Smight The Ubers!!

[Poshie]

Who here believes UBers are
pointless and unfair?

 

[Kiyohime]

Unfair only to people using regular Pokemon. Otherwise, ubers against ubers are as fair as UU against UU or OU against OU or even NU against NU. --;

 

[Poshie]

yeah i guess......but still...if pokemon were truly like they were supposed to be in the in realm life as they are in the game...whats the chance of catching a Mewtwo or a deoxys?

 

[Ridley-X4]

Yeah, they may be cheap, but hey, I bet I could sweep your team with one of them. I am a proud user of Wobbuffet and Latios, and they've saved my a** so many times now. They ROCK. People use ubers. They WON'T stop.
Now Mewtwo, Rayquaza, Ho-oh and Lugia, now THAT'S cheap fer ya.

 

[Meganium Ex]

You may not like the Ubers, but they are fair. If not, the game makers wouldn't put them in the game. But in MY opinion, they are not completly unfair, maybe just a little though. And they are forbitted in some battles, so I guess it's alright. And that's my scenerio.

 

[Poke Freak]

It really depends. If you use one and only one uber, then that's ok, one really isn't that bad. Two is ok I guess but I personally would say no, three or more is just cheap, and if you use a team of six ubers than well, yah, that's just beyond cheap.

 

[Neo]

I almost NEVER use legendaries, and in the game (Emerald and NB) the only Uber i've even considered using was Wobbuffet, cos I think that it isn't a proper Uber like Rayquaza, Kyogre, etc.

 

[Poke Freak]

I almost NEVER use legendaries, and in the game (Emerald and NB) the only Uber i've even considered using was Wobbuffet, cos I think that it isn't a proper Uber like Rayquaza, Kyogre, etc.

Wobbuffet is considered by many, including me, more cheap than Rayquaza, Kyogre, ect.

 

[Meganium Ex]

I almost NEVER use legendaries, and in the game (Emerald and NB) the only Uber i've even considered using was Wobbuffet, cos I think that it isn't a proper Uber like Rayquaza, Kyogre, etc.

Wobby's an Uber? I never knew.

 

[Poke Freak]

Wobby's an Uber? I never knew.

Yes. When computer players use it generally no, they have little artificial inteligance and as a result they don't use it to it's max potential. But when a human player uses it and the Wobby has the attacks Encore, Counter, Mirror Coat, and Destiny Bond, and knows how to use it you bet it's uber.

 

[Meganium Ex]

Yes. When computer players use it generally no, they have little artificial inteligance and as a result they don't use it to it's max potential. But when a human player uses it and the Wobby has the attacks Encore, Counter, Mirror Coat, and Destiny Bond, and knows how to use it you bet it's uber.

Oh, thanks for telling me.

 

[2kool4skool]

Ubers are fair in every way. Whether or not they are fun to use is up to you.

 

[gregjammer]

In link battles, ubers are pointless and unfair because they're above everybody else(and thus they are more likely to cause the threat of an unequal fight, or a fight in which one side doesn't even stand a chance against its opponent), unless the battle rules state otherwise/the other trainer uses one, and you use one as well... Remember this list, courtesy of smogon.com, and you'll find out that because ubers are above every other pokemon, you shouldn't use them in regular battles, unless either some battle rule states otherwise, or your opponent uses an uber, breaking the "Uber Clause" in the process. When that happens, however, you have 2 choices: Switch in an Uber just for the sole purpose of putting up an equal fight w/ your opponent's uber as if the clause doesn't really exist, or you can make the wrong, more offending move, which I don't want to mention here... Anyway, here's the list:

TIER 1: UBER
Deoxys
Deoxys-fr
Deoxys-lg
Deoxys-e
Groudon
Ho-oh
Kyogre
Latias
Latios
Lugia
Mew
Mewtwo
Rayquaza
Wobbuffet

TIER 2: STAPLE
Blissey
Celebi
Gyarados
Heracross
Jirachi
Metagross
Salamence
Skarmory
Snorlax
Suicune
Swampert
Tyranitar

TIER 3: STANDARD
Aerodactyl
Alakazam
Donphan
Dragonite
Dugtrio
Dusclops
Gengar
Jolteon
Magneton
Medicham
Milotic
Raikou
Sceptile
Slaking
Starmie
Vaporeon
Weezing
Zapdos

