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Strongest Traveling Companions?

Strongest companions?


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Captain America X

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Emolga had two electric moves, Attract and Hidden Power. Those aren't SE

I could be wrong but I don't think Sawk's defenses would drop if Close Combat didn't make contact with Emolga
Ah,I thought she had a flying type move.Well I'll edit having the SE move.

Nope it made contact with all the Attracts and shattered them basically blocking them which lowered his defense.
 

Grey Wind

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Iris. She has the Pokemon, experience and the approval of Drayden so I think she comes out on top.

I'd be hesitant to put May and Dawn as the strongest, if only because they're both coordinators and don't have a lot of proper battling experience. If Brock focused on training I think he'd probably win, but he didn't so he won't, and Misty didn't battle all that much and the only Pokemon she has that stands out as powerful is Gyarados. Clemont has potential, but we're told more about his power than we're shown and his team isn't anything special aside from Luxray.

e: I forgot Cilan existed. He actually showed a lot of skill, but he only has three Pokemon and one of them never did anything.


I think Platinum Fan answers this the best though:

Whoever the plot favors during whatever battle.
 

Soniman

Break the Limit
Whoever the plot favors during whatever battle. That is the real answer. This anime is inconsistent so this is a impossible question to answer, so people will just say their favorites are the strongest.

Lol I dont get the purpose in giving unconstructive answers like these when you can give this answer for literraly any work of fiction that features Chartacters battling/fighting/participating in any sort of competitions.

Anyway I think May is the best battler, with Dawn a close second. Though honestly I could go either way on the two of them.

I'd be hesitant to put May and Dawn as the strongest, if only because they're both coordinators and don't have a lot of proper battling experience.

When will this assumption stop???
 
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Platinum fan.

RetiredPokemonMaster
Lol I dont get the purpose in giving unconstructive answers like these when you can give this answer for literraly any work of fiction that features Chartacters battling/fighting/participating in any sort of competitions.

Anyway I think May is the best battler, with Dawn a close second. Though honestly I could go either way on the two of them.



When will this assumption stop???

I gave that answer because it's the correct one. The keyword I said was "inconsistent" that's why Pikachu can beat a Regice and then turn around and get beat by Onix's screech. Don't anybody tell me that Onix is Regice level. There's no set power level in the world of Pokemon. And considering type advantage and training only seems to matter when the writers want it to matter, how can anyone really give a good answer on who's the strongest? If you are talking about who's battled the most, May and Dawn. Who's trained the most onscreen, May and Dawn. So going by that, those two. But we just saw with Dragonite, that means nothing.

By the way I did give actually answers.
 

Soniman

Break the Limit
I gave that answer because it's the correct one. The keyword I said was "inconsistent" that's why Pikachu can beat a Regice and then turn around and get beat by Onix's screech. Don't anybody tell me that Onix is Regice level. There's no set power level in the world of Pokemon. And considering type advantage and training only seems to matter when the writers want it to matter, how can anyone really give a good answer on who's the strongest? If you are talking about who's battled the most, May and Dawn. Who's trained the most onscreen, May and Dawn. So going by that, those two. But we just saw with Dragonite, that means nothing.

By the way I did give actually answers.

I guess that's true, when I thought more on it there's no real power scale asaide from evolutions and even that's broken frequentley when pre-evos beat them reguarly so as opposed to stuff like DBZ, Bleach, whatever there's no real rules in terms of judging strength of the Pokemon and the kill of the trainer.

That being said I dont think it's impossible to accuratley judge who is the strongest based on what we see of them in battles and stuff
 

pokemon fan 132

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Foreword:
My choices are based on amount of adaptability some displayed when facing unfamiliar pokemon or terrain, how quick and sharp minded he/she was in battles, achievements and future potential for Ash companion career or pokemon he/she has in his arsenal.

AS such top 3 trainers out of traveling friends are imo:

May/Haruka- its needed to take in account how contest battles and trainer battles are two entirely different things. Hence why there exists professional terms such as coordinator and pokemon trainer.

But while coordinators are usually more oriented toward mixing pokemon techniques to provide spectacle on stage and try to charm audience in utilizing pokemon moves in elegant, glamorous way while battling. Not being necessary to win through traditional knock out.

May always leaned as result of Ash influence on trainer side of spectrum. Having style of battling more focused on raw crude power, using opponent strategy against themselves and developing effective countermeasures to opposing moves. Lot of May battles were won more so on sheer strength and intention to quickly fnish fight by fainting opposing pokemon and result of that her pokemon team became more resiliant, stronger physically and robust.

