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Strength of the Recurring Characters and their Pokemon?

Discussion in 'Animé Spoilers' started by thunderblade12, Aug 13, 2012.

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  1. thunderblade12

    thunderblade12 Well-Known Member

    A lot of Ash's reserves are getting minimal screen time and many of the rivals are being treated like crap, but do you think their current treatment is enough for them to be considered decent battlers? If the saga were to end right here, do you think Ash's Boldore would go down as a powerhouse in our memories or as another poorly treated reserve?


    Burgundy lost all of her on screen battles, but if the battles are actually examined instead of just paying attention to the end result maybe she's not such a lost cause after all?

    In her battle against Cilan, her Dewott actually did pretty well. It wasn't dominated by Dwebble. Dewott would have one-hit KOed Dwebble with Aqua Pulse if not for Sturdy provided that it works the same way it does in the games. And it was after Dwebble's Shell Smash that Dewott fell (I don't think anything has survived Dwebble/Crustle's Shell Smash yet) Dwebble's such a powerful pokemon that it earned the nickname Zeustle on these forums, so holding it's own against a pokemon like that is pretty impressive. Her Sawsbuck fared a bit worst and was kind of demolished by Pansage.

    In her battle against Ash her Stoutland actually put up a decent fight against Palpitoad. Palpitoad went on to defeat a pokemon that swept three of Bianca's pokemon soon after.

    Dewott failed again against Iris, but put up a decent fight. Iris vs Burgundy is probably one the my favorite battles in Best Wishes. It wasn't short and brushed under the rug like many other battles in this saga. Excadrill seems like one of the strongest members of the main cast and had already beaten over 100 pokemon before that battle. Dewott actually seemed to be even with Excadrill fr a while. Pretty impressive.

    And Burgundy vs Trip was an abortion of a battle. Darmanitan falling to an attack it had resistance to in one hit makes it her weakest pokemon in my opinion.

    So for Burgundy her Dewott, and to a lesser extent Stoutland, may actually be competent battlers. Her other two (if they're ever even seen again) need work.
     
  2. LizardonX

    LizardonX Banned

    Sawk and emboar were the only two that truly impressedme.
     
  3. thunderblade12

    thunderblade12 Well-Known Member

    What in the Donamite or in the entire saga?
     
  4. Airi-Chan

    Airi-Chan Falling Roses

    Trip and Serperior, of course~!
     
  5. OnceUponATime

    OnceUponATime Wicked

    I like Bianca with all three of hers, Georgia with Vanilluxe, and Burgundy and Dewott.
     
  6. G50

    G50 No longer posting

    Sawk, Emboar, and Beartic have impressed me of the recurring Characters' Pokemon.

    They've been the strongest of the pokemon.
     
  7. thunderblade12

    thunderblade12 Well-Known Member

    Sawk is probably one of the strongest pokemon belonging to a rival currently. Bianca's Emboar and Trip's Serperior/Frillish may be the only things that compare. Beartic is decent, but not amazing. I can't believe it lost so easily to Dragonite. I realize Dragonite's a pseudo-legendary, but there shouldn't be that sort of difference in power between it and Beartic. Especially sense Beartic has an overwhelming type advantage. None of Beartic's attacks seemed to hurt Dragonite at all, even Ice Beam barely phased it, and it only took one hit from Thunder Punch to subdue it. Tying against Excadrill made it seem good, sense it had a type disadvantage to two of it's attacks but that loss against Dragonite took it down a notch in my opinion. I think Excadrill would be able to beat it now.


    Ash's team

    Pikachu - Unlike in AG and DP, Pikachu doesn't seem to have had as much of a power degrade. It lost to Snivy, but that was explained by Zekrom disabling it's Electric attacks. It lost to Cress's Panpour but that was also justified by having it use Mud Sport. As usual the effect of an attack was greatly exaggerated (Mud Sport,) but that's nothing new. After that it's beaten something in every battle it's been in. It's not as strong as it was at the end of DP or AG obviously, but it's stronger than it was at the League in Hoenn or at the 6th/7th gym in Sinnoh. In AG Sceptile, Swellow and Corphish felt like the major powerhouses. Even Glalie seemed to be a better choice during the League. In DP Staraptor, Buizel, Infernape and Gliscor all seemed to be more reliable then Pikachu. As a Turtwig/Grotle, Torterra seemed tougher too. In BW Pikachu actually seems like Ash's "go to" pokemon again. Personally, I'm not a fan of this but that's for another thread.

