Starter Discussion & Thread

[Trainer Yusuf]

Spoiler: My two cents

-It is pretty obvious that all three middle-stages are the main event, not the starters. All three have stats that make them workable with Eviolite, with all three having unique moves and stat distributions that make them very viable.

I am very interested in how they turn out in FU/PU.

-All three starters are complete jokes in singles, but they have means of messing in VGCs. Primarina is a Sound-based move abuser, Dedicudeye bypasses Rocky Helmet shenanigans, and Incineroar has all the VGC moves plus Intimidate.

Of all the three I expect Choice Specs Primarina, Assault Vest Incineroar and Choice Band Dedicudeye to be very successful in NU, RU and PU respectively.

Regardless, I don't expect any of them to be significant successes or relevant in any way due to heavy offensive nature of the next metagame and future changes in abilities and such.

Edit: There are rumors of Eviolite being nerfed. If that's true, expect everyone to go to the trash bin.

 

[Zolar Czakl]

Does it really matter how good a starter is for the sake of choosing one at the beginning though? I mean, the Pokémon games are easy enough that you can easily get through the single player if you pick the worst one. And with online trading it's super easy to get one of the other two if you'd ever consider using them competitively.

If anything, it's better to pick the worst one, since that will actually give you a more of a challenge in the main game.

 

[GDK]

Could Incineroar be used like a defensive Arcanine (without a healing move that's unlikely but still) ?
I mean it gets will o wisp.
Could be really good.

 

[john90]

Spoiler: anchor type

The anchor is ghost/grass, AGAIN

 

[natie]

Wow, Torracat loses THIRTY points in speed when it evolves into Tony. Who knew Everstones would ever come in handy?

 

[2dtyplosion]

Kinda funny Decidueye actually turned out to be the fastest starter after all the speed shaming yesterday.

 

[Golden_Latias]

Well, these starters seem rather underwhelming competitively. :/ A bit disappointing, but I don't do competitive so it doesn't matter to me that much.

There's your catch for Primarina at least.

 

[BlackRaven]

still don't get how inciniroar is a dark type.

I like dark type, but I don't get why he's one....

 

[clbgolden12]

still don't get how inciniroar is a dark type.

I like dark type, but I don't get why he's one....

Because it's a Heel wrestler, which use dirty tactics and are typically seen as the "bad guys".

 

[Jason3b93]

About the starters, they are all very slow, but Decidueye seems to me to be the best one. I don't know, we have to test playing the actually game yet.

I voted for Litten, but I wish I could vote for Rowet now.
I loved Litten and Torracat, but I am not a fan of Inceneroar.
I loved Rowlet and Decidueye, but I hated Dartrix.
Overall, I prefer the owl evo-line better now.

 

[Chimchar15]

Incineroar having intimidate is decent. I mean I wish it got a new ability like the other two but it's still a good ability. Since rock, ground, and fighting are mostly physical intimidate helps out a lot. At the end of the day he has good offense and looks great so I'm happy.

 

[Gary_Oaks_Raticate]

What are Incineroar's base stats? I've been searching this thread with no luck trying to find the post or link

 

[SKyLineR32]

Disappointed that Primarina didn't end up getting Aurora Veil and I wish it got a bit more Defense and HP. But overall, I think it turned out fune. Hopefully, its HA will boost attacks like Pixilate does because it seems pointless otherwise.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

What are Incineroar's base stats? I've been searching this thread with no luck trying to find the post or link

95/115/90/80/90/60

 

[B. Thunder Tiger]

Pretty much called it that Incineroar was going to be fairly slow, trading speed for more power and defense, just like a actual wrestler. Also, Tigers aren't super fast beasts, at least not on the level of cheetahs, so the stat spread has some merit.

Goes nicely with my Iron Shirt reference/idea/speculation (Tiger Shouting Golden Bell Exercise)

 

[Chimchar15]

95/115/90/80/90/60

That's a pretty good stat spread if you ask me. I don't play competitively but it looks great for ingame. Good defenses and hp means he can take a hit and the high attack shows he'll come back swinging hard.

 

[SageofTruth]

Pretty much called it that Incineroar was going to be fairly slow, trading speed for more power and defense, just like a actual wrestler. Also, Tigers aren't super fast beasts, at least not on the level of cheetahs, so the stat spread has some merit.

Goes nicely with my Iron Shirt reference/idea/speculation (Tiger Shouting Golden Bell Exercise)

Incineroar just broke a sacredstarter tradition with the speed loss. When I was looking at torracat's stats , I was think "YEAAAAAAAAAA incineroar is about to be fast and furious" . Then my heart sunk when I saw it go to 60.


However, this Gen as a whole is very slow it seems. In a vaccum the starters are pretty good but once poke transfer is allowed, things get difficult for them. Z moves could be a saving grace though.

 

[john90]

Spoiler: DecidueyeVsAnchor

Decidueye: 78/107/75/100/100/70 cannot work on trick room, lack of physical bulk and of great attack.
Sea anchor 70/131/100/86/90/40 can work on Trick room and has great attack and good bulk.

Same move:

Anchor: Anchor Shot (with an ability that boosts steel move!)
The user entangles the target with its anchor chain\nwhile attacking. The target becomes unable to flee.
Steel
Physical
80 Power
100% Accuracy
20 PP
Adjacent Pokémon
Effect 384, similar to Spirit Shackle
Flags 0x49
Corkscrew Crash (160 Power)

Decidueye: Spirit Shackle
The user attacks while simultaneously stitching the\ntarget’s shadow to the ground to prevent the target\nfrom escaping.
Ghost
Physical
80 Power
100% Accuracy
10 PP
Adjacent Pokémon
Effect 384
Flags 0x48
Never-Ending Nightmare (160 Power)

Basically the anchor is the usable version of decidueye

 

[scififan21]

So it seems none of the starters final evos are very fast then? I like my pokes to be fast, but if the spreads are good that's fine.

 

[knightwolf09]

Okay, after the aneurysm of seeing the stats on every pokemon this gen, I've come into hesitant peace with it, and hope for the best of every pokemon this gen. As for my Incineroar, the best movset I'll have for it will be Darkest Lariat, Flame Charge, Bulk Up, Brick Break/Earthquake.