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SPPF Christian Alliance

Discussion in 'Clubs' started by Pikawho?, Nov 21, 2008.

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  1. TheFightingPikachu

    TheFightingPikachu Smashing!

    Here are my thoughts. First, it is important to note that the games do not confirm all of the myths about it. Even though the Sinjoh Ruins thing seems to indicate it can create a Palkia, Dialga, or Giratina, this is not sufficient to prove everything. The fact that it can be captured in a Poké Ball may be enough to cast just a little bit of doubt on the idea that the myths are all true.

    Additionally, take a moment to consider the nature of the myths. They do not present Arceus as eternal, nor is it the only Pokémon involved in the creation of the world. In that respect, these myths more closely parallel Graeco-Roman cosmogonies (myths about the origin of the universe). Arceus is presented as immensely powerful, but not as a true parallel to the Christian God.

    Furthermore, even if the games presented the accounts as entirely accurate, the games themselves are still fiction. Even works of fiction with multiple gods or no gods can have literary merit for Christians. I wish I knew what else to say on that point, honestly.
     
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  2. Dread Advocate

    Dread Advocate †Stay Metal†

    Update on my friend's mother and her breast cancer scare: all clear! She's clean and safe! Thank you so much for the prayers!
     
  3. Roseheart95

    Roseheart95 El Psy Congroo

    ^That's great! I'm really glad to hear that :)
     
  4. Starlight Aurate

    Starlight Aurate Just a fallen star

    This is pretty much everything that needs to be said, I think. Even if the games made up what's considered a "god," they completely acknowledge that it's fiction and we're not expected to believe it or follow it ourselves. Christians can study gods of other religions and I, personally, find studying the Celtic and Viking pagan gods to be interesting. We can still look at these and talk about them and everything and yet still remain devoted to our God. Heck, no one in our world even believes Arceus to be real, whereas the pagan gods actually have had/have support from living people. Everyone acknowledges Arceus to be fiction, so I find nothing wrong with playing a game that includes him.

    Great to hear! And I'll pray for your grandmother as well.

    Hm, while there's no easy answer to that, I can say that Roseheart is right, and that you definitely want to pray. I can say that my morals (and by extent, beliefs) have caused me a lot of emotional grief and strife in the past, but that I now find happiness and peace in them. Is it through persecution from others that upset you? Or something else? Something that seems to work with most things is to try to take part in social activities with your church (I don't know your age, but something like Youth Group/Church organizations etc.). Being with others who believe in what you do makes it easier to keep your faith alive, and can be a great comfort to try and get face-to-face with God.

    Sorry, I'm not being very clear on this, I just don't know how. I'll pray for you though!
     
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  5. NimhShambler

    NimhShambler Fighting Type Prof.

    Had to have possible skin cancer removed today. It was a very big mole, but the doctor was unsure if it was cancer. I'm hoping it's not, as my mother has very bad skin cancer to the point where it has metastasised. I'm in a lot of pain right now, but it is worth it to get that mole off if it was cancer.
     
  6. Roseheart95

    Roseheart95 El Psy Congroo

    ^Praying for you Nemmeh - you seem to be going through a lot right now. Stay strong and lean on the Lord.
     
  7. NimhShambler

    NimhShambler Fighting Type Prof.

    Got a call from my doctor today. It wasn't cancer! I mean, it's kind of a bummer that I had to have a mole I've had all my life and sort of liked (as weird as that sounds) cut off and am in a lot of pain, but at least I don't have skin-cancer. I know how dangerous that can be because my mom has it really badly. She gets them cut off and twice as many grow back. I worry about her a lot.
     
  8. Roseheart95

    Roseheart95 El Psy Congroo

    ^Better to be safe than sorry, but I'm glad it wasn't cancer! :) And, don't worry, I know what you mean about liking your mole xD
     
  9. NimhShambler

    NimhShambler Fighting Type Prof.

    Don't know why, but lately I've really been feeling like I need to go to church again, so I'm going to.

    So, I'm going to try out a new church tonight. Night Service works best for me and so does a small, non-denominational church. Found one that's exactly 16 minutes from its front-door to my front door on foot. Service starts at 6pm (my time).

    Wish me luck!
     
  10. Starlight Aurate

    Starlight Aurate Just a fallen star

    Best of luck, Nemmeh! I'm happy that you're going to church :) I go every week, for I've found that, as Thomas a Kempis says in The Imitation of Christ, the best way to God is by attending church and receiving Holy Communion.

    Speaking of The Imitation of Christ, and since we have no current topic, I suppose I'll go ahead and make a new one!

    Other than the Bible, what is your favorite religious piece of literature? And if you've only read the Bible, what book/chapter/verse?
    My favorite work of literature is The Story of a Soul, the autobiography of St. Therese of Lisieux. The way she thinks is so simple, yet everything she did was so full of love and so good. It was this work, more than anything, that inspired me to come and try to get as close to God as I could. It helped me to learn to see Him as the benevolent Father and all-forgiving, all-loving Being who will never forsake us or abandon us no matter what we do. It really was very comforting.

    I also like The Imitation of Christ. This put me on the other end of the spectrum; rather than comforting me, it disturbed me as Thomas a Kempis wrote of what it required to get to Heaven and to imitate Christ fully. What I found most distressing was when he said that, "You cannot have two heavens--that is to say, you cannot have joy and delight here, and also joy afterwards with Christ in heaven." It took a while of contemplation (and reading the rest of the book) for me to accept this, for I cannot deny that my life is comfortable and I am happy with the way that I live. But now I do see what he means; if Heaven is really to be the ultimate joy and paradise for us, why would be content in this life, so far away from God? I can't explain fully what I mean, but I have come to accept what he has said; I just need to be able to carry it out (which I often can't).