    Oshawott - It seems pretty tough. It lost a few battles against pokemon it had an advantage against (Chili's Pansear/Bianca's dads' Darmanitan) but it won a few against pokemon it had a disadvantage against too (Stephan's Blitzle/Cilan's Pansage.) It seems to win more often then not and defeated other powerful pokemon like Ash's Palpitoad, Lenora's Watchog and Clay's Krokorok.

    Pignite - Probably the strongest of Ash's Unova pokemon. It constantly got wins as a Tepig. Aside from the major ones against Chili and Lenora it always got these odds and ends battles like Scrafty and Mandibuzz. It also lost it's fair share of battles as a Tepig, leading me to believe that Oshawott was actually stronger before it evolved. Most of those losses were to be foreseen so I don't count them against Tepig (Subway Twins are basically Frontier Brains, Druddigon is stronger and had an advantage and Dwebble used the strongest Rock type move.) After it evolved it seems like they're trying to turn it into another Charizard/Infernape. It's been a beast in every battle it's been in since then. In it's evolution episode it beat it's own evolution along with another pokemon in the same battle, it got another win against Brycen and a forth against Roxie. It just evolved but it's racking up wins as a Pignite quickly.

    Snivy - Ash's Snivy is a tough one to judge. When it was first caught it seemed like it could be the strongest member of the team. It beat it's own evolution, a pokemon belonging to Ash's main rival for the saga, and was acknowledged by that rival as Ash's only pokemon that was worth a a damn (along with Pikachu.) It already had a ton of powerful moves leading Cilan to believe that it ran away from a previous owner who it deemed too weak. After that everything went down hill. It's very similar to Buizel in that way. It was impressive that it beat Georgia's Pawniard sense it's attack were all not very effective against it and it was female and unaffected by Attract. It was treated very badly at Elesa's gym and with a 4X type advantage and ability to infatuate it's opponent in Clay's gym it didn't seem very impressive. It didn't hold it's own against Excadrill after beating Palpitoad either. It's win against Trip's Servine was also taken back when it ended up losing the rematch. That rematch made it seem like the only way it could win was Attract. Ash typically isn't too good with status moves (Synthesis) so I hope Snivy doesn't end up being one note by trying to rely on Attract. It seems to be a lot like Ash's Swellow too in that it seems to try to endure a type that it should have a disadvantage against. It held it's own against Bianca's Pignite and that wild Simisear and took an amazing amount of punishment from Heatmor and Emboar before falling. It has a lot of potential, we just need to see it in more battles.

    Scraggy - Has surprisingly become really strong. In it's first battle that wasn't training, it beat a fully evolved Flying type pokemon (Mandibuzz.) In the Donamite tournament it did great and got two more wins and it got a win in it's first gym battle ever.

    Unfezant - As a Pidove it seemed pitifully weak. During the 5 on 5 battle with Trip it was brushed off like nothing. And it never had another battle until like 60 episodes later. As a Tranquill and Unfezant it seems relatively strong. It took out two pokemon in the same gym, so right now it's at least up to the same level that Noctowl was in during Johto. It was taken out relatively easily by Koffing too though... Definitely not as good as Swellow or Staraptor yet. Probably one of Ash's weakest Unova pokemon with Snivy and Boldore.