With several evolutions such as Venusaur, Blaziken, Wartortle, Glaceon adding to that.

This worked against May career as coordinator costing her some matches, but it also gave her required backbone, strength in having knowlege and pokemon capable of holding their ground well enough not just in contests but normal battles as well posessing pretty advanced way of thinking and using pokemon productively.

May is therefore very balanced trainer.

Iris- people can have all kind of opinions about her. But theres no denying how Iris was bold, calculated and unorthodox trainer imo.She didnt relied so much on conventional strategies and traditions when duel between pokemon is formed. But more so on instincts, reading their inner emotions and strength trying to establish close mutual bond of thrust and appreciation between human and pokemon.

This can be noticed in trying to understand Dragonite vigorous nature when delivering chaos or so far biggest advancement she made. When she established harmonic synchronization in battle vs Clair in her special battling like one with her pokemon.

Granted she still didnt reached most optimal way to properly command Dragonite and work as team, but small significant steps are happening.

Iris was portrayed as prodigy and unfaltering trainer. And her 99 wins streak in dragon village, recognition she received from dragon Elder, dragon master himself Drayden, potential champion Alder noticed in her, win of Don George tournament and scoring fairly decent results in other ones all work in her favor backing this up.

Methods in what way some of her wins or pokemon are acquired may be subject of lot of fired up tensions and clash of different opinons.

But when looking at her team itself. Having basically dreadnought in form of Dragonite who is destroyer.

Or battle hardened veteran in form of Excadrill who has excellent defensive maneuvers, good balance and effective attacks.
Potential which Axew and Gible hides. In becoming respectable force to deal with if they reach final forms(because we all know how brutal Haxorous and Garchomp can be)regardleds of not seeming something special right now.

Gives Iris credencies to be sorted in upper half list of traveling companions as far as strength, skills and volition goes.


Misty/Kasumi-
Coverage on her is longer because i feel Misty skills are heavily understimated by fandom because of 2 things:

1.)-not being seen battling enough to show all of her tricks, understanding toward pokemon and craftiness.

2.)-because of Psyduck headache induced wins being spreaded wrong picture of Misty being "weak trainer" relying heavily on by chance situations. Which is far from truth.

Misty was actually pretty strong trainer who showed lot of promising potential to become recognized water specialist in world. Its also notable to say how her desire to reach E4 level of strength idolizing Lorelei and planning to become water pokemon master approaching to battling, copmpetition etc with great deal of passion, determination and compettive spirit ensured that she wasnt poushover working hard for any of her achievements wins and ambitions set in mind to achieve.

I mean for once she is gym leader already at age of 10(its overlooked how most gym leaders are teens and adults) already proving to have talent and compsure requied to hold this position. As such she is definitely getting quite alot of battling experience and ways to tune her strategies(because gym leaders battle almost on daily basis and based on her cameos Cerulean is crowded with challengers).

Maybe not as much as she could by traveling, entering toubnaments and finding ways to develp more complex techniques you cannot learn at gym.

But gym leader still train, battle, learn not being pushovers.

Misty showed ability to quickly learn and adapt to all kind of unfavorable situations having fast learning curve. Because if there was something Misty was known for was her sharp mind and ability to come up with creative ideas to find way out of dangerous/disadvantegous situations.

We can notice that in being able to tame disobedient pokemon and reach to its inner feelings establishing emotional conection with Gyarados who was completely furious. In much faster period of time than Ash did with Charizard, Dawn with Mamoswine or Iris with Dragonite.

Or being able to quickly adapt to underwater battling against Coastline leader Dorian scoring higher success there with water pokemon than Ash did.
For example.

Using creatively Staryu spinning in opposing direction to get pokemon out of Whirlpool, bubblebeam trap set up by Molly.

Her strategy and planning aheadwas reflection of pretty talented and intelligent trainer.


Because winning tournaments like Princess Festival which had over 100 hundred of participants, defeating champion of Seaking competition who held this place for years, defeating much older, more experienced trainers in Whirl Cup coming top 8(or top 4 based on new estimation by bulbapedia if different ranking system is applied)which was prestigious and gathered some of best trainers out there.

Successfuly passing inspection test being recognited by PIA insopector Joy as talented, perceptive trainer has to count for something.

Not to mention her pokemon team was pretty varied and interesting for water trainer.

