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Sun & Moon Pokémon Speculation Thread

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ShadowForce720

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Alolan forms are regional variants of Gen 1. Does they have a different Pokedex number or entry? No. They are the same Gen 1 Pokemon whose biology and type differs due to different environment. Mega Evolution ae more powerful forms of a Pokemon which are temporary. Alolan forms aren't temporary, but they still aren't Gen 7 Pokemon separately, they are regional variants. I personally think it's very unlikely that Ash will get an Alolan Pokemon.

It differs enough that they are gen 7 pokemon, the reason there like the way they are is because of how they evolve in Alola region so yes they are gen 7 pokemon as they never existed before gen 7 and they can't revert back to their original forms that existed before gen 7, so they are gen 7 pokemon. So they evolved from Gen 1 pokemon that doesn't make them any less of gen 7 pokemon then the other gen 7 pokemon.

The big difference between Mega Evolution and Alolan Forms are Mega Evolution is temporary where the pokemon can revert back to it's original form where as Alolan Forms have no way of reverting back to their original forms, and Alolan Forms will advertise gen 7 as much as the other gen 7 pokemon do because they are gen 7 pokemon. Being a past gen pokemon would imply that you could catch a Alolan form and previous games and that they existed before gen 7 which isn't the case, so no matter how you look at it they are gen 7 pokemon.
 
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Satomine Night

The Power of Z!
It differs enough that they are gen 7 pokemon, the reason there like they way they are is because of how they evolve in Alola region so yes they are gen 7 pokemon as they never existed before gen 7 and they can't revert back to their original forms that existed before gen 7, so they are gen 7 pokemon.

Alolan form Pokémon are Gen VII Pokémon, yes, but they are regional forms of previous generation Pokémon. That is the main reason I don't think Ash will catch an Alolan form Pokémon. Lillie is getting an Alolan Vulpix (unless the writers pull a fast one on us), and Ash's other friends might get Alolan form Pokémon, but I don't think Ash himself will. I think the writers will limit his team to completely new Pokémon.
 

ShadowForce720

Well-Known Member
Alolan form Pokémon are Gen VII Pokémon, yes, but they are regional forms of previous generation Pokémon. That is the main reason I don't think Ash will catch an Alolan form Pokémon. Lillie is getting an Alolan Vulpix (unless the writers pull a fast one on us), and Ash's other friends might get Alolan form Pokémon, but I don't think Ash himself will. I think the writers will limit his team to completely new Pokémon.

Them being regional forms of previous gen pokemon would not stop Ash from getting them and plus like you said they are gen 7 pokemon, and plus it's not like there was any opportunity to get say like Alolan Sandshrew/ Alolan Sandslash as it didn't exist before now, I don't see why every character but Ash could get a Alola form but suddenly when it comes to Ash it's suddenly unlikely. Alolan forms have just as much of a chance of getting caught by Ash as the other gen 7 pokemon do, and they advertise gen 7 just as much. Plus being connected to a past gen pokemon hasn't stop Ash from getting a current gen pokemon before.

For example just because Gliscor evolved from a past gen pokemon that did not stop Ash from getting it. While it is true that in terms of National Dex number and name they share that with there original forms, but besides that they are different enough in type and biology from the original forms that they can't revert back to the point that they are gen 7 pokemon and have just as much chance of getting caught by Ash as the other gen 7 pokemon.

Also if we really get down to it the main reason people are saying that they think that Ash won't get a Alolan form because the Alolan forms happen to share the same national dex number and name as the original form however if say Alolan Sandslash was introduce as a branch evolution to Sandshrew and had a different national dex number and was call Snowslash or if Alolan Exeggutor was consider a branch evolution to Exeggucute and called by a different name then no one would really be trying to say that Ash couldn't get one because of it being related to an past gen pokemon.

So I seriously doubt that just because Alolan forms happen to be related to past gen pokemon that it would somehow prevent Ash from capturing them.
 
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345ash-greninja

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Them being regional forms of previous gen pokemon would not stop Ash from getting them and plus like you said they are gen 7 pokemon, and plus it's not like there was any opportunity to get say like Alolan Sandshrew/ Alolan Sandslash as it didn't exist before now, I don't see why every character but Ash could get a Alola form but suddenly when it comes to Ash it's suddenly unlikely. Alolan forms have just as much of a chance of getting caught by Ash as the other gen 7 pokemon do, and they advertise gen 7 just as much. Plus being connected to a past gen pokemon hasn't stop Ash from getting a current gen pokemon before.