    Boldore - It's in the exact same situation as Unfezant. Instead of beating two pokemon in one gym it beat one it had a disadvantage against. Boldore did take out Tepig and Oshawott as a Roggenrola but the battle against Oshawott wasn't really a serious one. It's probably about even with Unfezant. They both need to win their next battles

    Palpitoad - I don't think it's quite as low in rank on Ash's Unova team as Boldore and Unfezant, but it's not far behind. Like the two of them it had one impressive gym victory and got raped inthe battle against Roxie. Instead of beating a pokemon it had a disadvantage against or two in the same battle, it beat one that previously swept Bianca. I'm not saying any of Ash's current pokemon are "weak," just weaker then the others. Palpitoad beating Zebstrika solo is actually pretty impressive. I just think Ash's others have proven themselves a little bit more. Oshawott actually beat Palpitoad, so out of the two Water types it's clear which is stronger. It does have one thing that gives it an edge against Unfezant and Boldore, it won it's only other non-gym battle. For Unfezant it was the battle against Trip, for Boldore it was the one against Bianca and Juniper and for Palpitoad it was the Don Battle Tournament.

    Leavanny - This one is probably the strongest of all of Ash's reserves. Aside from Pignite I think it's his strongest Unova pokemon overall. In the battle against Burgh it took a lot of abuse from multiple attacks that were super-effective against it and ended up beating two pokemon that it was weak to. It took a lot of hits from Leavanny before actually fainting too. It stood up to Iris's Emolga despite another type disadvantage and was the only reserve to get a win at Roxie's gym (again, at a disadvantage.) And in the Junior Cup it got yet another win... at a disadvantage. If people would take a feminine-looking stick bug seriously I think Leavanny would be remembered as Ash's Unova powerhouse if the saga ended right here.

    Krookodile - It may tie with Leavanny. It did lose one battle without a win but it's taking down Iris's over-hyped Dragonite. And a win against Brycen's Beartic at a disadvantage can't be ignored.


    1. Pignite
    2. Leavanny
    3. Krookodile
    4. Pikachu
    5. Oshawott
    6. Scraggy
    7. Snivy
    8. Palpitoad
    9/10. Boldore and Unfezant
     
  8. G50

    G50 No longer posting

    Whoops, I did forget to say Serperior.

    Frillish has only been seen once with Trip, so not enough to judge by yet imo.
     
  9. Burgandy's Darmanitan is bad, so is Trip's Conkeldurr.

    I personally think most the rivals are being rushed, and have little to nothing to do with the development.
     
  10. It would probably be like this:

    Trip> Stephan> Georgia> Burgundy=Bianca

    No, I don't consider Bianca to be stronger than Burgundy, what of it? :)
     
  11. AceDetective

    AceDetective Banned

    bianca would probably be above Georgia but we all know your a bianca haters :p
     
  12. DMerle

    DMerle Guess who's back

    :p I get you dislike Bianca but Burgundy has never had an on-screen win so this is obviously a bad call.
     
  13. Pokeshippers

    Pokeshippers AAML Livin The Dream

    Trip (Obvious) > Stephan > Bianca > Georgia > Burgundy > NOBODY!
     
  14. Royal_Qeca

    Royal_Qeca Pokémon Blue

    In my opinion:

    1. Pikachu
    2. Pignite
    3. Krookodile
    4. Leavanny
    5. Unfezant
    6. Snivy
    7. Palpitoad
    8. Boldore
    9. Oshawott
    10. Scraggy
     
  15. Janovy

    Janovy Banned

    Agreed.

    Though Bianca beat Trip so nothing is certain at this point.
     
  16. Pokeshippers

    Pokeshippers AAML Livin The Dream

    In a 1v1, to be fair a 1v1 doesn't accurately gauge power levels, if anything it's more like a sudden death round.
     
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2012
  17. But she has won before.

    Off-screen doesn't make it any easier.

    I'm a haters? Most insulting thing I've evva been called. >:O
     
  18. Luthor

    Luthor Well-Known Member

    well both of them won off screen gym battles.Bianca won at least two of them in gyms before she met up with ash for the first time,burgundy only had one confirmed offscreen victory.
     
  19. At least Burgundy (most of the time) is a threat when she goes up against a main character and doesn't treat her pokemon like teddy bears. You can't say the same for Bianca, who usually just flails around until she loses/pulls a DEM bullcrap move and wins somehow.
     
  20. LizardonX

    LizardonX Banned

    The bisharp win was 100% legit
     
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