TIER 4: COMMON
Armaldo
Blaziken
Breloom
Claydol
Dodrio
Entei
Exeggutor
Flygon
Gardevoir
Hariyama
Machamp
Marowak
Miltank
Ninjask
Porygon2
Regice
Regirock
Slowbro
Tauros
Umbreon
Venusaur

TIER 5: BORDERLINE UNDERUSED
Altaria
Arcanine
Articuno
Blastoise
Charizard
Clefable
Cloyster
Cradily
Crobat
Electabuzz
Espeon
Forretress
Golem
Hitmonlee
Houndoom
Jumpluff
Kangaskhan
Kingdra
Lanturn
Lapras
Ludicolo
Muk
Moltres
Mr. Mime
Poliwrath
Quagsire
Registeel
Rhydon
Smeargle
Steelix
Swellow
Ursaring
Zangoose

TIER 6: GOOD UNDERUSED
Absol
Ampharos
Azumarill
Banette
Cacturne
Camerupt
Fearow
Gligar
Golduck
Gorebyss
Grumpig
Hitmontop
Huntail
Jynx
Linoone
Lunatone
Magmar
Meganium
Nidoking
Nidoqueen
Omastar
Piloswine
Pinsir
Primeape
Sandslash
Shedinja
Shiftry
Solrock
Tentacruel
Typhlosion
Victreebel
Vileplume
Walrein
Yanma

TIER 7: AVERAGE UNDERUSED
Aggron
Ariados
Bellossom
Dunsparce
Exploud
Feraligatr
Flareon
Girafarig
Granbull
Hitmonchan
Hypno
Kabutops
Kecleon
Misdreavus
Octillery
Persian
Raichu
Scizor
Scyther
Slowking
Swalot
Tangela
Xatu

TIER 8: POOR UNDERUSED
Arbok
Dewgong
Electrode
Glalie
Kingler
Manectric
Mantine
Ninetales
Noctowl
Parasect
Pidgeot
Politoed
Qwilfish
Rapidash
Raticate
Seviper
Stantler
Sudowoodo
Torkoal
Whiscash
Wigglytuff

TIER 9: BARELY USABLE
Crawdaunt
Farfetch'd
Furret
Lickitung
Nosepass
Relicanth
Seaking
Sableye
Sharpedo
Shuckle
Sneasel
Sunflora
Tropius
Venomoth
Wailord

TIER 10: CRAP
Aipom
Beautifly
Beedrill
Butterfree
Castform
Chimecho
Corsola
Delcatty
Delibird
Dustox
Illumise
Ledian
Magcargo
Masquerain
Mawile
Mightyena
Minun
Murkrow
Pelipper
Plusle
Roselia
Spinda
Togetic
Volbeat

TIER 11: UNDESERVING OF MENTION
Ditto
Luvdisc
Unown

According to the list above, you can send out a Kyogre against a Metagross w/o the worry of an unequal fight, but you cannot send your Kyogre out against a Skarmory or under and expect to see an equal fight when you're really seeing an unequal fight by sending him out... The same deal goes for the Bottom-of-BL-UU pokemon vs. Top-of-BL-UU-Staple/Common/G-UU/A-UU/P-UU/BU/C***, the Bottom-of-Any-tier-Below-BL-UU vs. Staple/Common/Top-of-Any-Tier-Below-BL-UU, etc.

 

[Escheria]

hahah! Now that's a funny way to classificate pokemon.
I think übers are as fair as the normal pokemon, so what if they are a little stronger. Even though if you use one this shows your lazyness because you don't want to spend time training normal pokemon. Well trained pokemon is more worth than every über.

 

[biggestpokenoob]

Hi guys,
I'm a big noob, actually the biggest poke noob, and I don't know exactly what an UBER or an UU, OU, or NU is. What is it exactly? I'm kind of getting the idea that they're just super strong pokemon. Is that right?

Thanks,
biggestpokenoob

 

[TRJessie579]

Posted this in your thread, but here's a GameFAQs page that explains all of the commonly used terms:

http://db.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbadvance/file/pokemon_frlg_moves.txt

You'll have to copy/paste the shortcut.

However, this entire THREAD explains what ubers are...read it instead of just posting.

 

[Flying Tropius]

hahah! Now that's a funny way to classificate pokemon.
I think übers are as fair as the normal pokemon, so what if they are a little stronger. Even though if you use one this shows your lazyness because you don't want to spend time training normal pokemon. Well trained pokemon is more worth than every über.

