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Sun & Moon Characters Speculation Thread

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Master Pikachu 11

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After watching the new episode we got today, a new theory came to my mind.
Kukui invited Ilima to participate in the Alola league when he finishes building it. So, after Ash and his classmates graduate, Kukui announces that the league will start in a certain amount of time. Ash starts travelling through Alola to train (maybe finishing his last/Poin trial) and the gang separates. Lillie travels with Ash. Kiawe intends to participate and goes to train. I would like to say that Mallow follows Kiawe but I see her more staying somewhere with Lana, while Sophocles might go to Molayne for a certain invention. During his travels, Ash and Lillie meet Hau who joins them. Then, they all reunite, few episodes before the Alola league starts.

Since the writers have forgotten Mallow and Sophocles in the background, this theory might return them developed, offscreen captures/evolutions/achievements.
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As of the new episode, we sort of have 3 Alola league participants confirmed so far: Ash, Gladion and Ilima.
I would like Acerola to be one of the participants as well, showing of Decidueye and his Z move. She already has a Mimikyum but if I'm not wrong, Mimikyu's Z-move is a Fairy type move.

She will not participate in the league because she is a member of the elite 4 and they are not suppose to compete in a tournament. I also still believe that Ash will still get Decidueye in the end.
 

ash&charizardfan

Humans are tools
I'm not saying that Rowlet will surely end up with Mallow, it was just subtle feeling I get in some moments.

Still, they at least have her do SOMETHING with her as a trainer. Even if she isn't a battler, at least play on that weakness and give her team different utilities and goals to vindicate it. Even Sophocles plays on that way better than her.

If Steenee learns status moves like Aromatherapy, she could make a more proactive Team Mom on the field for example, and if her Pokemon play more into her actual cooking goal that could give it way more charm and substance, especially if she catches more Pokemon or tutors them moves to accomplish that.

I feel like Mallow and Lana are the least developed in functions, at least trainer wise. Ash is the experienced brawn/leader, Kiawe is the lancer/Alola specialist, Lillie and Sophocles are the weaker brains. They have more defined ways they foil and assist the rest of the cast with their skills in both negatives and positives, while Lana and Mallow are just in a mediocre state right now.

No way are writers going to make ash trade off his starter with any other pokemon especially rowlet. As for rowlet staying in alola, if that was the case we could have some moments which foreshadow rowlet's release but so far it is not shown. If anything it looks more like a may-bulbasaur like condition where bulbbasur decided to join her on its wn accord and all others including venasaur was happy for that, rowlet also joined ash on his own accord on encouragement from toucannon.
 

Leonhart

Imagineer
She will not participate in the league because she is a member of the elite 4 and they are not suppose to compete in a tournament. I also still believe that Ash will still get Decidueye in the end.

Frankly, I wouldn't mind if Alola's League has a different set of rules than past Leagues and allows the Four Heavenly Kings to compete. Satoshi winning is laughable anyway, so he may as well lose in style against a top tier trainer like Acerola.
 

Zoruagible

Lover of underrated characters
Acerola entering the League would be fine.
They have to show off her being a strong trainer somehow. The Kahuna are supposed to be the strongest trainers in Alola, so Hala and Olivia get a pass. But Acerola is Ash's age... they'd have to show how somebody like her is eligible to be an Elite Four member
Acerola or Kahili kicking Ash out would be the best way to end things if they don't want Ash winning, at least he'd lose to a Elite Four member.... and a female trainer too, that'd be different.
 

RileyXY1

Young Battle Trainer
I don't think that Acerola will have Decidueye. She will most likely use Mimikium, and I don't think that she'll have 2 signature Z-Moves with the regular Ghost Z-Move on top of that.
 

Red and Blue

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So how do you guys think Ash will do against Nanu? Will he lose the first time or just win?

Personally I'm hoping for a loss
 

DatsRight

Well-Known Member
The thing about Nanu's face-off was that is was right in the middle of the main quest of the games, it was for the purpose of training and getting pumped up for stopping the bad guys. If they follow the same premise, I'm not sure if they'll want to break the flow by having Ash lose and have to rematch, unless they take advantage of the fact it wasn't as conventional a Kahuna battle.
 
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DatsRight

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I'd like a loss.

Anything to get more on-screen training for Ash's Pokemon.

In fairness we've had a valid amount of training from Ash's this series. Hell we've seen more cases of the Pokemon legit training and mastering an attack to get it than we have for most of the anime beforehand. They've also built up nicely to THREE different rival arcs, with Ash thus far still on the losing end of all of them (but getting better). A training episode for Rowlet would likely be priceless though.

I'm kinda hoping if the girls battle more then they get at least one clean loss. I don't want a repeat of Serena where they somehow go through the entire series bullet proof. I like Lana and Lillie got a training episode each.
 
