out of curiosity...are you for banning smogonfrog or against it?
From what I have seen Clone is massively against the ban. I guess he's either never played offence or balanced, never tried to build any of these, or thinks an endless cycle of adaptation and Greninja adapting back is healthy for the metagame.
No offence, clone, I'd just like to know why you think all of this or what you actually think about Greninja, and why you don't see it as unhealthy. Such an opinion genuinely makes no sense to me because the above statements are so clear and true to me.
Dunno why we bother anyway, Smogfrog is practically gone at this point lol. Arguing would be pointless.
Can you like, not answer questions not directed at you? Kthx I play offense and balance btw. It's all I play.
As for Greninja, all I know is that I don't find him OP. Whether or not I'm voting ban or no ban depends on the ladder.
i'm sorry cryssy. i just wanted to ask an active smogoner what's his opinion on all this. i for myself am against any banning except when it comes to the genies. i hate those cheeky bastards.
also...this guild has a lot of inner tensions.
Mate don't worry about it, it was more of directed at Mine and Clone.
Nothing more to say on the matter, since mms hit a fair chunk of my points.
Also so close to Tl2 wooo
Welcome Back Clone! =]
Mine, seriously, there is absolutely no need for you to be attacking Clone's opinion every time Greninja comes up. You guys don't agree, we get it. If you notice, Clone doesn't attack your opinion on the matter, or even question it much, likely because he knows that there are solid, logical arguments for both sides. You should show him the same courtesy. Publicly calling people out for their opinion and throwing around accusations and assumptions that have little to no ground isn't acceptable. Now that Greninja's being suspected, you've been basically waving it in the faces of anybody who isn't pro-ban like you and saying "I told you so!" and that's just plain childish. It would be best for everybody if you'd just quit it before you really upset somebody.
Please read my posts. I'm going to be honest and say that you really have misinterpreted them and you seem to be reacting to some sort of unintentional hostility. If that happened, I apologise, but reading over them I don't see the hostility I caused. It sounds more like I'm trying to have a civil discussion. Thanks.
I guess he's either never played offence or balanced, never tried to build any of these, or thinks an endless cycle of adaptation and Greninja adapting back is healthy for the metagame.
I've read your posts. I read them before I posted anything, like anyone with half a brain would. This, especially, is what I'm referring to:
You're basically accusing him of using nothing but stall, which, considering the fact that he plays offense and balance almost exclusively, and there are probably a hundred replays to prove this, is unfounded and ridiculous. You know this as well as I do, and yet you call him out for it anyway. Accusing him of not even having used the playstyles that Greninja affects most basically implies that he doesn't know what he's talking about, which is an incredibly rude thing to do. Clone is likely one of the most knowledgeable people about the OU metagame in the guild, for Christ's sake! That's not what most would call a "Civil discussion". In my mind, that's closer to firing lightly veiled insults based off his opinion. Besides, I'm not even referring entirely to this specifically. This stuff happens all the time with you, in the thread, on xat, anywhere! Whenever the word "Greninja" comes up it's like you have an insatiable need to make your opinion known for the umpteenth time and knock down anyone who doesn't share it. You even bring it up yourself on a regular basis. It's childish, and quite frankly it makes you a problem in both the xat and the thread. If you're going to talk about Greninja, back away from veiled insults and shoving your opinion down the throats of others, and make it into a real "Civil discussion".