Malcolm Belmont
Banned
3 Rivals would be interesting but i think they will just stick to 2
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XXD17
Draco rex
There's a few things I'd have to disagree with you torterra does have good coverage but his speed stat makes him nearly unusable in competitive play unless you get rid of all the ice threats early on...
serperior, although it's my favorite pokemon is not very amazing in its current form right now...it has to reserve to being a fast wall which is cool...but even then it doesn't do that too well...it requires a lot of setting up to work...also, it doesn't really shine ingame...as for contrary though, that's a completely different story
meganium is meh...it's great that it is a semi-bulky wall with cleric abilities but it's outclassed by a lot of other pokes (also wall don't generally work well in game)...like cradily...or serperior (faster meganium without aromatherapy but rather a defense-boosting move)...also, mono grass isn't a very good defensive typing...which is the same problem serperior has...
Venusaur is probably ONE OF THE BEST STARTERS in competitive play at the moment (along with blaziken) thanks to chlorophyll...slap a wide lens on it in the sun and you'll be guaranteed a free boost with growth (via sleep powder) and then you can start solarbeaming/ giga draining everything...it's very intimidating considering that it can also get leech seed, sludge bomb, and EQ...it's defensive stats aren't bad as well...
You haven't mentioned sceptile but it too is a little lacking...it has amazing speed but it's just too frail...also, it can't really neutrally OKO without a boost or an item...I love it but it's outclassed..
It does seem that grass types are generally outclassed and it's true, I'm not hating on them, grass types are my second favorite type of pokemon...but they are just too vulnerable in the competitive field save ferrothorn...
That's why I'd want chespin to become grass/ rock...not a wall, but a sweeper...grass/ rock will give it some defensive leverage and just make it faster than torterra (like around blaziken's speed) and it could be a pretty effective pokemon...
dirkac
I smash your Boxes.
Really, I was only talking about Movesets, and e reason I said it was because the previous poster had already covered Sceptile.
Malcolm Belmont
Banned
I still really like using Spectile in battle..regardless at how good it is in Competitive Battling..it's just so fun to use which i've got to say is a exception because while i like using Grass starters..they are not really that fun to use.
dirkac
I smash your Boxes.
Where did you pull competetive battling out of my post.
And, I really like using Grass Types, It's the only Type I use in all my Teams.
XXD17
Draco rex
I feel ya...but you can't judge a pokemon based on movesets...there are a variety of pokemon that have huge movepools and are quite unusable in higher tiers (notable the likes of kecleon and castform)...look at serperior again, if it had better defensive stats and a better typing, then it would be a boss wall...it's got leech seed, coil, dragon tail, and leaf blade...it has all the moves it needs to be an effective wall...it's movepool is abysmal...even the contrary set, give it leaf storm, HP fire, dragon pulse, and giga drain/ leech seed and it has all it needs to potentially sweep...it doesn't need a lot of moves in its movepool but rather the right moves in its movepool...a classic example of not having the right moves is flareon...
yeah, serperior is definitely usable but it is considerable harder to use effectively then say ferrothorn or lilligant or even whimsicott...but it's definitely a cool pokemon...
as for torterra in TR, TR doesn't make up for its typing...ice shard will still 2HKO it (or even OHKO it)...from the likes of mamoswine, donphan, weavile, cloyster, etc...
Malcolm Belmont
Banned
Oh Sorry...my mistake..personally i am not a fan of competitive battling..
Elementman-Novapoke
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Right, haven't done predictions for a while, so...:
Fennekin:
I can see this becoming a special-orientated tank. High Special Attack, Above Average HP and Special Defense, Average Defense, Below Average Speed and Attack. I think we'll see it remain on all fours, and become very majestic looking. I do personally see Fennekin becoming part Psychic in the end, so alongside the standard Fire and Psychic attacks, I can see it also learning attacks such as Crunch, but also Beam-type moves, and other Special favourites, like Thunderbolt - be these by level up, TM, or Tutor. Wall moves, status inflicters and hazards could also be possibilities too.
Chespin:
More of an all-rounder, leaning in the physical direction. Not quite fast enough to be the world's best sweeper, but not defensive enough (and too fast) to be a true tank. High Attack, Above Average Speed and Defense, Average HP, Below Average Special Attack and Special Defense. Bipedal, Stocky (but not massively bulky) Mammal-thing. I can see it having large claws, so its movepool would have many cutting attacks. Body Slam, and other ramming moves might work here too. As well as flinch and paralysis inducing moves. I see either Grass / Dark or Grass / Steel being likely destinations. I wouldn't see Grass monotype as being the end of the world either.
Froakie:
Sweeper. Sweep sweep sweep. Capable of being either physical or special. High Speed, Above Average Attack and Special Attack (very little between the two, if at all), Average Special Defense, Below Average Defense and HP. Very lean, somewhat muscular, and the tallest of the three. Perhaps a small crown made out of bubbles on its head, and a proper moustache. I personally see Froakie becoming Water / Fighting, and so would give him a diverse movepool (much like Infernapes), with punches and kicks featuring heavily. A few wildcards, perhaps, like Aura Sphere, Ice Beam, Sludge Bomb and Uproar being around too.