    And from the Bible, I would have to say that my favorite verse is Matthew 28:20, when Jesus says "And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." I just found this so comforting, since it's straightforward and is true to what it says. Though I've only read a few books of the bible, I've found the book of Samuel 1 pretty interesting; at least it's not like Numbers or Deuteronomy, which were harder to get through.
     
  11. Roseheart95

    Roseheart95 El Psy Congroo

    I haven't really read any religious literature except for one book which my great aunt gave me on my baptism called The Other Wise Man. I found the language a bit challenging to get on with, but I may give it another go one day :)

    As for my favourite verse, it would have to be Philippians 4:16. I get anxious a lot, so this verse is a great comfort to me :)
     
  12. Chimungus

    Chimungus Well-Known Member

    I have a question about something that's been bugging me, and something that a lot of Christians share different opinions on. Is combat in games that is not graphically violent at all (Pokemon, super smash bros, can't really name another) unchristian? I'm confused about this because I've never had a problem with it and thought of it only as competition, but I've read a lot of articles saying that any combat sports are evil and violent because you hurt each other. Does this apply to games like Pokemon? Thanks!
     
  13. Roseheart95

    Roseheart95 El Psy Congroo

    One of the key things to remember in this situation would be the verse about meat offered to idols, I think. In grey areas, what offends some people's faith is okay for others - it depends on whether the Holy Spirit convicts you or not. I don't think there's much entertainment (films, games etc.) which is completely free of any concepts or aspects that a Christian could find offensive - that is, I think you could probably pick apart almost anything and call it evil from a Christian perspective if you look hard enough. Personally, I don't agree that combat sports are evil (the less violent ones, at least), as the intention is often not to beat your opponent to a pulp - it could be to learn self-defence or discipline, or learning to control your own movement, or just to stay fit in general. I remember reading somewhere (official, I think) that Pokemon enjoy fighting - it's just like friendly competition. To be honest, though, I don't really read that much into it - I just enjoy the games. There is a lot of focus on positive traits such as friendship, trust, justice etc., too. I think the main problem from Pokemon could be that it could become an idol - but I think that would be the extent of it.

    Hope that was helpful :)
     
  14. Chimungus

    Chimungus Well-Known Member

    You summed up exactly what my thoughts were. Thanks!
     
  15. Dread Advocate

    Dread Advocate †Stay Metal†

    Well, you have to remember that violence in our entertainment is entirely fictitious (well, except for UFC and such), no matter how grisly it may appear. Even the violence in stories that are based on real events are fake because they're simply reenactments. It really all just depends on you. If the violence offends you or somehow affects your walk with God, they you do what steps you deem necessary to reduce your exposure to it, or completely remove the source of the violence from your life, and return your focus to God.
     
  16. Chimungus

    Chimungus Well-Known Member

    I was mostly talking about Pokemon, because nothing else I'm interested in is remotely violent, but I don't have a problem with the series, it just seems that so many people do and it can get a little annoying, especially because of all the great values and such.
     
  17. Avenger Angel

    Avenger Angel Warrior of Heaven

    The thing to remember is that it's just a game. In a video game, you're not actually hurting or killing anything real, it's all virtual. Your enemies are simply AI developed by a programmer given the appearance of a fictional person or creature. And if you're playing a multiplayer game online, think of it as a simple, competitive game.

    Competitive sports can be fun and friendly, but those that take it to a level where you're physically hurting other people outside of the games rules are committing an act of sin. Sure, everyone wants to win, but the point is not to play too aggressively where you turn a game into a reason to fight.
     
  18. TheFightingPikachu

    TheFightingPikachu Smashing!

    Hmm. There's a lot I could say on the current topic. First, I would argue that it is not possible to label all real-world combat evil or sinful. There are several arguments in support of this conclusion, among them the fact that the Scriptures as a whole do not say this. There are numerous Scriptural statements which indicate that people in authority can--and at times should--use force to protect their people. This can mean law enforcement (as in Romans 13:1-4), or war (as in various passages, especially in the Old Testament). Also, even if defending oneself were banned in Scripture (a conclusion I do not think can be drawn), it is certainly honorable to engage in combat to defend others.

    Second, there is the simple fact, as others have mentioned, that there is a difference between actual combat and combat that is virtual. I certainly would not be one to say that everything involving criminal actions is fine in a virtual setting, but if I played a game where I get to be a ridiculous, mad scientist who unleashes dangerous, mutant ducks on the populace, I think we can safely say that such a situation is so hilariously removed from reality that it is not inherently sinful!


    (Just a note, I don't know of any game where one plays as a ridiculous mad scientist who unleashes dangerous mutant ducks on the populace. Still, I gotta say, QUACK!)
     
  19. Dread Advocate

    Dread Advocate †Stay Metal†

    I've got a big prayer request. I've got a job interview for Chick-Fil-A on Tuesday, and I'm really starting to stress out. I know it's only fast food, and thus my chances of getting the job are relatively high, despite a complete lack of experience, but I'm previewing interview questions, and it's really starting to get to me. The biggest thing that's bothering me is I'm starting to realize that pretty much all of our society is built on lying, and how much I'm going to have to lie if I want to survive. I'm almost like a Vulcan in that I can't lie. I could, but I'm awful at it. My girlfriend has been extremely helpful in preparing me for this, but she can't get the job for me. So I need you guys to pray that I don't break down into a panic attack tonight, tomorrow, or during the interview.
     
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  20. Chimungus

    Chimungus Well-Known Member

    Something that kind of has always confused me about the series is do Pokemon get hurt when they battle? Because potions say they are to heal wounds and it makes it sound more serious than the series ever shows. Like it battling actually really painful or just exhausting?
     
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