Starter Discussion & Thread

[TheFairyQueen]

It's the first time I have ever got a 'legitimate' feel coming from something that has not been confirmed otherwise.... weird.

It's funny how fakes go around alot as it allows us to see different designs from different people but when it comes down to the official artwork of said Pokemon , they sometimes fall behind in creativity thus leaving some fakes looking better than the official.

For example , A Robin Hood themed final evolution for Owlet, how awesome is that. Honestly , I cannot see Owlets final evo being based on anything else. Even if these do end up being fake , I believe Owlet's final evolution will be getting a Robin Hood element.

Litten, Litten, Litten... what can I say! I personally like the final evolution, it sure looks arrogant and confident. If only it isn't a part fighting type.

Now, Popplio's final evolution gets me thinking. Would GF really make a final evolution of a starter Pokemon that ummm, feminine? I can already see people quoting this and using Delphox as an argument, BUT let us remember that Delphox can be thought of as either a wizard (male) or a witch (female) so it is quite adaptable to both genders for a starter evolution.

I personally like Popplio's, but I think a transition from a clown based sea lion evolving into a majestic mermaid is a bit fishy.

Time will tell I guess.

I actually think Deplhox is the most masculine of its line and I think it actually suffers more for that. People love Braixen a lot (much more than delphox is seems) so I don't think it is the femininity thing that people have a problem with. Plus I wouldn't actually mind seeing the gender thing flipped the other way for a starter line for once. I mean Braixen had it going on but I really think they regressed Delphox from it out of fear that people wouldn't like a 'girly' starter and so we got the pokemon we did.

While I agree that I wouldn't imagine Popplio's evolution being anywhere near that graceful it's also not as if we haven't seen massive shifts in final forms before (Greninja and Samurott to name a few). While I do think these are fake I think it opens up some interesting discussions, plus I don't really hate any of them so that is a bonus if they turn out to be real.

 

[Huckleberry]

I'm actually a fan of these, fake or not. The Rowlet evolution is especially creative. Beyond the Robin Hood themes, I really like that his wings look like a cloak when held at his sides. Very nice.

 

[Bguy7]

Did you expect Tepig to become a bipedal wrestling boar?

Or did you expect Torchic to become wingless and part fighting type?

What about Oshawott into a Samurai Sea Lion?

Also I'd say the 'throwing knife feathers' could tie in with arrow feathers.

EDIT: Though I'm not saying these could be legit, highly likely they're fakes.

I'd argue that they all followed a certain logical pattern to a degree. Tepig to Emboar is probably about the same as Litten to the concept art, which I said was the only passable one. Oshawott to Samurott made sense with the progression of its shell as a blade. Torchic to Blaziken is the most random of the ones you pointed out, though I would argue that the difference between it and these new ones is that Blaziken was simply a change up, while the Rowlet and Popplio evolutions are complete departures from the themes present in the base stages.

 

[Aromatic Mist]

I'd argue that they all followed a certain logical pattern to a degree. Tepig to Emboar is probably about the same as Litten to the concept art, which I said was the only passable one. Oshawott to Samurott made sense with the progression of its shell as a blade. Torchic to Blaziken is the most random of the ones you pointed out, though I would argue that the difference between it and these new ones is that Blaziken was simply a change up, while the Rowlet and Popplio evolutions are complete departures from the themes present in the base stages.

Ah yes, the great leap that is projectile feathers to projectile feathers.

 

[Taodragon]

Umm....Guys, I think this might be worth discussing. Okay before you look at this, who remembers how Emboar and Samurott were leaked? It was from anime concept art, what I'm about to show is possibly the same. Though they're not that bad I mostly fear for GF if these are real.

http://imgur.com/a/xbYQ9 Stater Final evos

1. If you didn't like Delphox cause it's feminine then You're not gonna like this. Popplio's completely comes out of left field. Which is why I don't completely buy these, but GF have surprised us before and they do have that legit look to them. If this is real Popps is taking the selkie route, which would make Water/Fairy, which is what some people are theorizing.

