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So no matter what, by the time...

Discussion in 'Animé Spoilers' started by TheNewGuy, May 23, 2010.

  1. TheNewGuy

    TheNewGuy Well-Known Member

    *spoilers, I guess*

    Ash beats Volkner, presuming he does, in a couple of weeks...it'll be the longest gap between gym battles ever. That includes the gap between him beating Juan and Roark. It's held the region-only record for ages obviously, but it is now guaranteed to beat that record.

    (For reference Ash's victory over Candice was on May 14, 2009 in Japan. Ash vs. Volkner is scheduled to air June 3, 2010, a gap of a year and 20 days. The previous record was, by my reckoning, the gap between his win over Juan in Hoenn and his win over Roark in Sinnoh, which was a year and four days. The gap between winning the Earth Badge and winning the Zephyr badge was considerably longer, but is discounted due to the fact that Ash also won badges at the Orange league, even if they're not badges found in-game)

    What are your thoughts on this rather epic gap? Personally, I think it's a little silly for them to leave it that long. The stuff we got in between was terrific, don't get me wrong, but they could have cut out a couple of the fillers or even left some of them until pre-league (for instance, the Twinleaf festival).
    It's been a long, long wait, just hope it's worth it. I know we've had loads of good stuff in the gap, and there haven't been as many fillers as you might expect, but still, I'm shocked they left it this long quite frankly.
     
  2. CyberCubed

    CyberCubed Banned

    LOL, the gap between Juan and Roark doesn't count. The Frontier Brains were in the middle and DP had nothing to do with Hoenn, so how is that a Gym leader gap? Compare gaps between Gym leaders in the SAME REGION, not from others.

    Anyway the Candice and Volkner gap was of course the longest. But since most of DP's plots were done in the middle, it doesn't matter as much.
     
  3. thunderblade12

    thunderblade12 Well-Known Member

    I never understood why this gap mattered so much to people. So much happened during that gap. I mean, I could see people complaining if it was a gap of 50 filler episodes, but it wasn't. I'd be willing to bet no more than seven to ten of them were fillers.
     
  4. GaZsTiC

    GaZsTiC Alternating

    Ash always beats the Gym Leaders. He only loses once per region...only to get the Badge in the next episode.

    Diamond and Pearl has had the least fillers out of the three series. The Twinleaf Festival was anything but filler.

    I don't wait for Gym battles anymore because really they are never worth the wait. The battles are mostly stale, DEM, boring. And for the last Gym of Sinnoh I really would have thought that the writers would have made it more than 3vs3...
     
  5. TheNewGuy

    TheNewGuy Well-Known Member

    Cubed: Err, the idea was to indicate how long the gap was. In this case, Candice-Volkner was so long that even the 8th from Hoenn and the 1st from Sinnoh, which had an entire arc between it, is shorter.

    Now if you want to count the Frontier Symbols as badges, then fair enough. But I have not, so do not talk down to me as if that was in some way wrong.
     
    Last edited: May 23, 2010
  6. CyberCubed

    CyberCubed Banned

    They finished both the Galactic arc and the Contest arc in this gap two. So two major arcs were completed, let alone the other stuff like Brandon Vs. Paul, and so forth.
     
  7. ijea4444

    ijea4444 Well-Known Member

    I don't get the point of this thread. Most of the events in the gap are more exiting than the battle anyway.
     
  8. TheNewGuy

    TheNewGuy Well-Known Member

    1) I presumed he would, obviously he is going to get all 8 badges. There's a vague, 1% possibility of him losing, though. The Kenny ep for example could easily be him training for a Volkner rematch. Seems crazy and obviously very very unlikely to happen but the possibility at least exists.

    2) I wasn't suggesting the Twinleaf Festival was a filler - I was suggesting that it could have been moved until post-Volkner. For example, Palmer as a practice match for the league? That kind of thing.

    3) I don't think a lot of them are particularly DEM. And 3v3 is short and sweet, if we're getting a 1-episode battle than 4 on 4 might seem rushed (like Candice?).

    I see the gym battles as significant markers for the show. After all, this is first and foremost Ash's story. Dawn's contests are obviously a big plus for the show at the moment, but there's a reason they tend to have grand festivals first. I'm impressed with what they did during this gap, but it doesn't change the fact that there was a gap - and that some of it could have been moved.
     
  9. HoennMaster

    HoennMaster Well-Known Member

    No it's not. It's almost 100 episodes in length, Candice to Volkner is a tad over 50.
     
  10. Typhlosion Trainer

    Typhlosion Trainer Fire Trainer

    I could care less about how long this gap was. At least there was alot of interesting things happening between this gap.
     
  11. GaZsTiC

    GaZsTiC Alternating

    If anything, Diamond and Pearl has been focused on presenting Ash and Dawn as being equals giving Contests a larger role in the series than Gyms.
     