For example just because Gliscor evolved from a past gen pokemon that did not stop Ash from getting it. While it is true that in terms of National Dex number and name they share that with there original forms, but besides that they are different enough in type and biology from the original forms that they can't revert back to that they are gen 7 pokemon and have just as much chance of getting caught by Ash as the other gen 7 pokemon.

Also if we really get down to it the main reason people are saying that they think that Ash won't get a Alolan form because the Alolan forms happen to share the same national dex number and name as the original form however if say Alolan Sandslash was introduce as a branch evolution to Sandshrew and had a different national dex number and was call Snowslash or if Alolan Exeggutor was consider a branch evolution to Exeggucute and called by a different name then no one would really be trying to say that Ash couldn't get one because of it being related to an past gen pokemon.

So I seriously doubt that just because Alolan forms happen to be related to past gen pokemon that it would somehow prevent Ash from capturing them.

Are you ignoring the term 'regional variant' that me and Satomine Night pointed out? Being an Evolution of a previous Gen Pokemon is a different thing. Alolan forms aren't separately Gen 7 Pokemon, because- they don't have any new Pokedex entry or Pokedex number like other Gen 7 Pokemon. Yes, Alolan form is a Gen 7 phenomenon, but Alolan Pokemon are just regional variants of Gen 1 Pokemon.

Obviously it's up to the writers whether Ash will get an Alolan Pokemon or not but they generally choose to showcase completely new Gen Pokemon. So I think that it's not impossible, but unlikely for Ash to get an Alolan Pokemon.
 
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ShadowForce720

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Are you ignoring the term 'regional variant' that me and Satomine Night pointed out? Being an Evolution of a previous Gen Pokemon is a different thing. Alolan forms aren't separately Gen 7 Pokemon, because- they don't have any new Pokedex entry or Pokedex number like other Gen 7 Pokemon. Yes, Alolan form is a Gen 7 phenomenon, but Alolan Pokemon are just regional variants of Gen 1 Pokemon.

They may not have separate dex entries but they are different enough in biology and type that they are gen 7 pokemon and advertise gen 7 as much as the other gen 7 pokemon do. They evolved from gen 1 pokemon yes I know that but that doesn't make them any less of gen 7 pokemon as the other gen 7 pokemon. Being a 'regional variant' doesn't take away from them still be just as much gen 7 pokemon as the other, all that being a 'regional variant' means is that they evolved from past gen pokemon to adapt to their new environments so in other words actual evolution.
 
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345ash-greninja

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They may not have separate dex entries but they are different enough in biology and type that they are gen 7 pokemon and advertise gen 7 as much as the other gen 7 pokemon do. They evolved from gen 1 pokemon yes I know that but that doesn't make them any less of gen 7 pokemon as the other gen 7 pokemon. Being a 'regional variant' doesn't take away from them still be just as much gen 7 pokemon as the other, all that being a 'regional variant' means is that they evolved from past gen pokemon to adapt to their new environments so in other words actual evolution.

I also thought the same thing like you in XY. And Ash ended up getting Ash-Greninja, a Mega equivalent, but no genuine Mega Evolution. Yes, I know that Mega Evolved Pokemon revert back to there original forms, but as Mega Evolved Pokemon, they do represent Gen 6, don't they? Reverting back to their original forms wasn't an issue as they Mega Evolved most of the times in battles.
Like you are saying Alolan forms represent Gen 7 and are very much like Gen 7 Pokemon, Mega Evolved Pokemon are also represent Gen 6 and are very much like Gen 6 Pokemon in their Mega Evolved state. Yes they are temporary, but that isn't an issue when they are Mega Evolved frequently in battles(like Alain's Charizard did). But still, the writers refused to give Ash a Mega Evolution(I thought at a time that it was a real possibility for Ash to get a Mega). So, similarly the writers can refuse to give Ash an Alolan Pokemon.
 

Satomine Night

The Power of Z!
They may not have separate dex entries but they are different enough in biology and type that they are gen 7 pokemon and advertise gen 7 as much as the other gen 7 pokemon do. They evolved from gen 1 pokemon yes I know that but that doesn't make them any less of gen 7 pokemon as the other gen 7 pokemon. Being a 'regional variant' doesn't take away from them still be just as much gen 7 pokemon as the other, all that being a 'regional variant' means is that they evolved from past gen pokemon to adapt to their new environments so in other words actual evolution.

