Starter Discussion & Thread

[pokemonbw01]

I think this is better:

Fire/ Dark Tiger (The first fire non-bipedal starter, yes Typhlosion doesn't count. And, cats can evolve into tigers if Nyabby really is the starter. We've had a fish evolve into octopus. Octillery!)
Grass/ Psychic Owl (Psychic part should have been done with Noctowl)
Water/ Fighting Sea Lion (It could have a horn to add on to the fighting factor rather than a bipedal hefty beast)

But if they want a new triangle introduced:

Fire/ Steel Tiger
Grass/ Fairy Owl
Water/ Fighting Sea Lion

 

[Aromatic Mist]

(It could have a horn to add on to the fighting factor rather than a bipedal hefty beast)

So Samurott?

I don't think they'll do another triangle, at least this Gen. The most likely reason X/Y had it because the starters were based off of the Fighter, Rogue, and Wizard, which can be roughly translated to Fighting/Dark/Psychic, which happens to be a triangle in the game.

 

[Dragon Pulse]

I don't want to see a starter to evolve into a Fighting-type this gen. Whether it be Grass, Fire or Water, I don't want to see it as a secondary type for any of them. It is far too repetitive and just shows how lazy they are by throwing the Fighting-type at any starter each gen. We've already had Blaziken, Infernape, Emboar and Chesnaught.

 

[knightwolf09]

I don't want to see a starter to evolve into a Fighting-type this gen. Whether it be Grass, Fire or Water, I don't want to see it as a secondary type for any of them. It is far too repetitive and just shows how lazy they are by throwing the Fighting-type at any starter each gen. We've already had Blaziken, Infernape, Emboar and Chesnaught.

But fighting types are effective. I don't think creativity or laziness have to be involved in it.

 

[Class Zero]

But fighting types are effective. I don't think creativity or laziness have to be involved in it.

It is a shame though, when you think that we could have possibly had some unique type combinations instead of getting 3 Fire/Fighting types.. I definitely think it needs to take a break for a generation or two.

 

[knightwolf09]

Been doing some deeper research for my bakeneko theory for Nyabby, and I found some interesting stuff that makes my guess stand strong on what it's evolutions could be based off of. I know I said earlier that it could be a bakeneko, but then I realized I was off and what I was looking for was a nekomata. Then I realized there have two pokemon that are already based on nekomata's and that's Espeon and Meowstic. So I was wondering how they could base it off one a third time without it looking the same as the other two, then I found this one.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotokoneko

A gotoneko. If you see that, these nekomatas LOVE fire, and ,if anything, is perfect to base a fire cat pokemon off it. Even more perfect, doesn't the illustration of it look like a tiger a bit? From a design standpoint it could be tricky to imagine.

 

[Aromatic Mist]

Been doing some deeper research for my bakeneko theory for Nyabby, and I found some interesting stuff that makes my guess stand strong on what it's evolutions could be based off of. I know I said earlier that it could be a bakeneko, but then I realized I was off and what I was looking for was a nekomata. Then I realized there have two pokemon that are already based on nekomata's and that's Espeon and Meowstic. So I was wondering how they could base it off one a third time without it looking the same as the other two, then I found this one.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotokoneko

A gotoneko. If you see that, these nekomatas LOVE fire, and ,if anything, is perfect to base a fire cat pokemon off it. Even more perfect, doesn't the illustration of it look like a tiger a bit? From a design standpoint it could be tricky to imagine.

IDK, I think the fact it'd be too much like Jibanyan from Yokai Watch would probably put GameFreak off of a feline yokai-based Fire-Type. I think if Nyabby is legit, it'll evolve into just a standard feline.

 

[knightwolf09]

IDK, I think the fact it'd be too much like Jibanyan from Yokai Watch would probably put GameFreak off of a feline yokai-based Fire-Type. I think if Nyabby is legit, it'll evolve into just a standard feline.

They could just go that route, yes. But let's face it, yokai-watch was a rip-off of pokemon anyway, and pokemon did nekomatas before them.

 

[clbgolden12]

IDK, I think the fact it'd be too much like Jibanyan from Yokai Watch would probably put GameFreak off of a feline yokai-based Fire-Type. I think if Nyabby is legit, it'll evolve into just a standard feline.

Given how Yokai-Watch included Baku, the Yokai Drowzee is based off, I don't see a problem with this.

Plus Yokai copied Pokemon.

With that said, I'd prefer Nyabby evolving into a tiger rather than Gotoneko.

 

[knightwolf09]

Given how Yokai-Watch included Baku, the Yokai Drowzee is based off, I don't see a problem with this.

Plus Yokai copied Pokemon.

With that said, I'd prefer Nyabby evolving into a tiger rather than Gotoneko.

Wouldn't mind either one personally. Just coming up with possibilities.

