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SPPF Christian Alliance

Discussion in 'Clubs' started by Pikawho?, Nov 21, 2008.

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  1. pokemaster394

    pokemaster394 JESUS FREAK

    I'll make sure to pray for you, SS. Can you all please pray for my grandparents on both sides of my family? My dad's mom and my mother's mom aren't doing too well right now. I'm really worried about them.

    Oh, and you all remember that girlfriend of mine that I mentioned? The one I'm currently with? Man, she's so wonderful! Whenever we're together, we can't help but talk about Jesus! He's our main topic of discussion now! We listen to songs about him together, we talk about how wonderful and awesome he is, its as though I'm with my youth group at church! I'm telling you guys, she's the right one alright! Truly a Godsend. And Jesus truly is the greatest! 3 cheers for our wonderful savior and Lord, whom we can't live correctly without!
  2. LugiaSoul

    LugiaSoul You can't stop me


    What do yall think of Twilight? I think its kinda evil cause it has vampires in it and vampires are the "bounty hunters of the devil".

    Also, please pray for my mom's friend, Victoria. Her mother died this morning. Very sad. "tears"
  3. chosen_one386

    chosen_one386 Angel of Chaos

    Ah, Twilight. The series I refused to read because it was so popular amongst the girls in my high school. I really do have issues with this series on its views of vampires being "good". IDK why, I just tend to lean more toward Bram Stoker's view of the genre with vampires being evil and those who hunt them doing God's work.

    Anyone here read Dracula?

    That's wonderfull, pokemaster! :D Thank the Lord that he led you to such a godly girl!
  4. ShinySandshrew

    ShinySandshrew †God Follower†

    Hmm... I haven't read Twilight, but since they're fictional creatures it would depend on how the author made them. It boils down to this: Do they have a spirit? If so, they would need the love of Jesus just like every other human.

    LugiaSoul, where did you hear/read that thing about vampires being "bounty hunters of the devil?"

    Thanks to all of you who prayed for me regarding my test. I feel that I did a pretty well. Next Monday I have two tests back to back and then two more back to back on Tuesday. I would appreciate your prayer for those also. :)
  5. LugiaSoul

    LugiaSoul You can't stop me

    I have heard of it from books and movies.
  6. chosen_one386

    chosen_one386 Angel of Chaos

    The thing is, vampires aren't human. In most vampire canon, they are immortal and can only be killed in certain ways. Plus, in most vampire canon, they have no souls. That's the controversy. Just because a vampire is nice and tries to be "good" doesn't mean that they are essentially good, like in Twilight. Plus, Edward stalks people. >_> I would never fall for a guy who stalks me while I sleep.

    I've actually heard that in several places, plus a slightly different version of that saying in the original Dracula.
  7. ShinySandshrew

    ShinySandshrew †God Follower†

    Sorry, what I said about vampires was my view in general, not about Twilight.

    I'm pretty sure there are stories where ordinary humans can be turned into vampires through no fault of their own. What then? Should they be considered evil?
  8. chosen_one386

    chosen_one386 Angel of Chaos

    True, true, but that question brings up a lot of ethical issues. I mean, if it's not their fault, then they should take steps to ensure that they do not get drawn into the darkside of things.
  9. pokemaster394

    pokemaster394 JESUS FREAK

    I've read the twilight series, and it was pretty good. I found some stuff in the books that I related to how we as christians should be towards others. Unconditional love, that is.
  10. chosen_one386

    chosen_one386 Angel of Chaos

    Wow, that's a new take on things. Care to elaborate?
  11. pokemaster394

    pokemaster394 JESUS FREAK

    Allow me to explain. Basically, the character Isabella (Bella) Swan, a human girl, is in love with a vampire named Edward Cullen, whom she loves unconditionally. That is how Jesus is towards us. So, in turn, we should do the same...

    Guys, something's been on my mind alot lately. Its about a topic we mentioned before, I think it was on homosexuality? Here's what I'm thinking on it: The way I see it, when two people of the same sex are together, for us guys, a girl and another girl and for you ladies on here, a guy and a guy, that ruins any chance we'd have with them. And it hurts inside.
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  12. ShinySandshrew

    ShinySandshrew †God Follower†

    I know that the good vampires in Twilight drink only animal blood but what if you had to drink human blood? What then?

    Let me quote a portion of Plugged In Online's review of the movie.

    Yes, we should love others unconditionally. But keep in mind that Bella wants to fall in love with this guy who wants to kill her! In another book, she puts herself in danger so that Edward will come save her. You can love someone unconditionally and still use common sense.

    I agree. It would ruin your chances. BTW, did you finish your thought there? It seem sorta incomplete.