Her powerhouse in form of Gyarados is guaranteed to be strong already proving itself when it defeated three Tentacruels without breaking sweat or colonel Hanson Shedinja. With Misty teaching him fire techniques to cover weakness to grass types providing additional protection beside protect.

Misty Corsola while small could deliver critical punch defeating much larger pokemon like Mantine, Trinity Gyarados, Delcatty etc.

Misty Staryu was able to defeat Marina Tentacruel with just one swift attack and held its ground against Molly mirage pokemon Mantine which as stated by Brock because of Unown are several times stronger than normal ones.
Proving to be much more resistant and stronger lasting longer than any of Brock pokemon who got quickly defeated by Molly.

Revealing that Misty pokemon are well trained and fairly resilient.

There is lot of untapped potential in Horsea which can evolve all the way to Kingdra becoming half dragon.
Azurill which can evolve to Azumarill with fairy type coverage giving it edge in battle against dragon pokemon.

There is Starmie whose full potential was never revealed holding respectable reputation as one of most practical and versatile pokemon out there.

Psyduck has massive psychic strength with his confusion and psychic being capable of whiping out just about any of other traveing companions pokemon with single blow.

Politoad already proved to be one of Misty most competent and strongest pokemon.

And before anyone tries to underestimate Luvdisc do take in account how that same Misty Luvdisc was able to defeat Mightiena and Sableye in teamwork with another one. Or how unlike in games Luvdisc in anime are nothing to laugh at with Juan Luvdisc destroying Ash Growyle and giving hard time to Corphish.

So with all said and done i would put Misty above Cilan, Clemont, Brock, Dawn and Serena honestly.

Who is best out of all 3 is debatable, but i definitely think Misty is on pair with May and Iris. Its also worth noting how only she and Iris defeated Ash in official battle.
 
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chalkus

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Its a tie between Dawn and Iris for me. Iris had that long winning streak and Dawn has shown to be really competent in battles and was pretty much even with Ash in their final battle against each other.

Mostly agree, though I think Dawn edges Iris just slightly. I think the order goes like this:

Dawn > Iris > Brock > Cilan > May > Clemont > Misty > Tracey > Bonnie > Serena

And I think it is nice to see Dawn winning this poll and Iris doing fairly well. Too often these polls devolve into popularity contests instead of answering the question at hand.
 

Afrodisiac

break up w yo gf, im bored
IMO:

Iris > May >>>>> Dawn > Brock > Misty > Clemont > Cilan > Serena > Tracey

Iris was the strongest, most independent individual and also had the better Pokémon & strategies. I'm sure when she shows up in XY she'll be much stronger & confident too. May is a close follow-up though, considering her progress after AG.

Dawn was never that strong. It goes to show the bias towards DP.
 
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Xuxuba

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May of course. Her battling skills matched Ash's at the end of the AG saga. Her blaziken was extremely OP.
Dawn might be better at Contests, but May is definetly better at battling.

Also you guys shouldn't stick to battle records. If someone defeats a noob 13 times doesn't mean this person is better than someone who defeated a strong trainer 5 times.
 

Captain America X

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May of course. Her battling skills matched Ash's at the end of the AG saga. Her blaziken was extremely OP.
Dawn might be better at Contests, but May is definetly better at battling.

Also you guys shouldn't stick to battle records. If someone defeats a noob 13 times doesn't mean this person is better than someone who defeated a strong trainer 5 times.

That was a contest battle where the rules are different than a normal battle meaning Ash couldn't fight like he usually does since he lost quite a number of points because of that and there was also a time limit .That's not even counting the type advantage Blaziken had over Sceptile with 2-3 fire type moves and Sceptile not even having one counter.
 

Xuxuba

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That was a contest battle where the rules are different than a normal battle meaning Ash couldn't fight like he usually does since he lost quite a number of points because of that and there was also a time limit .That's not even counting the type advantage Blaziken had over Sceptile with 2-3 fire type moves and Sceptile not even having one counter.
?? I didn't even mentioned that contest battle.
 

Xuxuba

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Oh I thought you were,since that was the only time we could gauge the difference in their battling skills.I apologize then for the misinterpretation.
No, i wasn't. I said that because of May's quick thinking and because of her team, i know contests battles are different from normal battles, that's why i said that she had more skills at battling than Dawn even though Dawn won against her on a contest battle.
Also why are you being sarcastic? "since that was the only time we could gauge the difference in their battling skills" You know some of those trainers didn't even battled against each other so obviously we are going to speculate about some things.
 
