Starter Discussion & Thread

[Alexander18]

Rowlet is staying Grass/Flying. I can see it learn Rock Tomb or Rock Slide to counter it's Fire and Ice weaknesses. Popplio is Water but could become Water/Ice or Water/Psychic. It is likely able to learn Ice Beam since many water type starters can. As for Litten, it might be pure Fire, Fire/Fighting or Fire/Dark. It could be capable of learning Solar Beam as other fire starters can.

The best fully evolve type trio I can see is Grass/Flying, Fire/Fighting and Water/Ice so they can all be super effective on each other.

 

[goodpeople25]

Since when was biped or quad even an issue? IMO who even cares? If they can walk then I'm good.

They're harder to guess? Gen 5 is still on peoples mind? which had 2 out of 3 having hard to see coming changes from there starting movement. And they had 2 legs for the first 2 stages and then boom 0/4 legs, cyndiquil at least went back and forth.

 

[Nunn]

The best fully evolve type trio I can see is Grass/Flying, Fire/Fighting and Water/Ice so they can all be super effective on each other.

Screw fire/fighting! We had that 3 times in a row, give me fire/dark instead any day!

 

[Aromatic Mist]

I don't see why people are obsessing over these 'ooh they'll be super effective on eachother' biz, the only time the starter's second types had any interaction with each other that was intentional was last gen, as I've said (and I'm sick of repeating it) their RPG theme.

It could happen, but there's a good chance it won't.

 

[pokemonbw01]

I think Popplio will get the Samurott treatment and become semi-biped, able to stand all fours to it's hind flipper things, whatever you call those on sea lions. Also I hope Litten becomes biped, it'll help it stand out from other cat pokemon.

Meowstic has done that job already.

Plus, I don't really want Litten to evolve into a fiercer cat....a tiger is what I hope and think it will evolve into. Considering we haven't had a tiger yet, Litten's evolution wud be the first ever fully evolve quad fire stater!

Also, I'd be fine if their secondary types include no type triangles and instead random types that are neither super effective nor resistant.

Litten's evo: Fire/ Dark
Rowlet's evo: Grass/ Flying
Popplio's evo: Water/ Fairy

Yes, although Fairy is SE against Dark, Fire resists it. So, it will hit Litten's evo without SEness or resistance. This could work out really well imo.

 

[Dragon Pulse]

Rowlet is staying Grass/Flying. I can see it learn Rock Tomb or Rock Slide to counter it's Fire and Ice weaknesses. Popplio is Water but could become Water/Ice or Water/Psychic. It is likely able to learn Ice Beam since many water type starters can. As for Litten, it might be pure Fire, Fire/Fighting or Fire/Dark. It could be capable of learning Solar Beam as other fire starters can.

The best fully evolve type trio I can see is Grass/Flying, Fire/Fighting and Water/Ice so they can all be super effective on each other.

There's several possibilities. Rowlet could stay Grass/Flying (it seems more plausible than changing its type when it evolves) while Litten and Popplio could remain pure Fire and Water. Many have speculated that Litten could be Fire/Dark, Fire/Rock, or even Fire/Poison since its Pokédex entry states that its "fur is rich with oil and its fur is highly flammable" which could kinda scream Poison. The most obvious route Popplio could go to is Water/Ice, but we have too many of them. Most of them are seal and sea lion Pokémon anyway. It could either be Water/Psychic or, possibly, Water/Fairy. I had an idea that Rowlet could become Grass/Dark when it evolves due to its Pokédex entry saying it can swoop down from the sky and it is easy for it to glide in the darkness. I'd rather it remain Grass/Flying anyway.

 

[knightwolf09]

Meowstic has done that job already.

Plus, I don't really want Litten to evolve into a fiercer cat....a tiger is what I hope and think it will evolve into. Considering we haven't had a tiger yet, Litten's evolution wud be the first ever fully evolve quad fire stater!

So what, you just want a quad fire starter just so it can be the first? I don't get it.

 

[clbgolden12]

So what, you just want a quad fire starter just so it can be the first? I don't get it.

Personally the reason I want Litten to stay quad is because I think it'd look better if it stayed that way. I just think it going just two feet would be... Odd.

 

[Endless]

So what, you just want a quad fire starter just so it can be the first? I don't get it.

It's more like it would be refreshing with a quadrupedal Fire starter and it would help it stand out among them. The only other one we have that is kind of quadrupedal is Typhlosion(which usually stands upright when fighting).
It's far from a deal breaker or anything like that for me, both options can make excellent designs, but given the choice I would rather have Litten stay quadrupedal.

 

[Bguy7]

Since when was biped or quad even an issue? IMO who even cares? If they can walk then I'm good.

I agree. I honestly don't understand why everyone makes such a big deal about it. Some designs work bipedal, some work quadrupedal. It will be the design that most works for it.

Personally the reason I want Litten to stay quad is because I think it'd look better if it stayed that way. I just think it going just two feet would be... Odd.

Whatever Game Freak decided it was going to be, I'm sure they'll make it work. You may not be able to imagine it as a biped now, but if they reveal it and it is, then you probably won't be able to imagine it any other way afterwards.