    "The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger and plenteous in mercy." (Psalm 103:8) Thank you all for praying for me about my recent tests. I finished my last one yesterday! Now all I have to do is wait for the results. I also asked you all to pray that I wouldn't get sick before my tests and God heard our prayers! Glory be to God! Thank you all again!
  13. pokemaster394

    pokemaster394 JESUS FREAK

    Yes, I know that. But, thats not what I was saying. I simply meant that as christians, we should love others without conditions. By no means should we do what Bella was doing, which was completely stupid and foolish of her, and she could have been killed. I only meant to love others unconditionally. But, since you pointed it out, and you are right of course, although we should show unconditional love towards others, we must use our heads in doing so, not allow the human heart to decide what we do for us. For that will ultimately lead to our own demise.

    And, no, I didn't finish due to being pushed for time, hence the 3 dots.

    The next thing I wanted to point out is the ones who are the supposed villains of the series: The Volturi. Like Satan, they are posers and very good posers at that. They pretend to be peacekeepers in the vampire world. But, they are, far as I'm concerned, truly evil. Beautifully dressed in white, but underneath they are monsters who are "scary smart", cunning, and ultimately deadly, each member held together as a group by one vampire, the one I believe to be the "Satan" of the Twilight Saga, Aro. Unlike the rest of the members, Aro is the closest to what you would think Satan is like. And that in itself kind of made me personally rethink what I thought about Satan. Its alot like what we talked about in my sunday school class two weeks ago: Who Satan is and what he's known to be.

    The last two, and this is coming from the last two books in the series known as Eclipse and Breaking Dawn, is the unity formed in the Cullen family and finally, the alliance forged between both the Cullens and the Quileute tribe, beginning in Eclipse and truly united in Breaking Dawn.

    The Cullens, each member with a different background, are in fact a family. Its the kind of family you really don't see too often anymore these days due to the "watered down" society we live in today. Its alot like the family I hope I can have one day, without seriously major issues in relationships. Each of the Cullens works together to stay as a family, and they seem to do pretty well with it. There are some conflicts, but there's no seperation among them over family disputes and issues. I'm not saying they are perfect, for they are far from it, due to excluding the most important component of a family: Putting our Lord Jehova as the foundation of the family. I'm simply pointing out that unlike most families of today, and I mean no offense to anyone here when I say this, the Cullens are a good example of a family.

    Now the alliance between the Cullens and the Quileute Tribe brings in unity, which is extremely important in our lives as christians, both in Christ and in each other. We must first and foremost have unity in our Lord Jesus Christ, second with our family and then finally, with each other and others as well. For without unity in Christ, your going to absolutely fail. Basically, two opposite sides that have many similarities as well as many differences eventually coming together for a common cause and in the end, it benefits them greatly forever more. It wasn't easy for them. And for the Quileute tribe, it was extremely hard. Because the alliance wasn't just between them and the Cullens, but many other vampire covens as well. Anyways, it wasn't easy for the Quileutes nor for us. And thats where it relates to our relationship with Jesus. We must first have unity in him, then the rest will fall into place. Then we need unity in each other, starting with our own families and then among other fellow christians. For alone we will surely fall into defeat. But together, we encourage each other, grow together, and ultimately, will greatly benefit us in the future as we go out into the world, spreading the Good News to other people. But it begins with forming a relationship with Jesus Christ. If he is for us, we cannot fail. And by his power, we stand, united together as one, becoming the only force Satan cannot conquer, despite how hard he tries to do so. Like the Cullens and the Quileute Tribe against the Volturi, we in Christ unite together against Satan and his evil ways.

    Alright, I wanted to say a bit more on the subject. However, I've found myself with a seriously irritating question that came from a small story I read in a book called Ethix (and its spelt that way on the book before anyone complains) by Sean Mcdowell, the son of a man I truly hope you guys know of, Josh Mcdowell.

    The story goes as this: A college student named Jana is dealing with a huge problem at her school. Her college professor has assigned her to watch four one-hour periods of X-rated pornographic films and write a personal review as part of her grade. If she doesn't do this, her grades are going to drop majorly. The problem is, she is a christian and knows that the Lord's desire for her is to be sexually pure, which will benefit her in the long rua lin.

    What is the right thing for her to do in this situation? Don't watch the films and hurt her grade, or watch the films to help her grade and cause herself serious problems in her spiritual life in the long run?