I agree. Although Ubers are nice and fun to mess the E4 with and up my pokemon with exp.shr. but then again you can't breed your way to perfection

 

[MiloticMistress]

Ubers are fair, if you say "ubers suck" it's what I call Pokémon Discrimination.
It's like human discrimination, except in Pokémon form.

So they should be allowed. Who cares if it's "stupid" or n00bish". I am with the ubers. COMPLETELY!

My fav's compared to that list:
Suicune: Staple. Good.
Milotic: Standard. Thank you.
Raichu: AVERAGE UNDERUSED?! AVERAGE UNDERUSED?! HOW DARE YOU INSULT ONE OF MY FAVORITE POKEMON!!

And Magikarp deserves to be in Tier 11 : Undeserving of Mention. Really. Just put it there. It's pathetic and c***.

Also, remove Pelipper from "CRAP". It's the only thing that Blaziken has a double weakness to. Also equip it with Ice Beam it's very good. So remove it from there please.

 

[leafgreen386]

not one of these threads again... *moan*

OK. Can anyone here who does not understand why Ubers are banned just SHUT UP?

Ubers are disallowed from normal play by most competitive battlers for a reason. They have insanely high base stat totals, with the movepools, typing, and abilities to back them up. Uber vs. Uber is considered fair because both players are using the same superstrong pokemon.

Wobbuffet is the only Uber with a low base stat total (490), but its placement of base stats, trait, and its small but ingenious movepool are what make it Uber. Plus, if two Wobbuffet switch in on the same turn, and both are holding Leftovers (which is likely), the battle will never end because they'll recover more from Leftovers than Struggle will deal. If that's not enough reason to ban it from any form of play I don't know what is.

For those of you who think they are fair against normal pokemon because they are in the game, consider this: Pokemon is an unbalanced game. We humans have to implement rules to keep it balanced. These include Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, Hax clause (no hax items or purely hax moves ie. Quick Claw/Horn Drill), and yes, the Uber clause. Unless both players can use Ubers, it becomes an extremely one sided fight.

There is a whole other metagame for Ubers, just as there is one for OU, where OU pokemon and anything below them are allowed. But then, there's one for UU as well, because most of them get overpowered by the OU pokemon. In UU play, both OUs and Ubers are banned. As you can see, this forms a sort of heirarchy, and so the tier listings comes in to play.

There are only a handful of non-Uber pokemon who can stand up to Ubers, which include Ninjask (sets up Subs, Sword Dances when given the chance, and once it's activated its Liechi berry, can BP off to a Groudon for an easy sweep - can also BP to other physical attackers or even a special attacker like Kyorge if need be, as additonal speed is never a bad thing, just watch for Lugia switch ins, as if they Whirlwind you away your pass is ruined), Shedinja (because there are many pokemon who's standards can't even touch it unless they are carrying HPark ie. Kyorge, Lati@s, CMMewtwo, CMMew - note: Mew and Mewtwo can both be very diverse, so there's no guarantee you're fighting a CM Mew/two until you see them use the move), Blissey (it also does a good job of walling the special attackers in the Uber metagame with a CMing set, and T-Wave can really mess up some Ubers such as Deoxys-F which rely on their Speed to win), Metagross (typically carries Pursuit for Deoxys-F and Shedinja, which can both really screw you up if you mispredict against the Deoxys-F or you don't want to take up a slot for HPark on your CMer - Meteor Mash can put a good dent in some Ubers, and Explosion always hurts), Jirachi (can switch in on Deoxys-F's Extremespeeds, CM, set up a Sub and sweep basically), Tyranitar (it can actually DD in Uber w/o getting killed), Exeggutor (this plus Drought equals pwnage, just be sure to kill Kyorge first), Celebi (with Sub/CM/BP/Giga Drain it can make a nice passer, the problem is getting it in safely with so many weaknesses, and so many strong pokes in the Uber metagame), Armaldo (makes a nice Ninjask counter with Rock blast, and HP:Bug can hit a lot of Psychics hard on the switch - Knock Off is also cool for messing with your opponents, although Armaldo won't last long in Uber, with meh SDef and being vurnerable to at least one attack carried by every physical sweeper in the Uber metagame), and Registeel (with its high defenses and Steel typing it can actually take a hit - uses a Cursing set so that it can actually deal damage).

Those are the only non-Ubers who can stand up to Ubers. Still think it's fair? How many pokemon was that? Ten? Yep. Ten. Compared to... how many other non-Ubers are there? Well, provided I didn't mess up, I counted 207 fully evolved non-Ubers. You do the math. If you just use your favorites (like I'm guesing you do if you don't care about Ubers), then the odds are against you. Even if you do use these pokemon, there's no guarantee you'll win. In fact, you won't win if your opponent is smart.