I'd like it if these starters had their own signature moves that remained signature to them (I.E Leaf Blade not being available to loads of other Pokes (it felt like Sceptile's signature to me), or Blaze Kick or Muddy Water (please correct me if I'm wrong!) this time around! And decent ones too that are worth using, minimum of 80 Power, or something like that.
Fennekin:
I can see this becoming a special-orientated tank. High Special Attack, Above Average HP and Special Defense, Average Defense, Below Average Speed and Attack. I think we'll see it remain on all fours, and become very majestic looking. I do personally see Fennekin becoming part Psychic in the end, so alongside the standard Fire and Psychic attacks, I can see it also learning attacks such as Crunch, but also Beam-type moves, and other Special favourites, like Thunderbolt - be these by level up, TM, or Tutor. Wall moves, status inflicters and hazards could also be possibilities too.
Chespin:
More of an all-rounder, leaning in the physical direction. Not quite fast enough to be the world's best sweeper, but not defensive enough (and too fast) to be a true tank. High Attack, Above Average Speed and Defense, Average HP, Below Average Special Attack and Special Defense. Bipedal, Stocky (but not massively bulky) Mammal-thing. I can see it having large claws, so its movepool would have many cutting attacks. Body Slam, and other ramming moves might work here too. As well as flinch and paralysis inducing moves. I see either Grass / Dark or Grass / Steel being likely destinations. I wouldn't see Grass monotype as being the end of the world either.
Froakie:
Sweeper. Sweep sweep sweep. Capable of being either physical or special. High Speed, Above Average Attack and Special Attack (very little between the two, if at all), Average Special Defense, Below Average Defense and HP. Very lean, somewhat muscular, and the tallest of the three. Perhaps a small crown made out of bubbles on its head, and a proper moustache. I personally see Froakie becoming Water / Fighting, and so would give him a diverse movepool (much like Infernapes), with punches and kicks featuring heavily. A few wildcards, perhaps, like Aura Sphere, Ice Beam, Sludge Bomb and Uproar being around too.
I'd like it if these starters had their own signature moves that remained signature to them (I.E Leaf Blade not being available to loads of other Pokes (it felt like Sceptile's signature to me), or Blaze Kick or Muddy Water (please correct me if I'm wrong!) this time around! And decent ones too that are worth using, minimum of 80 Power, or something like that.
Fruty Sheep
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Signatures moves, uh? Why didn't that idea came to my mind? It would be wonderful! Predictable, but wonderful!
*PKMN Trainer Paddy*
#HORSEPOWER
You are the same as most people
. But how mad would you guys be if fennekin did turn out to be fire/fighting? I personally would be very angry as it most likely would end up being physical and that would MOST LIKELY be very muscular and maybe bipedal, this would be a real shame as fennekin looks like it should be a special attacker. Aside from that, it would mean that FOUR fire starters in a row would be fire/fighting.
Nacreous
Fire trainer
You are the same as most people
I personally would be very angry as it most likely would end up being physical and that would MOST LIKELY be very muscular and maybe bipedal, this would be a real shame as fennekin looks like it should be a special attacker. Aside from that, it would mean that FOUR fire starters in a row would be fire/fighting.
Maybe it's like a default thing right now...every Fire starter has to have Fighting as its secondary type.
The Head Honchkrow
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Crimson_Blazer
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I wouldn't mind fire/fighting again, as long as it gets something better than arm thrust through level up... Having to use a move tutor for superpower or a heart scale for hammer arm on emboar was really wasteful, should've learned it through level up, a speedy powerhouse like infernape would be cool, emboar has massive HP but is defenses...ouch
Fruty Sheep
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*Teasing tone* Just look at Fennekin, and tell with straitgh face that you think is going to be a Fire/Fighting Type Pokemon. It's obvious that it doesn't look physicaly strong.
Dragalge
"Orange" Magical Girl
I want Fennekin to be Fire/Fighting. Plus the typing isn't that overused, hell we had nine Grass/Poison types in gen one.
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
Don't look here.
There was a list posted. Not sure if it was april fools or whatever. I really loved the idea of Fennekin's final form being a sphinx like creature. Sphinox is the oppisite, being vastly different to Fennekin. As the name implies it starts to look like a Sphinx, it's fur becomes a light orange/beige colour giving it a somewhat rock like apperence and the orange parts darken and it's expression is, how do you discribe that, similar to Serpeior.
Would be cool! http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/60943/t1821366-official-rumor-thread/19.htm
Would be cool! http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/60943/t1821366-official-rumor-thread/19.htm
Fruty Sheep
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If Fennekin is going to evole into a sphinx-like Pokemon, it could be a Fire/Ground Type Pokemon, couldn't it?
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I would think so. Makes more sense than Fire/Psychic, if it does end up becoming Sphinx like.
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
Don't look here.
^ Or fire psychic? Personally I would like both. Fire psychic is more likely. Fire ghost would be amazing also. Only the Litwick line currently shares it.
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