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p96822

Evolve me please
In fairness we've had a valid amount of training from Ash's this series. Hell we've seen more cases of the Pokemon legit training and mastering an attack to get it than we have for most of the anime beforehand. They've also built up nicely to THREE different rival arcs, with Ash thus far still on the losing end of all of them (but getting better). A training episode for Rowlet would likely be priceless though.

I'm kinda hoping if the girls battle more then they get at least one clean loss. I don't want a repeat of Serena where they somehow go through the entire series bullet proof. I like Lana and Lillie got a training episode each.
You know that Serena did lose a battle to Shana so you’re wrong
 

AznKei

Dawn & Chloe by ddangbi
You know that Serena did lose a battle to Shana so you’re wrong
Was it during the Pokemon summer camp? There wasn't much going on in that battle.
 

DatsRight

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It was still ONE time her Pokemon ever took enough damage to faint (and since it was a team battle she still technically won). Considering how novice her skills were, how often she was made to battle, and the fact we're meant to buy she'd gotten enough experience to keep up with Ash by her last episode, that's still pretty laughable.

Since Serena it feels like they've went for the 'girls suffering ISN'T cool' mentality, only putting them in situations they can win with little to no retaliation (e.g. TR curb stomps) or calling off any tense battles or competitions that they'd logically have to lose or struggle in, which of course has led to a lot of what the girls do and how they progress to get dumbed down tremendously.

Say what you will about Ash's laxer quest and winning streak in SM, but he still looks like he's being challenged and forced to show improvement in many instances, not to mention he's allowed to fail miserably in other sports.

It's a shame, one of things contributing to Misty or Iris' development was that they were allowed "loser" roles (I mean, imagine how insufferable they would have been otherwise).
 
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AznKei

Dawn & Chloe by ddangbi
It was still ONE time her Pokemon ever took enough damage to faint (and since it was a team battle she still technically won). Considering how novice her skills were, how often she was made to battle, and the fact we're meant to buy she'd gotten enough experience to keep up with Ash by her last episode, that's still pretty laughable.

Since Serena it feels like they've went for the 'girls suffering ISN'T cool' mentality, only putting them in situations they can win with little to no retaliation (e.g. TR curb stomps) or calling off any tense battles or competitions that they'd logically have to lose or struggle in, which of course has led to a lot of what the girls do and how they progress to get dumbed down tremendously.
Um no, I was referring that Pokemon Summer Camp Day 1 episode, where Shauna, Trevor & Tierno were introduced. There was that beach part where Serena got nervous against Shauna because it was officially her 1st battle and then her Fennikin used Flamethrower while Shauna's Bulbasaur countered with Energy Ball. So Serena was surprised but her Fennekin didn't faint, as the scene was quickly followed by Trevor vs Clemont.
 

DatsRight

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Still not a loss.

Her track record is still ONE faint but by technicality ZERO losses.

I won't be surprised if the SM girls end up the same, bar maybe even that one faint (though them seldom battling in the first place at least makes it less ridiculous).
 
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AznKei

Dawn & Chloe by ddangbi
Still not a loss.

Her track record is still ONE faint but by technicality ZERO losses.

I won't be surprised if the SM girls end up the same, bar maybe even that one faint (though them seldom battling in the first place at least makes it less ridiculous).
They should let go of that "Girls can't take a loss" mentality. It wasn't a problem to see the girls losing in the games, but it's a problem in the anime. Is it because the target audience for the games and the anime are different?
 

1rkhachatryan

Call me Robert guys
I think we need to see all the SM girls in an official uninterrupted battle to see if they even wanna be battle trainers. As of right now, Lillie and Lana seem like they might given the proper goal and opportunity. Mallow on the other hand doesn't seem interested in pokemon at all tbh. The only time we see her use Steenee is when she's forced to fight TR or a villain. I can't even picture her going up to someone and wanting to battle them.
 

Shadao

Aim to be a Pokémon Master
Still not a loss.

Her track record is still ONE faint but by technicality ZERO losses.

I won't be surprised if the SM girls end up the same, bar maybe even that one faint (though them seldom battling in the first place at least makes it less ridiculous).

By all accounts, Serena herself ran out of Pokémon and thus is unable to continue. I consider it to be a personal loss to her since she is unable to continue and contribute to the Triple Battle while Ash does the heavy lifting.

Technicality means little if you go below the surface details.

And given how many characters there are in SM, I am not surprised if some are just demoted to the background. Mallow doesn't stand out from the likes of Lana and Lillie.
 

DatsRight

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It was still a technical loss, and a SINGLE one throughout the entire series at that. As little and as minimal as they HAD to put in to keep the character fallible. Same for only losing two showcases in spurious manners she wasn't outperformed, or Serena's last match with Ash having at least some halfway good tactics and resilience for once, they knew that the situation required they HAD to put in some token substance, and even then they called it off as soon as they knew Serena would have to get stomped.

A character being protected from losing their entire arc besides maybe ONE token moment still isn't that palpable. Losing or struggling is key to a character growing or looking sympathetic. You can be a laughable winner or put up an amazing losing battle.
 
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