 

[freezer1]

I will take a punt at Grass/Flying, Fire/Rock and Water/Fairy if I had to choose. (otherwise I'd split my bet on Popplio ending up pure Water). With very little to go off, we've all no choice but to do a lot of straw-grasping, but Rowlet ending anything over than Grass/Flying is quite pushing it. I quite like the Fire/Rock theory for Litten, and being part Rock is very intriguing as it's not something we've had in a starter before. As someone posted above, Water/Ice for Popplio seems unlikely since we already have two lines of water/ice seal-like Pokemon, so Water/Fairy is logical. However, secondary starter types are cool and all, but by no means mandatory, so I might say pure Water is also a possibility.

As for final evolutions, for some reason, I get the feeling of Rowlet having quite high HP and being quite slow, with a decent Attack stat.
Litten would be the traditional frail Fire-starter with mixed offences.
Popplio I'd guess would have decent speed, with no other really stand-out stats - possibly decent bulk.

 

[yuoke]

I agree. I honestly don't understand why everyone makes such a big deal about it. Some designs work bipedal, some work quadrupedal. It will be the design that most works for it.



Whatever Game Freak decided it was going to be, I'm sure they'll make it work. You may not be able to imagine it as a biped now, but if they reveal it and it is, then you probably won't be able to imagine it any other way afterwards.

Eh not for me, at least in regards to emboar. I still don't like that they made pignite and emboar bipedal. I wanted it to turn into a boar like thing and become fire/ground or fire/dark. I still see fanart of it that I definitely would rather have.

 

[clbgolden12]

I agree. I honestly don't understand why everyone makes such a big deal about it. Some designs work bipedal, some work quadrupedal. It will be the design that most works for it.



Whatever Game Freak decided it was going to be, I'm sure they'll make it work. You may not be able to imagine it as a biped now, but if they reveal it and it is, then you probably won't be able to imagine it any other way afterwards.

Eh, given how I'm still not a fan on how Delphox turned out biped, I'm sure this time around may be the same (if Litten turns out to be biped, that is).

 

[Bguy7]

Eh not for me, at least in regards to emboar. I still don't like that they made pignite and emboar bipedal. I wanted it to turn into a boar like thing and become fire/ground or fire/dark. I still see fanart of it that I definitely would rather have.

For me personally I wasn't a fan of Tepig alone, and only decided to pick it once I saw Emboar. I really don't think they could have pulled of a quadruped boar Pokemon myself, or at least one that I would like.

 

[Gizmoa]

I agree. We have enough bipedal starters, lets go back to quad

Mostly, I just don't want to see a humanoid. Very few of the humanoid pokemon designs appeal to me and those that do I don't feel a desire to see similar pokemon made in the style again.... let me think which ones I like...
hitmonchan
machop line
kadabra+
mewtwo
blaziken (is okay but I wouldn't want another of that style really)
shiftry (though this starts to enter more of the imp zone)

... and I basically dislike all the others...

I could see Rowlet as a magician looking okay, but I would still rather have something majestic. Human-like just doesn't work with majestic.... that should be a new goal for Game Freak, find a way to make a Majestic human-form pokemon.

 

[yuoke]

Mostly, I just don't want to see a humanoid. Very few of the humanoid pokemon designs appeal to me.... let me think which ones I like...
hitmonchan
machop line
kadabra+
mewtwo
blaziken (is okay but I wouldn't want another of that style really)

... and I basically dislike all the others...

I could see Rowlet as a magician looking okay, but I would still rather have something majestic. Human-like just doesn't work with majestic.... that should be a new goal for Game Freak, find a way to make a Majestic human-form pokemon.

Well the did that for gardevoir.

 

[storm12]

I can understand the demand for Litten to remain quadrupedal. Many were disappointed when Fennekin's line evolved to be bipedal. It would really be refresh to see it happen, especially with Rowlet being the first avian Grass starter (and first avian Grass type) and Popplio being the first sprawling (that is, not bipedal or quadrupedal) Water type starter and sprawling starter in general. It also does just seem the most natural route for Litten by it's appearance but many felt the same with Fennekin. I would be really happy if non of the Starter's were part Fighting type this time round... otherwise that would be 5 gens in a row with a Fighting starter :L

Fairy on Popplio would be nice because of there is no precedence for a Fairy Starter (given it's only existed for one gen..), same with Fire/Poison Litten which would also be a brand new typing, though I am starting to see that Fire/Dark is more likely. I'm seeing those fur spikes on it's back becoming a mohawk later on.

I just had a random flashback to that XY trailer where Fennekin used Drain Punch... it didn't even end up learning Drain Punch in the game.... that was literally 100% trolling on Gamefreak's part. The sickos.

 

[Endless]

I just had a random flashback to that XY trailer where Fennekin used Drain Punch... it didn't even end up learning Drain Punch in the game.... that was literally 100% trolling on Gamefreak's part. The sickos.

Wasn't that Power-Up Punch? But yeah, it created a lot of concern and it sure was a weird move to showcase for Fennekin(I remember a lot of people speculating that it was some sort of spiritual punch), and it still is the only fully quadrupedal pokémon that learns it.

 

[knightwolf09]

Wait, I just realized. Someone pointed out that Litten might have a bomb concept to it, and I know in Japan it's based off a tabby cat but what if it's also based on another cat, a Bombay cat? Am I onto something or is it my punny mind?

 

[storm12]

Wait, I just realized. Someone pointed out that Litten might have a bomb concept to it, and I know in Japan it's based off a tabby cat but what if it's also based on another cat, a Bombay cat? Am I onto something or is it my punny mind?

I just literally saw some fanart of this concept! It would be very interesting! Also still allows for Fire/Poison combo. It's tail looks like an unlit fuse... It should have been called Unlitten XD