2. Oh I can hear plane tickets being bought, pitch forks sharpened, and guns loaded. I personally think it's okay and will stick to Litten being my starter, but do GF really dare make another Fire/Fighting starter even though people were pleading not to. Though some of this does match that GF creativity and with my theory that Litten would grow angrier as it evolves, and what better way to express your anger than....fight.....uh oh.

3. I have to say this one's probably the best out the bunch. I mean it's a friggin Robin Hood archer owl, that's BA. And how it uses arrows matches that GF creativity. Darn, that seems too real. Thought it looks like it'll keep that Flying typing.

What do you guys think?

Names:

Ashike

Tora

Fukurou

I'm going to say they're fake, mostly because looking at some of the concept art for XY, it's too messy. There's too much clutter in those pictures, and I can't imagine that they'd drop the cleaner concepts that they had for the previous generation for what we're seeing with these images.

As for the starters themselves, Rowlet's looks good, Litten's OK, Fire/Fighting sucks, but at least the strongman concept is kind of cool, and I don't personally care for Popplio's.

 

[DSDark]

Umm....Guys, I think this might be worth discussing. Okay before you look at this, who remembers how Emboar and Samurott were leaked? It was from anime concept art, what I'm about to show is possibly the same. Though they're not that bad I mostly fear for GF if these are real.

http://imgur.com/a/xbYQ9 Stater Final evos

1. If you didn't like Delphox cause it's feminine then You're not gonna like this. Popplio's completely comes out of left field. Which is why I don't completely buy these, but GF have surprised us before and they do have that legit look to them. If this is real Popps is taking the selkie route, which would make Water/Fairy, which is what some people are theorizing.

2. Oh I can hear plane tickets being bought, pitch forks sharpened, and guns loaded. I personally think it's okay and will stick to Litten being my starter, but do GF really dare make another Fire/Fighting starter even though people were pleading not to. Though some of this does match that GF creativity and with my theory that Litten would grow angrier as it evolves, and what better way to express your anger than....fight.....uh oh.

3. I have to say this one's probably the best out the bunch. I mean it's a friggin Robin Hood archer owl, that's BA. And how it uses arrows matches that GF creativity. Darn, that seems too real. Thought it looks like it'll keep that Flying typing.

What do you guys think?

Names:

Ashike

Tora

Fukurou

Litten's final form reminds me too much of either a digimon or Emboar and I would be very disappointed if it ended up on two legs. It would be Fennekin all over again.

The Owl is okay but the bow is too specific to one move or one type of move. I would believe it more without the arrow wing thing

The water final is biggest clue that these are all fake. It's clearly to feminine to be a starter's final form. No pokemon ever that is both male and female has been that feminine in appearance.

 

[Tuoko]

I actually like all three.

Litten's and Popplio's would be tied for my favorites.

I can see Litten's being Fire/Dark. It sure doesn't look like it's fighting fairly.

They're from 4chan...isn't that already enough evidence that they are fake?
Plus since when is the japanese writing of GF artist so messy?
Plus starters are gender neutral in design, Sea Lion 3 is not (Delphox is not feminin it is a wizard. Do you call Merlin, Gandalf, Dumbledore feminin because of their robes?)

That is my opinion. We should treat them as every leak and "leak" fake until proven otherwise (confirmed by GF)

I actually really like that potential Popplio evolution even though it has nothing to do with anything 'Popplio' besides the overall body shape. And while I think it is way too 'gendered' for a starter... actually wait I take that back. All the other starters are leaned towards male (besides like Delphox) so screw it make it more girly! Add more bows and ribbons! Give it hot pink accents and visible make up markings on its face. Heck even flip the gender ratio on it.

What about Meganium?

Also yeah, I'd rather they make more feminine looking starters.

I'm still thinking Fire/Dark, seeing as the type of wrestling it's doing is the more "showman" sort, which is widely considered to be fake and filled with dirty tactics. Making it a dishonourable fighting style, hence Fire/Dark.

AKA I'm straw grasping, please don't make it a Fire/Fighting again.

Yeah, Fire/Dark would work for the reasons you've said. Even if it was Fire/Fighting, the design isn't that bad.