If you want to experience why Ubers are banned firsthand, download Netbattle and head on over to the Battle Mountain server using only non-Uber pokemon, and ask for a battle against Ubers. You will be owned. For the most part, only the experts frequent that server, so you'll be guaranteed to battle someone competant, and doesn't use something like Eruption Groudon (there are many n00bs on NB who use Ubers just because they're powerful, but don't have any idea what kind of moveset makes them effective). Just be warned, you can't enter that server if you have Quick Claw, Scope Lens, Brightpowder, Lax Incense, or Focus Band equiped on any of your pokemon, and you also can't enter if any of your pokemon know Double Team or a OHKO move (ie.Sheer Cold/Fissure). I'm not sure if other hax moves such as Minimize have been banned there or not, but it'd be safe to assume they are.

Ubers are fair, if you say "ubers suck" it's what I call Pokémon Discrimination.
It's like human discrimination, except in Pokémon form.

So they should be allowed. Who cares if it's "stupid" or n00bish". I am with the ubers. COMPLETELY!

Well now... this is a new standpoint. Ubers ARE NOT, I repeat, ARE NOT stupid or n00bish. Only when used in a metagame not their own. Ubers are perfectly allowed in the Uber metagame, there'd be something wrong there if they weren't, but they are just too powerful for anything else. An Uber could take down 3 OUs if played properly before dying. HOW DO YOU CONSIDER THAT FAIR?!?!

Raichu: AVERAGE UNDERUSED?! AVERAGE UNDERUSED?! HOW DARE YOU INSULT ONE OF MY FAVORITE POKEMON!!

Shut up.

And Magikarp deserves to be in Tier 11 : Undeserving of Mention. Really. Just put it there. It's pathetic and c***.

If you hadn't noticed, unevolved pokemon weren't on that list. No one uses unevolved pokes in a competitive match (well, except for the ones who are different than their evolved forms ie. Scyther, Pikachu, etc.)

Also, remove Pelipper from "CRAP". It's the only thing that Blaziken has a double weakness to. Also equip it with Ice Beam it's very good. So remove it from there please.

That list was decided on Smogon. gregjammer had no part in making it. And just because it can fight Blaziken doesn't mean anything. It's one pokemon. In fact, if the Blaziken is equiped with Thunderpunch, it can't even do that. Plus, what good is having a "double weakness" do anyway? Pelliper's Atk sucks Just because you have a certain type, doesn't mean you have to teach the pokemon that type of attack. And even if both of Pelliper's types are SE against Blaziken's, even if it had as good of an Atk as it did SAtk, you wouldn't gain the quadruple damage bonus. They're seperate attacks. Your comment was effectivley pointless. Learn something about competitive battling, then you can pass judgement on the tier list.

 

[pokemon master:Stranger]

look this is becoming a flame war.
if you check my sig you can see what pokemon i use, yes ubers and guess what who cares there are a few sets of trainers in the world of pokemon battling: noob uber users, noobs, expert trainers , expert ubers.

i will start with noob uber users.

noob uber users: theses are players that have not played pokemon and think ubers make you big there not very clever thay use the wrong moves on there ubers thay have no clue what ev,iv,dv are thay easly crushed by players that are experts but dont use ubers.

noobs: same as above but dont use ubers.

expert trainers: theses are clever people that understand ev,dv,iv thay know the right moves for the right pokemon, most of them take the piss out of people that use ubers, thay normaly can take out noob uber users.

expert uber users: theses are clever people that understand ev,dv,iv most of them know that normal pokemon can defeat ubers if thay know the right moves, thay know what the right moves for there pokemon a lot like expert trainers the basicly the same but use ubers.

well there you have it your probly going to say im wrong but this is how i see trainers.
this is how things should be i know alot of people dont like ubers for what ever reson that is but you people that dont like using ubers you cant tell people thay have to use none ubers if you battle a player who has a full team of ubers it may be unfair but you cant say that to them there are so menny ubers that are easy to get its your fult if you battle a player with ubers and lose well thats to bad really its up to you if you make a decent team or a crap team im not saying have 6 ubers but have 1 or 2 so you dont get woped.

ps: if you hate what i say then thats to bad but fell free to post any insults you want to me because i dont care.