My opinion that Ash won't catch an Alolan form Pokémon has absolutely nothing to do with Pokédex entry numbers; in fact, I wasn't even taking that into account. It has to do with the fact that, as I said before, Alolan form Pokémon are regional forms of previous generation Pokémon. They may be different in biology and type from their counterparts in other regions, but they still have counterparts in other regions.

I agree that Alolan forms are just as much Gen VII Pokémon as any of the native Alolan Pokémon. However, that does not discount the fact that they have counterparts in other regions. On the other hand, there are quite a few Pokémon that are only native to Alola and can't be found - regional form or otherwise - in any other region until Gen VIII carries some of them over, that is.

That is the point I was trying to make, and that is the reason I don't think Ash will catch an Alolan form Pokémon.
 

Golden_Latias

#SlayQueenSlay
Does it really matter that much that they have counterparts in other regions though? They promote Alola just as much as the actual Alolan Pokemon do, and in the end, isn't that the whole point?

Ash getting Ash-Greninja instead of an actual Mega Evolution has just as much to do with promoting a very popular Pokemon as it does with giving Ash something to give him a fighting chance against the other Megas his opponents were inevitably going to have.
 

RedJirachi

Veteran member
Guys, about the UB OP thing I know that already. I was saying that it'd be hard to control for most of the time, which would balance it out. It'd be a gamble for Ash to use. But I guess if you think them and Silvally are too OP AND you don't think he'll get

Ash​

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* Pikachu: Well obvious reasons, but I feel it will gain the Z-Move Catastropika. After all that's literally the signature move of Ash Pikachu
* Incineroar and Decidueye: Chalk it up to me never liking the fact the starters don't fully evolve. And Decidueye would give us Ash's first official Ghost type Pokemon
* Toxapex: It would be the jerk and bully at the group, captured to control its bad temper. However it would come to slowly appreciate the team
* Mudsdale: He'd obtain this riding Pokemon as Mudbray. It'd be timid and there'd be reference to its endagered nature, leading Ash to be protective of it
* Jangmo-o: His powerhouse, and hopefully they learned their lesson from Goodra
* Alola Sandslash: It's been seven generations. Have Ash get a non-Alola Pokemon, that still counts as something new since its an Alola variation on a Pokemon he's never gotten

Lillie​

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* Nebby: Seems obligatory that she has this. Obviously it would be an unoffical member. Perhaps when it spoilers at the end she can still hang out with it
* Alola Vulpix: If not Ash, then she would probably have the egg
* Minior: Timid, but becomes stronger as it comes out of its shell. Someone mentioned this would fit her character
* Silvally: As part of the storyline. Maybe her brother got another Type: Null to escape and has her have it

Lana​

[IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/730.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/752.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/781.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/052-a.png[/IMG139]

* Primarina: I want that beauty to come from Poppilo
* Araquanid: Well considering its her main Pokemon in the games
* Dhelmise: It's water related
* Alola Meowth: Would be amusing to see a Meowth on the good guys' team

Sophocles​

[IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/777.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/143.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/026-a.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/738.png[/IMG139]

* Togedemaru: He already has it
* Snorlax: Alright I admit it, this is a fat joke. But still, seeing Pulversing Pancake will be hilariously awesome
* Alola Raichu: I feel Pikachu's evolution deserves some love

Kiwae​

[IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/006.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/776.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/780.png[/IMG139][IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/105-a.png[/IMG139]

* Charizard and Turtonator: He already has them
* Drampa: The non-Fire type, and it balances with its version exclusive counterpart Turtonator
* Alola Marowak: It's his main Pokemon in the games

Mallow​

[IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/763.png[/IMG139][IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/756.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/758.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/103-a.png[/IMG139]

* Tsareena and Shiinotic: In-game Pokemon
* Alola Exeggcutor: Everyone want sot see this thing in the anime due to how silly it is
* Salazzle: Would be pretty ironic and interesting to see how she would deal with the anti-Grass Pokemon. If they really push the envelope it will be the gender reversed Brock but with Pokemon

Team Rocket​

[IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/052.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/202.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/778.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/020-a.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/770.png[/IMG139]