 

[Nunn]

I'd argue that they all followed a certain logical pattern to a degree. Tepig to Emboar is probably about the same as Litten to the concept art, which I said was the only passable one. Oshawott to Samurott made sense with the progression of its shell as a blade. Torchic to Blaziken is the most random of the ones you pointed out, though I would argue that the difference between it and these new ones is that Blaziken was simply a change up, while the Rowlet and Popplio evolutions are complete departures from the themes present in the base stages.

Putting aside if these are real or not. Basic stage starters tend to have weak or vague themes. Or themes that are gone entirely by the final form (Froakie and Frogadier's bubbles).

Litten is just a fire cat, it is said to have a specific personality, but that can change with evolution. It also has the oil in it's fur. Which you can see this alleged final evo spitting out. So this evolution works.

Rowlet is just a small grass owl. Though it has leaves that look like a bow-tie. That seems to be purely an aesthetic atm. And not part of a deeper theme. It's dex entry speaks about how it is stealthy, nocturnal and that it throws sharp leaves like knives. Which fits in with it's alleged final evo.

Popplio looks like it has a circus theme going on. It has the clown looking nose, neck frill and is said to be acrobatic in it's dex entry. I don't see why this alleged evo can't continue that theme. While it does have a mermaid theme going on, many acrobats wear elegant and whimsical outfits when they perform. So I don't see why popplio can't go from being a childish and playful acrobat. To an elegant and fantastical acrobat.

While we have no evidence to point to these being real. I don't think the designs themselves point to them not being real either.

 

[Lykouros]

As some others have said, this concept art looks too cluttered. Concept art's purpose is to show a few important characteristics and views of the subject. You can see this carried out well here:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_TaxahWwAAsbBC.png

You've got the most relevant poses, the notable features, and not much additional information. Concept art shouldn't overwhelm the viewer, as it's often what the artist presents before the piece is made final in the game.

But with the art we have of the supposed final evos, there is a lot going on. We don't need the information about Litten's final lying on the ground, spitting, or throwing things. We don't need the information about Rowlett's final evo doing seven different poses, etc.

 

[Nunn]

The water final is biggest clue that these are all fake. It's clearly to feminine to be a starter's final form. No pokemon ever that is both male and female has been that feminine in appearance.

Gardevoir, Braixen, Lopbunny and Aromatisse off the top of my head say hi.

 

[Bguy7]

Rowlet is just a small grass owl. Though it has leaves that look like a bow-tie. That seems to be purely an aesthetic atm. And not part of a deeper theme. It's dex entry speaks about how it is stealthy, nocturnal and that it throws sharp leaves like knives. Which fits in with it's alleged final evo.

My problem with the Rowlet one is why give it the bow tie at all in its first stage if its going to evolve into something that would make no sense to be wearing a bow-tie or anything similar.

Popplio looks like it has a circus theme going on. It has the clown looking nose, neck frill and is said to be acrobatic in it's dex entry. I don't see why this alleged evo can't continue that theme. While it does have a mermaid theme going on, many acrobats wear elegant and whimsical outfits when they perform. So I don't see why popplio can't go from being a childish and playful acrobat. To an elegant and fantastical acrobat.

Popplio, in my opinion at least, is perhaps the starter the shows a theme in its base form the strongest of all basic starters. I just can't for the life of me see why an acrobatic clown would become a mermaid.

 

[Huckleberry]

No pokemon ever that is both male and female has been that feminine in appearance.

*ahem* ;368; ;282; :549: among others.

I'm still thinking Fire/Dark, seeing as the type of wrestling it's doing is the more "showman" sort, which is widely considered to be fake and filled with dirty tactics. Making it a dishonourable fighting style, hence Fire/Dark.

I actually agree. There's a sketch of it hitting Pikachu with a table, that's not the honorable martial arts focus of the Fighting type. I can totally see a Fire/Dark typing there.