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pokemon fan 132

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Im actualy surprised that so many people evaluate someone battle skills based on how well traveling companion fared against Ash in battle, using him as index to measure someone strength, skills and perception in battles.

When they really shouldn't.

For example:
I noticed people using Dawn duel vs Ash in BW serues where Quillava and Pikachu were equal before Cynthia stopped match as: "proof how Dawn prowess as traner must be on Ash level".

Without taking in account how:
-Ash maturity and strength didnt seemed to be on same level as he used to have in DP
-outcome of battle was left open ended not being known who would have won that battle, and if it continued chances were higher that Ash would posssibly be winner

Same exact logic is used with May contest battle against Ash where Blaziken and Sceptile were more or less tied in points and impression they left on judges.

Again overlooking fact how unlike May Ash had type disadvantage in that match, yet his grass pokemon was still holding ground strong vs fully evolved fire type.
So its not much of accomplishment that Blaziken was tied, when it clearly struggled despite enormous advantage it had.

Or how rules in contest battle rounds are significantly different than normal trainer battles, thus limiting Ash options and syle of utilizing terrain and attacks gas he got accustomed to. Having to concern about time limit and executing attacks in flashy, prety manner to leave positive effect on audience and judges.

There is also Iris example. Using her win over Ash in finals of Club battle tournament when Excadrill outclassed Pikachu as proof how she is at least on his rank.

Being ignored how Excadrill had type advantage and Pikachu strength was downgraded compared to amount of energy and resistence it displayed in previous regions where it managed to stand up even to legendaries(Regice and Latias).

True of a part doesnt make something true as a whole.

Just because under controlled circumstances and varous factors being realigned May, Dawn or Iris were able to either defeat Ash or be on pair with him. Doesnt mean how their skills are indeed matching Ash's.

Otherwise going by that same logic, i could say Misty is on Ash level too regarding their abilities as trainer.

Because Misty defeated Ash in Whirl Cup.
(Poliwhirl defeated Totodile and Psyduck defeated Kingler with match ending 2-1 in her favor).
And had better record against unofficial gym leader Dorian than Ash did.

Yet no one use that as evidence which speak about "Misty power as trainer". Being viewed as "weak trainer" (i dont agree with that personally explaining already why, but this is what others believe).

Point is: Friends battle record against Ash isnt reliable way to measure someone strength, knowledge and creativity.

Especially when taken in account how strength of Ash pokemon fluctuate and his growth/strength as trainer can be inconsistent at times. For plot purposes.

Sure their win or good record when facing Ash may add up to traveling parners reputation depending on circumstances and whether this reflected positive on their careers or not.

But its far from reliable evidence on how strong his friends are in reality when we are talking about knowledge and craftsmanship of someone as battler.

Same goes for evolutions. Just because one companion have more fully evolved pokemon in their team than others, does not equal that person being necessarily stronger trainer.

Because skill isnt measured in how many final stage evolutions on paper you have, but on how well you can utilite them in battle canalizing strength in most optimal way. Nevertheless in this show it was proved countless times how unevolved pokemon can be just as strong, agile and spirited as evolved ones.

Ash proves that all the time.
 

phanpycross

God-king
Im actualy surprised that so many people evaluate someone battle skills based on how well traveling companion fared against Ash in battle, using him as index to measure someone strength, skills and perception in battles.
For the most part, I think people mainly bring it up because it's seen as their "shinning moment" as battlers, but it's certainly not the only thing taken into consideration.

People dont really bring Misty up as this powerhouse trainer because she was was just never remotely impressive. Ironically all her most impressive battles were against Ash as his worst as a trainer, and even then she lost even with the plot giving her benifits (pikachu refusing to battle, poliwag evolving etc.) aside from the whirl cup, where she was on her home field, and still only managed to beat Ash's weakest pokemon EVER, before needing psyduck hax and Ash going derp mode.
 

Captain America X

Well-Known Member
No, i wasn't. I said that because of May's quick thinking and because of her team, i know contests battles are different from normal battles, that's why i said that she had more skills at battling than Dawn even though Dawn won against her on a contest battle.
Also why are you being sarcastic? "since that was the only time we could gauge the difference in their battling skills" You know some of those trainers didn't even battled against each other so obviously we are going to speculate about some things.

I wasn't being sarcastic.
 

pokemon fan 132

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People dont really bring Misty up as this powerhouse trainer because she was was just never remotely impressive. Ironically all her most impressive battles were against Ash as his worst as a trainer, and even then she lost even with the plot giving her benifits (pikachu refusing to battle, poliwag evolving etc.) aside from the whirl cup, where she was on her home field, and still only managed to beat Ash's weakest pokemon EVER, before needing psyduck hax and Ash going derp mode.