    Now, guys, I've had this book for quite a while. I got it two years ago at Winter Extreme 08, along with two other books: Right from Wrong by Josh Mcdowell and Bob Hostetler and Why True Love Waits by Josh Mcdowell. I read the first one, I'm almost positive that I read the second one, and this last one is the one I still need to read. Like I said before, I've had this book for a little over two years. But, I just couldn't bring myself to take the time to actually begin reading it until today, so I don't know what I'm in for. However, I know Josh Mcdowell's not the type to write pointless books that have no way of helping christians in their spiritual lives, nor would I expect his son Sean to. I really think this is going to help me in my spiritual walk with God, and I want to let you guys know what I've learned from it while I read it, so that you can get something out of it too.

    Now, going back to the question I asked about Jana's situation, what do you guys think is the right choice in a problem like that, guys? I know I'll find the answer in the book as I'm reading it, but before I get to that point, I'd like an opinion on the problem from you guys. I don't know exactly what will happen, but I'm sure your opinions will benefit me and hopefully you guys as well, and even more so, will benefit other christians as well.
    Last edited: Apr 15, 2010
  14. chosen_one386

    chosen_one386 Angel of Chaos

    Personally, as a student so focused on grades, it would be hard for me to accept a zero on any kind of project. However, in this instance, my conscious and morals kick in. I believe Jana should refuse to watch the movies. Her grades may suffer, but in the long run, she would have made the right decision.
  15. pokemaster394

    pokemaster394 JESUS FREAK

    Thats what I think as well, and additionally, I think her professor is a wacko for wanting his/her students to watch X-rated porn films for a major grade. I'll continue over to the next topic from the book after I get a few more opinions from you guys.
  16. chosen_one386

    chosen_one386 Angel of Chaos

    I've actually heard something like this in real life. College professors can pretty much teach some wild subjects and have their students to some wacko things. That's why I'm glad I'm going to a school that isn't so liberal arts related.
  17. ArcanineOod

    ArcanineOod Peace, perfect peace

    I think if I was on a course where the teacher made me watch porn in order to get a good mark I'd quit it. Perhaps that might be a little OTT, actually, but I certainly wouldn't watch it just to get a good mark. I'd make a formal complaint to the school about being forced to watch inappropriate stuff.

  18. Sha742

    Sha742 Well-Known Member

    Having studied the bible in strife after a great (withheld) misfortune in my life, I'd like to answer a few comments that had greatly offended me in here as a defender of literature and advocate for decent reading comprehension.

    Many comments directed towards homosexuality have paralleled its morality with rape and the like simply because they're all sin.
    However, this is wrong. God does not see all sin as equal, despite the amount of times the phrase is said. A prideful sin is weighed much more heavily than a slothful one in his eyes, and this has been outlined in Proverbs.
    “There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: 1) haughty eyes, 2) a lying tongue, 3) hands that shed innocent blood, 4) a heart that devises wicked schemes, 5) feet that are quick to rush into evil, 6) a false witness who pours out lies, and 7) a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.”

    Homosexuality in the bible has only been defined as one who participates in the act of sodomy, an act that both heterosexual and homosexual couples are guilty of.

    "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

    Romans had cited God using homosexuality as a plague to punish Rome for its debauchery. (Overt heterosexual actions) This doesn't condemn homosexuality, just Rome at that time. A society cannot survive if everyone is gay, for human capital reasons.

    Homosexuality isn't a choice. God gave us free will, but he also gave us unchangeable aspects.

    As a point, animals were not given free will, and yet, many are still gay.
  19. Chelc

    Chelc Well-Known Member

    It's really unfair to sign up for a class and not know an assignment like that would be given. That really should have been in the course description and the syllabus. I would suggest she ask her professor if there is an alternative assignment she can do that does not involve pornography.

    If he/she is unwilling to give her an alternative assignment, she could drop the class, unless it's too late.

    I know if anything makes me feel uncomfortable, I'm not doing it. Suffering through something that makes me feel uncomfortable, even for a good grade, isn't worth it to me.
  20. ShinySandshrew

    ShinySandshrew †God Follower†

    Where does it say in the Bible that only Romans were punished? If it was sin then, it still is sin now.

    Really? Is murder a choice or is it ok to murder becuase we are born with those tendencies? If God declares ceratin actions to be sinful, we should strive to overcome our desire to do those actions.

    I looked up the meaning of the word "gay" and one of the defintions of the word was "homosexual." The primary definition of the word homosexual was "(of a person or animal) Sexually attracted solely or primarily to other members of the same sex."
    How many animals are sexually attracted to animals of the same sex like humans are? But let's assume that they are for the sake of arguement. Even if animals are homosexual, that doesn't mean that it is okay for humans. Humans were created in the image of God and are held to a higher standard. There is nothing in the Bible restricting animals from killing other animals. But humans are commanded not to murder. You cannot use animals to justify an action that God has said is wrong.
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