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Speed Boost Combusken

Discussion in 'Older Gens' started by Roughneck JB, May 16, 2011.

  1. Roughneck JB

    Roughneck JB Well-Known Member

    I'm sure many of us are disappointed at Blaziken's Smogon ban. However I wonder if, despite being substantially weaker, Combusken has any competitive viability with Speed Boost.

    This is all still theory, but I imagine him having a set like this:

    Combusken@Eviolite/Focus Sash
    Speed Boost
    252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP
    - Swords Dance
    - Sky Uppercut
    - Shadow Claw/Flare Blitz
    - Protect

    Either item helps Combusken survive long enough to boost his stats. Sky Uppercut is the most reliable STAB he has.
    Shadow Claw provides near perfect coverage with Sky Uppercut, and Flare Blitz is by far his strongest move. Though I wouldn't use it because of his low HP.
    And of course, Protect for free Speed Boosting and scouting.

    I'm not suggesting that this can break the game like his big brother did, but I'm sure he can still be useful with his new ability.
    What're everyone's thoughts on this?
  2. Blue Harvest

    Blue Harvest Banned

    Evolite gives him 60/99/99 defenses with those EVs so hes still going to drop to most hard hits and 85 base attack isn't going to sweep much. Hes still a better Pokemon than Ninjask though..
  3. ParaChomp

    ParaChomp be your own guru

    Running Combusken defensively seems to be effective.

    Adamant / Careful
    Speed Boost
    252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
    Bulk Up
    Sky Uppercut
    Flare Blitz / Shadow Claw
    Shadow Claw / Protect

    1st thing's first, it isn't Blaziken where it has paper thin defences compared to the rest of the tier. Protect helps you grab Speed Boosts but Shadow Claw is generally better as it can be used for coverage. Just my 2 cents.
  4. Blue Harvest

    Blue Harvest Banned


    That has base stats of 60 HP / 85 Attack / 99 Defense / 115 Special Defense. After a Bulk up you will gain about enough defense to survive a Garchomp Earthquake, but you're still hitting like a twig. Capitalize on its defenses and just run SD + Protect like Blaziken and try to Baton Pass something more dangerous in.
  5. algae5

    algae5 1337

    Also, you can just use sharpedo if you want a speed booster now.
  6. Lol, ain't that the truth.

    I can see this little guy working pretty well in the lower tiers. Sharpedo sort of outclasses him as a Swords Dance sweeper, but a Baton Pass role would be very nice when it becomes legal. Combusken has good enough STAB moves to hurt stuff when it gets the chance, and it has a little bulk with an Evolite. This is more than Ninjask can say, and he was OU in 4th Gen.
  7. Gamefreak

    Gamefreak Well-Known Member

    Sharpedo does not get Swords Dance.
  8. Lol, sorry. I meant Speed Boost sweeper. XD
  9. calze6

    calze6 Reclaiming da ladder

    Try 252HP 252 Atk. After one boost, it still will be pretty fast and can actually take a hit.
  10. kaiser soze

    kaiser soze Reading ADWD

    I highly disagree on the ninjask hate. give it protect and a focus sash and it can get you plenty of boosts. with base 90 attack it can do some serious damage if necessary.
  11. stenli

    stenli Flabebes

    I tried Combusken lately and it didnt work at all. A note for you guys, all released DW starters are male, so they cant have Egg Moves at least for now.
    Comb is quiet bulky with Eviolite, but she lacks good move to use. The only physical Fire move it gets is Flare Blitz which will likely kill Comb after recoil.

    If only it gets Blaze Kick...
  12. acetrainerdov

    acetrainerdov ToTW Br0's

    speed boost combusken with protect is insane
  13. Excitable Boy

    Excitable Boy is a metaphor

    Why the hell would you use Focus Sash on this?

    The ONLY REASON you should be using Combusken over Blaziken is for Eviolite, which is a piss-poor argument for a frailish sweeper Pokemon with no recovery.
  14. Zachmac

    Zachmac Crystalline Guardian

    But in smogon, blaziken was banned to Ubers. As posted above, eviolite combusken sucks.

    An adamant swords dance set reaches 590 attack and 313 speed with a single turn. It sounds like it'd be hard to get up, but Combusken has Fire Stab, so it would be incredibly easy to come in on Ferrothorn, Fortress, Scissor, ect. and get a swords dance up.

    Flare blitz hits everything at least neutrally except Rock, Water, Dragon, and Fire. Sky uppercut handles Rocks, along with most Fire/Water types. After that, try shadow claw for Chandalure and Jellicent, along with some more neutral coverage. Rock slide hits Dragon/Flying though, along with Gyrados.
    I would suggest...
    Speed Boost/Focus Sash
    -Swords Dance
    -Flare Blitz
    -Sky Uppercut
    -Rock Slide/Shadow Claw
    Personally, I'd choose Rock Slide. Night Slash could be used over shadow claw, but that isn't legal yet.
  15. Karpi

    Karpi Forever a pirate

    Actually, if you let Ninjask get in 2 Swords Dances, it can OHKO Dialga with Dig, so it's not COMPLETELY terrible.
  16. DragonSkull94

    DragonSkull94 The Heartless Hero

    Why use Combuskin when we have Infernape? No Speed Boost, true, but Ape still has more power and two STAB priority moves

    #TWERKTEAM Banned

    Anything with +4 and decent attack isn't completely terrible.
  18. Zachmac

    Zachmac Crystalline Guardian

    It's a matter if you want Priority/Power or Speed. I'd choose combusken.
  19. DarkLink3

    DarkLink3 Banned

    I've used Speed Boost Combusken alot. and It sucks ***. =/ It's not a wise choice to put in any team. Unless it's a lower Tier team.
  20. 03Juice

    03Juice TSS

    I wouldn't use it. It might work on lower tiers but even a Ferrothorn KO's this thing with Absorb. And Eviolite is even more terrible since it's attack power is far too low. Just use sharpedo or play UU/RU/NU.

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