Depends on what you define to be impressive.

It can be number of evolutions someone has in pokemon roaster, battle record. Type of tournaments or competitions spmepne entered and scored good result or type of trainer he/she batled against.

People often forgett how Original series came from 90's era where CGI effects wrent even aplied yet, animation was on lower level of quality, movepool of pokemon species was more limited in earlier generation games and writers werent as experienced in depicting battles in same detailed, diverse way like it became standard later on.

But is it fair to take this deficiencies as argument of Misty battle moments being less notable and valuable than its situation with new characters who were introduced in era where visual effects and style of writing when it comes to pokemon fighting was more flashy and eye pleasant?

Not, not really becasuse for back in day standards Misty wasnt portrayed as any less skilled, intelligent or innovative trainer than successors were if you ask me.

For instance she showed high level of adaptability and knpowledge when winning Princess tournament going all way to the top with pokemon types she never used before. Such as Vulpix, Pikachu, Bulbasaur from Ash/Brock.

Yea, you can argue those werent her pokemon. But it was Misty who made calls and choice of techniques there, and when taken in account how she was solely water specialist not training or practicing with other pokemon, her command and choice of attacks with different types was still fairly remarkable.

Misty defeated several years in a row champion Andreas at Seaking tournament despite Poliwhirl being at severe disadvantage against fully evoled form Poliwrath.

She put under control enraged Gyarados earning his thrust much faster than Ash did with Charizard, Iris with Dragonite, Dawn with Mamoswine etc. With PIA inspector Joy recognizing her potential as trainer and great level of understanding in knowing how to establish close bond with water pokemon. This was displayed in strong friendshgip she established with Marill from "Crying out Loud!" as well.

We saw her coming top 4 in Pokemon Athon race from Kanto, won Balloon race, won Alto Mare race, defeated several much older trainers than her or left positive impression on them.

Such as Keita and Farfetched, Harrison and Quilfish, Trinity and her Gyarados, Dorian and Mantine, guy with Delcatty, colonel Hanson and his Shedinja who was no match for Ash, Brock, May pokemon back than etc.

But no one really remembers those with Whirl Cup being only thing people acknowledge. Simply because Misty moments where she shined as trainer or person in actively searching for solutions to fix problems happened more in standalone episodes or when dangers of some sort occured.

Rather than in contests or tournaments which will always come first to people mind over anything else.

Hence explaining popular misconception of Misty only real achievement beng Whirl Cup circulating among fandom(which is far from truth).

Her skills were viewed as above average by several pokemon trainers out there with strength of her pokemon and resistance leaving positive remark. Such as gym leader Koga and sister Aya being astonished by unusually high power her Psyduck posess never seeing such huge psychic energy from that specie.

Water trainer Marina noticing how well trained and strong Misty Staryu was when it defeated Tentacruel with only one attack.

PIA inspector Joy being impressed by Misty quick thinking, determination, resourcefulness and improvisation in dealing with pressured situations having required skills and strength to be gym leader.

Brock younger brother Forest is often brought up as"special kid" because of being gym leader at such young age, yet its overlooked that this applies to Misty as well with not many trainers proving themselves to be capable of holding this position already at age of 10.


People talk about this huge battle abilities Brock has when it comes to pokemon and im not dyenying that. But have they ever bothered to compare moments where Misty and Brock innovation and resourcefulness as trainers was put to test?

Such as in pokemon 3rd movie and "Spell of Unown!" where Brock was quickly overpowered with Molly mirage pokemon who were multiple times stronger than normal ones.
Yet in battle aganst Misty, her pokemon like Staryu werent overpowered but held their ground against Molly pokemon like Mantine being on even field . Never mind fact that Misty showed more advanced level of strategy there than Brock did giving Molly run for her money.

Speaking of Ash, by time they faced in Whirl Cup Ash wasnt anymore rookie, He reached top 16 in Indigo league which was higher than his rival Gary achieved. Conquered Orange Islands league becoming its champion, won various competitions like PK1 Grand Prix, Tauros battling competition, Bug catching contest, Sumo conference Match, ended as runner up in Grass pokemon tournament etc.

So he was definitely not at his worst when facing Misty in second round of Whirl Cup, not counting preliminary battles.