* Meowth, Wobbuffet and Mimikyu: Foregone conclusion
* Raticate: A kind of evil mirror to Pikachu, being an evil rat against a good mouse
* Palossand: Another spooky ghost Pokemon. It'd be interesting to see Team Rocket finally get a Ground type, which'd change the formula of Pikachu shocking them into oblivion. Perhaps they get into some amusing situations where Palossand will be fine and wonder what the issue is with his teammates
 
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esquilo09

Well-Known Member
Guys, about the UB OP thing I know that already. I was saying that it'd be hard to control for most of the time, which would balance it out. It'd be a gamble for Ash to use. But I guess if you think them and Silvally are too OP AND you don't think he'll get

Ash​

[IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/025.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/724.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/727.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/748.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/750.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/784.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/028-a.png[/IMG139]

* Pikachu: Well obvious reasons, but I feel it will gain the Z-Move Catastropika. After all that's literally the signature move of Ash Pikachu
* Incineroar and Decidueye: Chalk it up to me never liking the fact the starters don't fully evolve. And Decidueye would give us Ash's first official Ghost type Pokemon
* Toxapex: It would be the jerk and bully at the group, captured to control its bad temper. However it would come to slowly appreciate the team
* Mudsdale: He'd obtain this riding Pokemon as Mudbray. It'd be timid and there'd be reference to its endagered nature, leading Ash to be protective of it
* Jangmo-o: His powerhouse, and hopefully they learned their lesson from Goodra
* Alola Sandslash: It's been seven generations. Have Ash get a non-Alola Pokemon, that still counts as something new since its an Alola variation on a Pokemon he's never gotten

Lillie​

[IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/789.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/037-a.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/774.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/773.png[/IMG139]

* Nebby: Seems obligatory that she has this. Obviously it would be an unoffical member. Perhaps when it spoilers at the end she can still hang out with it
* Alola Vulpix: If not Ash, then she would probably have the egg
* Minior: Timid, but becomes stronger as it comes out of its shell. Someone mentioned this would fit her character
* Silvally: As part of the storyline. Maybe her brother got another Type: Null to escape and has her have it

Lana​

[IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/730.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/752.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/781.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/052-a.png[/IMG139]

* Primarina: I want that beauty to come from Poppilo
* Araquanid: Well considering its her main Pokemon in the games
* Dhelmise: It's water related
* Alola Meowth: Would be amusing to see a Meowth on the good guys' team

Sophocles​

[IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/777.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/143.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/026-a.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/738.png[/IMG139]

* Togedemaru: He already has it
* Snorlax: Alright I admit it, this is a fat joke. But still, seeing Pulversing Pancake will be hilariously awesome
* Alola Raichu: I feel Pikachu's evolution deserves some love

Kiwae​

[IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/006.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/776.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/780.png[/IMG139][IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/105-a.png[/IMG139]

* Charizard and Turtonator: He already has them
* Drampa: The non-Fire type, and it balances with its version exclusive counterpart Turtonator
* Alola Marowak: It's his main Pokemon in the games

Mallow​

[IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/763.png[/IMG139][IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/756.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/758.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/103-a.png[/IMG139]

* Tsareena and Shiinotic: In-game Pokemon
* Alola Exeggcutor: Everyone want sot see this thing in the anime due to how silly it is
* Salazzle: Would be pretty ironic and interesting to see how she would deal with the anti-Grass Pokemon. If they really push the envelope it will be the gender reversed Brock but with Pokemon

Team Rocket​

[IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/052.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/202.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/778.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/020-a.png[/IMG139] [IMG139]http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/770.png[/IMG139]

* Meowth, Wobbuffet and Mimikyu: Foregone conclusion
* Raticate: A kind of evil mirror to Pikachu, being an evil rat against a good mouse
* Palossand: Another spooky ghost Pokemon. It'd be interesting to see Team Rocket finally get a Ground type, which'd change the formula of Pikachu shocking them into oblivion. Perhaps they get into some amusing situations where Palossand will be fine and wonder what the issue is with his teammates

Wasn't Vikavolt supposed to be on Ash's team? The opening showed Ash catching a Grubbin.

Btw do any of you guys remember about a misleading opening in previous sagas?
 

PAndrews

Well-Known Member
My opinion that Ash won't catch an Alolan form Pokémon has absolutely nothing to do with Pokédex entry numbers; in fact, I wasn't even taking that into account. It has to do with the fact that, as I said before, Alolan form Pokémon are regional forms of previous generation Pokémon. They may be different in biology and type from their counterparts in other regions, but they still have counterparts in other regions.