  12. poizonsting

    poizonsting Pokemon master

    They're two different gym leaders from two different regions, so that time gap doesn't count

    If they hadn't wasted time on Dawn and Piplup and lame filler episodes (except a few good ones), Ash would have been in Sunnyshore long before you knew it. Also keep in mind that first time Ash challenges Volkner, they don't even get to battle

    ^I agree
     
  13. thunderblade12

    thunderblade12 Well-Known Member

    The one where it fell in love with Marill and the one where it got stuck to Pikachu...

    So cutting out the "Piplup fillers" would have cut the gap down by two episodes.

    In fact it's admittedly been a long time in the waiting, but now that we know when Ash gets his badge I'm gonna compile a list of all of the fillers in this arc to hopefully end the nonstop whining about it.

    1. Pokemon Hustle
    2. Marill, Elekid, Piplup (I'll admit, this one was terrible)
    so
    3. Marill, Piplup, Elekid (It gets counted twice)
    4. Politoed
    5. Togepi
    6. Gible
    7. Misdreavus/Murkrow
    8. Pikachu+Piplup
    9. Magnezone
    10. Ditto

    So less than 1/5 of this gap was filler. And that's with me being generous towards your point of view. There are people that would say that the Politoed episode shouldn't count because it had Oak in it or the Gible episode because a somewhat important character caught a pokemon and it foreshadowed Ash capturing one later.
     
  14. Ash-kid

    Ash-kid Ash-kid

    The longest gap for a gym before Sunyshore was between Eterna and Veilstone (31 episodes, 30 without the clip). This gap is too big because they've decided to focus on Dawn, to finish with her, and then to continue with Ash.

    The battle with Volkner should've ended earlier, already in the first time they met him.
     
  15. streetlightdsb

    streetlightdsb Uni hiatus

    Meh, it's like the others are saying... this gap had so much going on that it doesn't really matter about the gym gap. I mean, we got (not even including Dawn plots);
    Brandon appearence and his battle with Paul
    The full battle and Chimchar>Monferno
    Palmer appearance and battle (Grotle EB powerup)
    Galactic Finale and a couple of episodes leading up to it
    Gliscor release and Gible Capture
    Draco Meteor training
    Barry and Paul appearances and Monferno>Infernape
    Two elite 4 appearances (including battles) and Marley
    Grotle>Torterra

    So loads happened. Quite frankly, the people that complain about it are only really interested in the gym battles and nothing else, so even a good story won't satisfy them.

    Anyway, the only gripe I have with it is that they might as well have made the beginning of the Ash/Volkner battle in DP166 the whole battle. Other than that, I'm good.
     
  16. Bisasam

    Bisasam Bulbasaur

    No it doesn't. He defeated Juan on January 20, 2005 and Roark on February 1, 2007, which is over two years.
     
  17. Lucario At Service

    Lucario At Service Calm Trainer

    Well here is a list i made a while back & updated today. In this list i have counted the gap between each of the badge winning gym battles (i made this because i had time to waste). The list doesn't count the episode in which the badge was won, only the gap is counted. Also i haven't counted the banned episodes & the clip-shows.

    Indigo:-

    Episodes took to win the 1st Badge: 4

    1-2: 1
    2-3: 6
    3-4: 8
    4-5: 1
    5-6: 5
    6-7: 24
    7-8: 3

    Orange Islands:-

    Episodes took to win the 1st Badge: 3

    1-2: 7
    2-3: 9
    3-4: 4

    Jhoto:-

    Episodes took to win the 1st Badge: 14

    1-2: 12
    2-3: 14
    3-4: 22
    4-5: 26
    5-6: 14
    6-7: 13
    7-8: 14

    Hoenn:-

    Episodes took to win the 1st Badge: 15

    1-2: 14
    2-3: 8
    3-4: 15
    4-5: 13
    5-6: 14
    6-7: 14
    7-8: 10

    Battle Frontier:-

    Episodes took to win the 1st Badge: 3

    1-2: 12
    2-3: 3
    3-4: 4
    4-5: 5
    5-6: 5
    6-7: 18

    Sinnoh:-

    Episodes took to win the 1st Badge: 17

    1-2: 18
    2-3: 29
    3-4: 14
    4-5: 18
    5-6: 5
    6-7: 17
    7-8: 51

    So this list clearly shows that the gap between the 7th & 8th gym is the longest (almost a season long).

    Though i don't mind them taking longer between gym matches, i really hoped that they hadn't taken so long to do it.
     
    Last edited: May 23, 2010
  18. Locormus

    Locormus Can we please get the old forum back?

    Good effort L@S! It really isn't mind blowing that the gaps have become longer over the generations. With the advent of Contests in Hoenn, Kanto and Sinnoh... It is mindblowing however how people keep on complaining when we have so little fillers in between these gaps...
     
  19. Typhlosion Trainer

    Typhlosion Trainer Fire Trainer

    I dont see whats with all the complaining. Now, I can understand if there were a whole rack of pointless fillers but their werent. It was a good wholesome gap.
     
  20. Spacialrend

    Spacialrend Gallade owns

    What was the question again? Would you rather it be 8 gyms in FIFTY episodes?
     

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