Meaning that if other main characters battles against Ash can be described as "shining moments" and indication of their talent, than Misty win should not be devalued either.

As for battle record, first battle at gym in "Waterflowers of Cerulean City" was tied,. Misty defeated Butterfree with Staryu, Ash was about to defeat Starmie with Pidgeotto. Match unded unfinished.

In battle for Totodile Ash won, but barely. With Bulbasaur being on his last legs with solar beam being its saving grace.

In Whirl Cup, Ash may had lost to Psyduck because of his reckless nature and obliviousness but is there any guarantee how without Psyduck Misty had no chance in defeating Kingler. Especially when taken in account how she wanted to use Corsola with Psyduck sabotating her plans. That same Corsola which defeated Trinity Gyarados(trainer who ended as runner up in that tournament being fairly famous for her skills as trainer).

Likewise there is no evidence to support how Totodile is Ash "weakest" pokemon. Especially when it never had chance to be used after Johto to show his true potential like Ash other older pokemon like Heracross, Noctowl, Quilava, Torkoal etc. All received chance to be featured in newer regions.

Most of all Totodile wins over Kingdra, well trained Charizard in battle park or Harrison Sneasel dont give picture of being weakling.

p.s. It also passed around 10 years last time Misty was seen(last in person return happened in July 7th 2005. in main series), so we cant act like everyone else became better and she stagnated not improving, getting more powerful pokemon, developing more productive strategies and possibly collecting experience on solo journeys(if we take in account how she has higher dreams than to be gym leader) either.
 
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chalkus

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I noticed people using Dawn duel vs Ash in BW serues where Quillava and Pikachu were equal before Cynthia stopped match as: "proof how Dawn prowess as traner must be on Ash level".

Without taking in account how:
-Ash maturity and strength didnt seemed to be on same level as he used to have in DP
-outcome of battle was left open ended not being known who would have won that battle, and if it continued chances were higher that Ash would posssibly be winner
Irrelevant.

Same exact logic is used with May contest battle against Ash where Blaziken and Sceptile were more or less tied in points and impression they left on judges.

Again overlooking fact how unlike May Ash had type disadvantage in that match, yet his grass pokemon was still holding ground strong vs fully evolved fire type.
So its not much of accomplishment that Blaziken was tied, when it clearly struggled despite enormous advantage it had.

Or how rules in contest battle rounds are significantly different than normal trainer battles, thus limiting Ash options and syle of utilizing terrain and attacks gas he got accustomed to. Having to concern about time limit and executing attacks in flashy, prety manner to leave positive effect on audience and judges.
Personally, I think that battle said more about Ash's superior skills than May's because she was in her element (contests) and had type advantage and still could not win. Ash could NEVER beat Dawn in a contest battle.

There is also Iris example. Using her win over Ash in finals of Club battle tournament when Excadrill outclassed Pikachu as proof how she is at least on his rank.

Being ignored how Excadrill had type advantage and Pikachu strength was downgraded compared to amount of energy and resistence it displayed in previous regions where it managed to stand up even to legendaries(Regice and Latias).
How many times have we seen Ash with the type advantage over gym leaders, for example, and still pull off the win. Yet when he went against Iris, he was crushed.

Otherwise going by that same logic, i could say Misty is on Ash level too regarding their abilities as trainer.

Because Misty defeated Ash in Whirl Cup.
(Poliwhirl defeated Totodile and Psyduck defeated Kingler with match ending 2-1 in her favor).
Totodile sucked and kingler was way overrated so that doesn't mean much. Besides, the Whirl Cup was a B level nothing tournament anyway.


IMO:

May >>>>> Dawn
I see you like telling jokes.

Iris was the strongest, most independent individual and also had the better Pokémon & strategies. I'm sure when she shows up in XY she'll be much stronger & confident too.
Now you're making more sense.

May is a close follow-up though, considering her progress after AG.
Now you're telling jokes again. May's competition in Hoenn were a grown man who dressed like a 10 year old girl and an obnoxious pretty boy. They weren't quality trainers.

Dawn was never that strong. It goes to show the bias towards DP.

I've seen more anti-DP bias on this forum than pro DP, so I don't know what you're talking about.
 

Soniman

Break the Limit
I've seen more anti-DP bias on this forum than pro DP, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Well I suppose everyone needs a bias towards a series, yours seems to be AG if you making comments like this seriously.

Now you're telling jokes again. May's competition in Hoenn were a grown man who dressed like a 10 year old girl and an obnoxious pretty boy. They weren't quality trainers.
 
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