I agree that Alolan forms are just as much Gen VII Pokémon as any of the native Alolan Pokémon. However, that does not discount the fact that they have counterparts in other regions. On the other hand, there are quite a few Pokémon that are only native to Alola and can't be found - regional form or otherwise - in any other region until Gen VIII carries some of them over, that is.

That is the point I was trying to make, and that is the reason I don't think Ash will catch an Alolan form Pokémon.

I also thought the same thing like you in XY. And Ash ended up getting Ash-Greninja, a Mega equivalent, but no genuine Mega Evolution. Yes, I know that Mega Evolved Pokemon revert back to there original forms, but as Mega Evolved Pokemon, they do represent Gen 6, don't they? Reverting back to their original forms wasn't an issue as they Mega Evolved most of the times in battles.
Like you are saying Alolan forms represent Gen 7 and are very much like Gen 7 Pokemon, Mega Evolved Pokemon are also represent Gen 6 and are very much like Gen 6 Pokemon in their Mega Evolved state. Yes they are temporary, but that isn't an issue when they are Mega Evolved frequently in battles(like Alain's Charizard did). But still, the writers refused to give Ash a Mega Evolution(I thought at a time that it was a real possibility for Ash to get a Mega). So, similarly the writers can refuse to give Ash an Alolan Pokemon.

The Mega's aren't fair comparison though. The Mega forms were indeed next gen Pokemon, but they weren't in that form 24/7 nor do they have Pokedex entries. They weren't actual Pokemon, just temporary power-ups
Aloan forms are someting new and unprecedented, they are Gen 7 Pokemon (permanently) but at the same time have old gen numbers.

In all honesty I doubt he'll get one though, the best chance would have been Ash capturing a Vulpix, Cubone or Sandshrew before heading to Aloha (similar to Aipom) so they could showcase the difference in evolution merely by the Pokemon evolving there. I don't see him capturing an Alohan form there (since that removes the ability to show evolving in the region) and Pikachu evolving just isn't happening. The only alternative is using Sandshrew to show the new Ice Stone, but its not like Ash has every used an evolution stone before.

Wasn't Vikavolt supposed to be on Ash's team? The opening showed Ash catching a Grubbin.

Btw do any of you guys remember about a misleading opening in previous sagas?

The opening shows him throwing a ball, its never 100% clear if he actually captures it since the scene jumps to everyone cheering then shows Rotomdex with a capture successful (without showing the image on what was captured).
So it could be the same as what happened in Episode 03, he throws the ball but Grubbin broke free and this was just misleading. Time will tell

Openings have been misleading before and showed lots of matchups that never ended up happening. Worst by far was during the N arc which showcased Charizard vs Reshiram as though that was going to be the huge climatic battle
 
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Golden_Latias

#SlayQueenSlay

345ash-greninja

Auto-Memories Doll
Grubbin isn't happening :)

And how do you know that?

Honestly though, I think that it's very unlikely Ash will catch Grubbin as he has failed to capture it in a previous episode. It is probably the new Dunsparce in my opinion.
 

lemoncatpower

Cynical Optimist
I'm excited that they only used Alolan persian and not alolan meowth yet. They're definitely saving alolan meowth for a good episode with team rocket I bet. Otherwise I do not think it'll go to a main cast member except Ash but even then I HIGHLY doubt it.
 

Red and Blue

Well-Known Member
What do you guys want for Litten's moveset? This is what I want.

1. Ember-becomes flamethrower during the final confrontation with Persian
2. Scratch
3.Leech
4. Fire Fang
 

gliscor&yanmega

Well-Known Member
I agree with the Mudbray part, but I don't see Ash catching an Oricorio and a Drampa. Crabrawler and Passimian are understandable but I don't see him catching an Oranguru, also I hate to disappoint you but Grubbin was seen being caught in the opening which means it is foreshadowing a future capture. I kinda agree with the Alolan Sandslash though.

I'd hardly be disappointed with Grubbin being on Ash's team, but I don't see the opening as proof of anything, especially when Ash failed to capture it in the most recent attempt, it's not unlikely for the opening to be misleading.
 

PAndrews

Well-Known Member
Grubbin isn't happening :)

Until Ash either captures one or a new opening comes around without one its still unconfirmed either way.
If we get a new opening without a Grubbin in it and Ash still hasn't caught one, its safe to say he won't (since there would be no reason to remove a future member from the intro), but until then all we can do is wait and see
 
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