I still think he's adorable. And I never said that that Jigglypuff was menacing. I don't really find many Pokemon menacing. God forbid I think the blind little dinosaur is cute
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Starter Speculation/Discussion Thread
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I still think he's adorable. And I never said that that Jigglypuff was menacing. I don't really find many Pokemon menacing. God forbid I think the blind little dinosaur is cute
mew 2000
Shiny Celebi
Now it comes and goes. It's entertaining :O
awesome still like chespin the most though
CrusherTheFeraligatr
Strider: Spider King
I too would love to know when they'll be released. I want my shell armor samurott.
And I'm honored to be a part of your signature.
Locormus
Can we please get the older, old forum back?
That's never gonna happen any time soon. I'm already dreading whatever statdrop-moves Malamar is going to get. Oh well, aside from Psycho Boost, there aren't any Dark/Psychic-type moves that have a negative stat-effect which also do damage to the opponent, so unless they conjure up a Dark-type Leaf Storm, I don't think it will be much of an issue.. It isn't likely for it to learn Psycho Boost anyway..
That's horrendous.. o.0
I never said you said that Jigglypuff was menacing. I just replied to the question: How is this menacing. I juxtaposed some characteristics with the polar opposites and that's the conclusion that rolled out.
Deino: Sharp edged and dark colored.
Opposite traits: Round edged and light colored.
Pokemon matching those opposite traits: Jigglypuff/Marill/Swablu
Opposite marker of 'menacing': Cute
You can only come to the conclusion that when comparing Deino, to something that has polar opposite traits (like Jigglypuff/Marill and Swablu) that it does look menacing. You may find it adorable, but it has menacing traits in comparison and doesn't fit the typical 'cute'-description. Again, just answering a question in an organized structure, not saying that you finding the Deino adorable is unthinkable...
ToeyJoey
The Count
I know, I couldn't believe it when I went to check. I felt sure there'd be one with at least "middling" speed...
mapachatumbili
Pokenerd
Really for the water starter to be considered fast, it would have to have a minimum of 100 base speed. Charizard and Typhlosion have 100 base speed, Sceptile has 120 base speed, Infernape has 108 base speed, and Serperior has 113 base speed. Base 100 speed is generally considered the benchmark as a lot of powerful pokemon start at that speed or higher (Salamence, Infernape, Garchomp, Staraptor, 3 Muskeeteers).
Something else I realized though. If Froakie is a fast physical water, then it competes with Floatzel, and if it is a fast special water, it competes with Starmie. Hopefully Froakie's evo has good stats on both sides.
mapachatumbili
Pokenerd
I somewhat know how you feel. The main issue that I had with the 5th gen starters is the "been there, done that" kind of feeling. Emboar (my favorite of the Unova starters) felt like a poor man's Blaziken and Infernape fusion, with the only notable difference being that Emboar gets Scald and could make use of Flame Charge (Infernape is kinda too frail to use it, Blaziken as well, just not quite as much). Serperior also gave me a poor man's Meganium/Sceptile with Meganium's defenses and Sceptile's speed, but bad coverage compared to the two. As for Samurott, it reminded me of all of the past water starters (a bulky water type), and I quickly got bored with it (although Revenge is a nice touch).
Now while I have never dropped a starter, BW1 was the first time I dropped the regional bird. Unfeazant was such a disappointment ingame.
Now while I have never dropped a starter, BW1 was the first time I dropped the regional bird. Unfeazant was such a disappointment ingame.
really last gen that was all the starters were goods for. they were not very good pokemon at all. hopefully, they'll be better this generation.
I agree..honestly i think that the starters's movesets should be very different from the previous gen starters
Well nothing has been confirmed yet so people are still going to speculate. Also when did having low HP guarantee high Speed?
ToeyJoey
The Count
It gives it a better chance because the stats have to go somewhere?
Well the base forms have sometimes contradicted what they will be by their final forms. We don;t know for sure if or even how fast Froakie will be so the others can still discuss it if they want to.
For all we know, its HP and Speed could be low, but the rest of it stats are really good. By using the average change in percentage of HP from the base form to the final form for the starters (52.7%), Froakie's final evo will have a base HP of around 78. Blaziken has 80 HP, but has a slightly less than ideal 80 Speed (it would be out sped by a lot of Pokemon if not for Speed Boost). What gives it at BST of 530 is its 120 Attack and 110 Sp Attack. And, Mandibuzz has a base HP of 110, but the same base Speed as Blaziken.
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MidnightFennekin
Unwashed skank
How about this!;
Okay, so in its first form, Froakie is very good at manipulating water, and is powerful!
In its second form, Froakie is a master at manipulating water, its power is greater, and it can now use Fire-Type and Ground-Type move, and dabbles in Flying-Type moves.
In its final form, Froakie's 'head stripe' becomes an arrow shape to show it has now mastered Flying-Type moves, and it has mastered all fourbeding techniques elemental types?
All we need is Fennekin to stay pure Fire that is used as a police dog, and Chespin becoming a innocent Grass/Ground...
Okay, so in its first form, Froakie is very good at manipulating water, and is powerful!
In its second form, Froakie is a master at manipulating water, its power is greater, and it can now use Fire-Type and Ground-Type move, and dabbles in Flying-Type moves.
In its final form, Froakie's 'head stripe' becomes an arrow shape to show it has now mastered Flying-Type moves, and it has mastered all four
All we need is Fennekin to stay pure Fire that is used as a police dog, and Chespin becoming a innocent Grass/Ground...
The starter with the lowest HP has invariably become the fastest starter of the generation. Based on its HP at level 50 in the battles we've Froakie's HP is about 40-41 maximum. That's very similar to Cyndaquil, Treecko and Charmander and even less than Chimchar and Snivy.
Based on this it's very likely Froakie will be the fast starter.
Oh, and as for Blaziken, it still had higher HP than Sceptile in the end, and started with higher base HP as a Torchic. There's no doubt that a starter's stats can be close to eachother. Empoleon is only faster than Torterra by 4 base speed. Blastoise only has 5 more Spdef than Venusaur. However, the starters still fall into their roles as dictated by their first evolution's base stats.
My point was that just because it has relatively low HP, does not mean that it will be really fast. I agree that it does make it more likely, but not guaranteed. I'd say a more accurate chance would be about 75-80%
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