 

[Lucian947]

I actually like all of them and would be slightly disapointed if they turn out to be fake; at least if the real ones are worse than these, which they very well may be;

1.Rowlet's evolution is by far the coolest and I have nothing to complain about; and I can see the bowtie that Rowlet has turning into the big X that seems to close the feather "cloak"
of the final evolution; I also like how he can manipulate the feathers of the "hood" as well as the 3 big ones at the tip of it's wings in a way that resembels fingers;

2. Litten's evolution is not my cup of tea but the again neither were Emboar, Torterra and Venusaur; over time I came to accept and even like Torterra and Venusaur though to this day
I still find Emboar ugly; I will actually say that if this does indeed turn out to be Litten's final evolution in my eyes it is way better than ugly as Emboar (I still remember how I loved Tepig the first time I saw the gen 5 starters and then Pignite and Emboar came and I wanted to cry ); I do have to admit that the idea of fire from the belt is kind of weird
and just because it's standing on 2 feet doesn't automatically mean it will be Fire-Fighting, Fire-Dark is still a viable option as is pure Fire;

3. Popplio's evolution is very beautiful and I don't really mind that it is so feminine; if it tuns out to be real I will wonder how could the person who designed it and everyone who eventualy aproved the design could think that it could be male looking like this but in the end I'll accept it; whenever I'll use one I'll always use a female gender one as I have done for Delphox and for that matter Serperior as well, since to me these 2 always looked more feminine; on the flip side I also can't see how this potential final evolution of Litten can be female;
From what I can tell from the art I think it is a combination of both a mermaid and a siren since it seems to be singing which leads me to think that it may have acces to all sorts of song based moves; the first time I saw the art it imeadiately reminded me of the character Sarah from Kaleido Star; also based on this art I can only see it be pure Water , Water-Fairy or
Water-Psychic and if it does turn out to be Water-Fairy it will be funny since in the end it will probably be the most used 6 gen starter; of course this will depend on stats,movepool and abilities;

 

[Kendreigon]

I made an account on the forums solely to comment on these leaks.

Holy **** I DESPISE Litten's with every fiber of my being. It's like someone decided to piss off the entire fandom by making it bipedal and giving it a fire version of Machamp's belt. And it spews poison?? No please no anything but this.

Rowlet's is... interesting. I like the idea, but I'm not a fan of the execution, especially where the face is concerned. I was hoping for something very obviously-owl rather than a closable hoodie.

I actually like Popplio's. I'm down for a final being more gendered and mermaid-like but I'm biased. I'm also hella relieved that it dropped the clown theme. I can still see the mermaid thing being for entertainment though.

Aside from all that... I'm calling fake. Reasons?
- Too messy.
- "Confidential", but no copyright.
- Silliness for Litten's but none of the others.
- One of the images for Rowlet is missing the second hoodie string.
- No given names.

...part of me is calling fake because I really hate Litten's, though, I'll admit.

 

[Huckleberry]

on the flip side I also can't see how this potential final evolution of Litten can be female

You know, I was just thinking this same thing. Lots of folks complaining about the feminine form of the Popplio evo, but no one complaining that Litten's appears rather masculine. Double-standards anyone?!

I also really like the sketches of Rowlet's evo pulling its hood closed and the finger-like feathers. I'll be a little sad if these are fake. They're extremely well-crafted and I want the Rowlet evo so much!

 

[LockFelino]

You know, I was just thinking this same thing. Lots of folks complaining about the feminine form of the Popplio evo, but no one complaining that Litten's appears rather masculine. Double-standards anyone?!

The same can be said to the likes of Venusaur, Blastoise, Feraligatr, Swampert, Emboar, Torterra...

The list goes on really.

 

[Huckleberry]

The same can be said to the likes of Venusaur, Blastoise, Feraligatr, Swampert, Emboar, Torterra...

The list goes on really.

It's true. There are a number of pokemon that I prefer to have be either male or female because of their appearance, but that's a totally subjective thing. I like the Popplio evo personally. I think it's rather pretty and would really like to see it get a Water/Fairy typing if it's real. I'd also like to add that I think its design still resembles costumes that many performers like acrobats or gymnasts wear.

 

[Alexander18]

No doubt that the Alola starters can learn Grass Pledge, Fire Pledge and Water Pledge like the other starters. Most likely to learn Frenzy Plant, Blast Burn and Hydro Cannon in their final forms. The real final forms would probably be revealed before/after the games are released.

 

[Bariokie]

I hate all 3 of them lol

 

[knightwolf09]

I hate all 3 of them lol

Because they're not what you expect?