 

[Mrs. Oreo]

Technically Cephalopods are just "legs" attached to a head. Cephalopod even means "Head-Feet" in Greek. Also there are videos on youtube of them coming on land (though they move at a turtle's pace, but seeing as we have Squirtle I'm sure they can work something out)

I see. Well I suppose that a cephalopod starter pokemon might be able to walk on land if Gamefreak chooses to design Ashimari with that in mind, assuming it's even based on calamari.

 

[ninijatt]

IDK, I think the fact it'd be too much like Jibanyan from Yokai Watch would probably put GameFreak off of a feline yokai-based Fire-Type. I think if Nyabby is legit, it'll evolve into just a standard feline.

Keep in mind, Jibanyan is based on the nekomata. In fact, all yokai from Yokai Watch are based on, well yokai. There's no copyright for mythological creatures and inspiration will always been drawn from them.

Also, Espeon is also a nekomata.

Plus, Baku from Yokai Watch is the spitting image of Drowzee.

I really wish people would stop comparing Yokai Watch to Pokemon because the concept of collecting monsters is really the only similarity and that concept has been around long before Pokemon came to be.

 

[Arcanineblitz]

If there were no "patterns" or fan theorys about the starters what would you genuinly want the starters to be?

I'd personally love a squid water type a flamingo fire type that dances flamenco and grass raptor pokemon

 

[Gillachu]

I don't want to see a starter to evolve into a Fighting-type this gen. Whether it be Grass, Fire or Water, I don't want to see it as a secondary type for any of them. It is far too repetitive and just shows how lazy they are by throwing the Fighting-type at any starter each gen. We've already had Blaziken, Infernape, Emboar and Chesnaught.

I agree on that. GF needs to think outside the box and lose their Fighting-type fetish when it comes to Starter mons and come up with different type combos for the S&M Starters, like Grass/Fairy for the grass owl thingy.

 

[Aromatic Mist]

Keep in mind, Jibanyan is based on the nekomata. In fact, all yokai from Yokai Watch are based on, well yokai. There's no copyright for mythological creatures and inspiration will always been drawn from them.

Also, Espeon is also a nekomata.

Plus, Baku from Yokai Watch is the spitting image of Drowzee.

I really wish people would stop comparing Yokai Watch to Pokemon because the concept of collecting monsters is really the only similarity and that concept has been around long before Pokemon came to be.

The difference is, Jibanyan is the Mascot of Yokai Watch. I'm not saying GF can never no a multiple tailed cat yokai, just that it probably won't be fire for the same reason other games will avoid electric rodents.

 

[Orphalesion]

I think Grass/Fighting was a fairly unique type combination, only shared by a handful of pther pokemon and by none of the other starters. They don't need to banish the fighting type from the starter lines, they just need to avoid falling back on Fire/Fighting, at the very least for a while.

If the grass starter is indeed an owl, which I hope, then I hope for Grass/Psychic. Alternatively Grass/Dark. Grass/Steel might work too, particularly if it evolves into a terror bird (which I wouldn't mind) Of coure that'd give it a 4x weakness against fire :-\

I like the idea of a cute Fire/Fairy kitteh.

Right now I am unsure whether I'd prefer the sea lion or the cephalopod for the Water starter, I think the link of "foot->pod>cephalopod" is, once again, reaching quite a bit, but a squid starter would be cool as hell. Water/Psychic, perhaps?

 

[Class Zero]

I think Grass/Fighting was a fairly unique type combination, only shared by a handful of pther pokemon and by none of the other starters. They don't need to banish the fighting type from the starter lines, they just need to avoid falling back on Fire/Fighting, at the very least for a while.

I'd disagree with you here
I think that, for now, Fighting as a Starter sub-type should really take a break... it's less about wholly unique type combinations and moreso too many part-fighting's within the Starters as a group, especially with us having 4 in a row.

 

[lemoncatpower]

I'd disagree with you here
I think that, for now, Fighting as a Starter sub-type should really take a break... it's less about wholly unique type combinations and moreso too many part-fighting's within the Starters as a group, especially with us having 4 in a row.

They could have the worst fire type combo, whatever it is, fire/bug? idk, but I'd gladly take that over fire/fighting. If it is water/fighting though I'd be okay with it, since Poliwrath is the only water/fighting.
Although they definitely need to overuse another type now, or just dont overuse a type.

 

[Aromatic Mist]

I'd be okay with it, since Poliwrath is the only water/fighting.

Hopefully, they want overuse any type at all. I'm at least hoping they avoid Psychic, Dark, and Fighting, at least for this Gen.

 

[Munchy]

A Fire/Poison starter would be really interesting type wise. Assuming it's a cat or feline, maybe it could go on to evolve into a manticore sort of thing, which is something a lot of fans have been wanting anyway.