]

Mamoswine revenges Tornadus-T, so there would be no need to put a scarf'd mon to revenge Tornadus-T. I'll check out the team in depth and see what I can come up with, if anything, to help improve.

sorry, let me rephrase that: MY tornadus-t will be a huge threat

 

[NoteLobo]

Have you tested this team yet? If not I can do it for you on PO and then get back to you on issues.

Edit: Testing it anyways. I'll get back to you.

 

[SkyDriver]

i see you like rise against? me too. if zapdos dies, you have a huge gaping hole for Tornadus-T to sweep, as it's so fast. you might wanna put a special scarf counter for it of something

I think Mamo is strong enough to take a Focus Blast and hit back hard with Icicle Spear, or when weakened, Ice Shard kills it.

For one thing, you could place SR over Stone Edge on Mamo. Mamo can cause many switches and find many opportunites to get SR up. SR would also help in your beating down of Dragonite and Therian Formes.

I'll give it a try. I'll lose some coverage, but SR are very important for breaking sashes.

Have you tested this team yet? If not I can do it for you on PO and then get back to you on issues.

I already tested this team in like 20 battles, losing 6 of them, 2x because of mistakes xD Thanks for the offer, It'd be great if you wanna test it too

Thanks for the feedback everyone c: I'll test your suggestions and update the OP when I get on PC

 

[pokemonjoe30]

Nice team! I would consider a trick+ iron ball/choice scarf set on sableye. Other than that, looks nice!

 

[NoteLobo]

First of all change Scrafty from Shed Skin to Moxie, Mamo's item from leftovers to Expert Belt so you can snag the OHKO on Dragonite with Icicle Spear with 2 hits, Never mind about the latias thing that would make it Ubers.

Results: You are really really really Fire and Ice weak. Virizion and Mamo can't stand up to fire type moves very well, even with thick fat. And Virizion, Zapdos, and Latias are all weak to Ice type moves. Another thing is that a good Mamoswine or a good Volcarona can sweep your team easily because you have no good counters for either, ok maybe scrafty can take on Mamo but other then that. Your only rock type move is on Mamo who gets just wrecked when he tries to switch in on Volcarona, and other then that you have no good counter for it, lacking any flying type moves (Not that you need those what you need is more rock type moves) Also you are very Gayados weak on this team, any Gayados carrying Ice Fang, Waterfall, and Bounce (Doesn't really need bounce it can rip through everyone anyways) and you have no good switch ins on it so you have to let it KO something to try and counter and then it gains a +1 boost from Moxie that you just can't afford. To try and solve some of these problems I would suggest you subbing out either Scrafty or Sableye for a hard hitting Stone Edge user, perhaps Terrakion.

 

[SkyDriver]

First of all change Scrafty from Shed Skin to Moxie

The reason of Shed Skin is to set up on Jellicent and the like, ignoring their burns.

Mamo's item from leftovers to Expert Belt so you can snag the OHKO on Dragonite with Icicle Spear with 2 hits, Never mind about the latias thing that would make it Ubers.

I'll change Mamo's item, thank you c:

Even though Soul Dew is uber, how and when was it released? I'd like to have it in-game

I won't use ScarfTrick on Sableye, simply because I can't switch any of its moves, but thank you for the suggestion

 

[NoteLobo]

Its a Black and White 2 item. Read the edit above.

 

[SkyDriver]

Thanks for testing, NoteLobo c: Before Volcarona sets up, Mamo can outrun some of them and OHKO with SE. I'll go see what I should change to block the threats, thank you very much for testing C:

 

[hallstromjr]

Rise Against..Anywhere But Here..Swing Life Away..Blood to Bleed..favorite band.

Have you tried banding Mamoswine? It's a thought because it'll hit Dragons harder and is able to OHKO Salamence with 0 defence investment with Ice Shard as it does 142.6%-168%. It'll still do a crap ton of damage on Dragonite as well, even with Multiscale. It's just a thought

 

[SkyDriver]

Rise Against..Anywhere But Here..Swing Life Away..Blood to Bleed..favorite band.

Have you tried banding Mamoswine? It's a thought because it'll hit Dragons harder and is able to OHKO Salamence with 0 defence investment with Ice Shard as it does 142.6%-168%. It'll still do a crap ton of damage on Dragonite as well, even with Multiscale. It's just a thought

I'll try it too, besides SR > SE and Expert Belt and see whats best. Thanks for the suggestion c:

 

[SkyDriver]

Updated OP, please give feedback

 

[SkyDriver]

Doesn't anyone have comments on the change from Scrafty to Carracosta and the CB on Mamoswine?

 

[SkyDriver]

Final bump before retiring this team. Everyone who helped me, thank you very much c: