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Sun & Moon Pokémon Speculation Thread

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U.N. Owen

In Brightest Day, In Blackest Night ...
It's not like there's anybody for Ash to call up for working with slow pokemon... oh wait...
 

dman_dustin

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Alola has no remarkable Speedy Pokemon that aren't legendary, so the Anime is gonna have to do some creative **** with Ash's team
They could make Vikavolt look fast, not sure why its so slow in the games, outside of because Game Freak said so. I mean I guess, maybe Totem Vikavolt, is why its so slow with that cutscene from its perspective, but no reason they can't speed it up.
 

Domok

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Ribombee is the fastest non legendary Pokemon in Alola but I honestly think that fits more with one of his companions than with Ash. I can't really see him with it.
 

MattySadler

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Ribombee is the fastest non legendary Pokemon in Alola but I honestly think that fits more with one of his companions than with Ash. I can't really see him with it.
Nah it doesn't suit him.
 

WaterShuriken

"I..I..Iron Tail, Pikachu."
Ash didn't see it. Reggie's Staraptor was the first one he saw, and Ash already had Staravia at that point.
Does Ash seeing it really matter much though? Ash saw both Noivern and Noibat before he caught his.

Kind of hard to argue that, when Ash already had Fletchling before its evolutions showed up. Ash's Fletchling was the first one he saw.
The point was that even if a Pokémon debuts, it doesn't really rule out a capture in the future.

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Part of the reason why I want Ash to get Toucannon is because it has a nice variety of moves compared to past birds. It is basically a new Noctowl.
Pidgeot, Swellow, and Unfezant had a barrage of Normal/Flying moves.

Staraptor and Noctowl had Close Combat and Confusion (later Extrasensory) at least. Talonflame was Fire/Flying so I won't count that one.

Toucannon can learn Fighting, Rock, Fire, Steel, and even Bullet Seed. Despite it's typing. It can be his Gliscor of this generation. A versatile flyer that functions differently from the other Flying-type in his team. Besides, if he does get Decidueye, he trades Flying for Ghost. So I think it benefits both.

Since the line debuted in a "family" setting and the standout Pokémon was Rowlet, I still have a litten bit of hope.
 

Captain America X

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It looks someone missed the first word on my post. I'd suggest you visit a ophthalmologist.



Agreed that they've them handled pretty poorly. But that's writers' fault.It's their fault that Oshawott was there for 80% of time. They could've easily reduced his time/focus on 55% while giving Palpitoad 45% ( he had like 15%). Also, it's their fault they added Charizard later. About Noivern; he was captured late, so no regrets( same with Gible).Same thing can happen to Alola( 5-6 Pokemon get focus) 1 would get smaller focus because it would get captured late.
They should've went on certain route with BW like: 1/2/3/4 episode: Pikachu, 3 starters, Unfezant and Scraggy. 5/6/7/8 episodes: Pikachu + remaining Unova gang. Hence, the name rotation.They didn't. That's why I didn't like BW that much.

You do realize not all 6 will get Pokemon from Alola? That'd be same if Clemont only got Kalos electric Pokemon.Kiawe could only have Turtonator from Alola. Lana only Popplio, Sophocles only Togademaru, Mallow only Bounsweet while rest of their Pokemon can be from Gen 1-6.Samson doesn't seem to own Pokemon and Kiawe could only have Rockruff( that may later give to Ash; maybe as a 'starter', since profs always give Ash starter is some way )
Just because rivals have one Pokemon doesn't mean Ash can't have it. According to that Sawyer shouldn't have Sceptile because Ash has it. Or Ash shouldn't have Turtwig because Paul had it.
And they may handle Ash having multiple Pokemon just as badly as they did with Unova.The writers were never good at balancing Pokemon screentime.

Clemont still got 3(including Dedenne) Kalos Pokemon oit of the 4 Pokemon he caught.In AG, the 5 non Hoenn pokemon were caught because of FR/LG advertising and DP advertising.In DP the 3 non Sinnoh Pokemon were caught because 2 of them had new pre evos and the other one for HGSS advertising.In XY and BW only one old Pokemon was caught and had nothing to do with advertising new games.Unless there is Sinnoh remakes in the current gen,we are gonna have very little old Pokemon.


I somehow doubt that all the trial captains and Lillie will end up with only 1 new Alola pokemon each and the rest older generation pokemon.Think.There is no logical reason for the 5 cast members to have only one alola Pokemon each and the rest being Pokemon not even from the same generation.Every other companion had at least 2-3 Pokemon from their respective gen so I somehow doubt the writers are gonna screw up their marketing to focus on the older gens heavilly.

Samson is heavily hinted of having a Komala.


Sawyer does not count considering Ash did not have a Sceptile in XY.And while yes Ash and his rival can have the same Pokemon at the same time,not all of them will be the same.They will probably have around 1-3 of the same Pokemon while the rival will have a mixture of Alolan and old Pokemon that Ash never had.Sawyer still had 3 kalos pokemon Ash did not have and Paul had a ton of Sinnoh Pokemon Ash never caught.
 
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CMButch

Kanto is love. Kanto is life.
And they may handle Ash having multiple Pokemon just as badly as they did with Alola.The writers were never good at balancing Pokemon screentime.

Clemont still got 3(including Dedenne) Kalos Pokemon oit of the 4 Pokemon he caught.In AG, the 5 non Hoenn pokemon were caught because of FR/LG advertising and DP advertising.In DP the 3 non Sinnoh Pokemon were caught because 2 of them had new pre evos and the other one for HGSS advertising.In XY and BW only one old Pokemon was caught and had nothing to do with advertising new games.


I somehow doubt that all the trial captains and Lillie will end up with only 1 new Alola pokemon each and the rest older generation pokemon.Be reasonable.There is no logical reason for the 5 cast members to have only one alola Pokemon each.

Samson is heavily hinted of having a Komala.


Sawyer does not count considering Ash did not have a Sceptile in XY.And while yes Ash and his rival can have the same Pokemon at the same time,not all of them will be the same.They will probably have around 1-3 of the same Pokemon while the rival will have a mixture of Alolan and old Pokemon that Ash never had.
Then, those writers should be fired and hire new ones who will balance things out.I am just stating how would I balance Pokemon team (with 1/2/3 statement).Clemont had Magnemite,Magneton and Luxray. May had Bulbasaur, Wartortle etc.

Kiawe can be seen only with Alolan Marowak and Turtonator from Alola's gen. Rest of his Pokemon: different gens.. Mallow can be seen with Pokemon like: Ribombee, Lurantis, Comfey,Cutiefly( that Ash won't get). Lana maybe will have only 3 Pokemon in total. Popplio + maybe 2 that are from different gen. Sophocles may also only have 3 Pokemon: Togademaru ,maybe Alolan Geodude + 1 from older gens. Lillie may only have Alolan Vulpix. So, still there high possibility for Ash to have Pokemon in rotation.

Remember Gary Oak? Gary had more than 200 Pokemon out of 146( not counting legendaries). So basically, Gary had all Pokemon that Ash had in Original. But as you said even if Ash's rivals have 1-2 Alola Pokemon that Ash doesn't own, they will likely have 1-2 Alolan Pokemon that Ash has and rest Gen1-6.
 

Genaller

Silver Soul
My Ash SM team prediction at this point would be:

Decidueye
Inceneroar
Lycanroc (midday)
Passimian/Bruxish
Araquanid/Crabominable
Mudsdale

Other Pokémon lines I could see Ash catching (I'm stating the fully developed form):

Vikivolt
Sensu Oricorio
Oranguru
Drampa
Kommo-o

I see a number of people would like Ash to get Wimpod/Golisospod, and while I would personally be ecstatic if this happens, I can't see them giving Ash the same species as the signature Pokémon of an evil team leader. I would also love for Ash to get a Comfey, but that also seems unlikely though I would be happy if Ash not being able to get a Pokémon like Comfey is 1 of the patterns that breaks.

EDIT: I think 5-7 Pokémon is most likely with even 7 being a stretch. The only time Ash ever caught more than 6 was in Kanto and Unova which were regions with 150+ native Pokémon.
 
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MattySadler

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It looks someone missed the first word on my post. I'd suggest you visit a ophthalmologist.
No, it was still complete rubbish, and terribly written rubbish at that.
 

Captain America X

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Then, those writers should be fired and hire new ones who will balance things out.I am just stating how would I balance Pokemon team (with 1/2/3 statement).Clemont had Magnemite,Magneton and Luxray. May had Bulbasaur, Wartortle etc.

Kiawe can be seen only with Alolan Marowak and Turtonator. Mallow can be seen with Pokemon like: Ribombee, Lurantis, Comfey,Cutiefly( that Ash won't get). Lana maybe will have only 3 Pokemon in total. Popplio + maybe 2 that are from different gen. Sophocles may also only have 3 Pokemon: Togademaru ,maybe Alolan Geodude + 1 from older gens. Lillie may only have Alolan Vulpix. So, still there high possibility for Ash to have Pokemon in rotation.

Remember Gary Oak? Gary had more than 200 Pokemon out of 146( not counting legendaries). So basically, Gary had all Pokemon that Ash had in Original. But as you said even if Ash's rivals have 1-2 Alola Pokemon that Ash doesn't own, they will likely have 1-2 Alolan Pokemon that Ash has and rest Gen1-6.
Well they are not gonna fire those writers now so...

Magnemite and Magneton were minor Pokemon not even on Clement's traveling on hand team.And I already counted May's Pokemon.Wartortle,Venasaur were FRLG marketing,Glaceon,Sudowudo,Chansey (pre evos) was DP,Quilava was marketing HGSS.Only Dragonite and Luxray were caught without any marketing reasons,and they were 1 Pokemon from older gen out of the 4 Unova/Kalos Pokemon Iris and Clemont had.No remakes = less older gen pokemon on main cast


Who said the trial captains will only get those particular pokemon eh?For all we know they might catch only Alola Pokemon with a total of 1-2 pokemon.


Gary is an outlier.Every other rival had multiple pokemon from their respective region that Ash never caught.I never said the rival will have only 1-2 Alola Pokemon that Ash will never have.Sawyer had 3,Paul had 7,Trip had 4.


so

1) Multiple older generation Pokemon on the cast is probably not gonna happen unless they advertise the game in some way.Remakes, or ride Pokemon or in game character team.

2) Ash having a rotational team is gonna result in Pokemon not getting enough focus considering who the writers are.

3) It's a region with the least amount of non legendary pokemon and the largest anime cast.Their gonna have to split them up among the main characters, and recurring characters .


I have no interest on continuing this discussion so that's it.
 
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MattySadler

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My Ash SM team prediction at this point would be:

Decidueye
Inceneroar
Lycanroc (midday)
Passimian/Bruxish
Araquanid/Crabominable
Mudsdale

Other Pokémon lines I could see Ash catching (I'm stating the fully developed form):

Vikivolt
Sensu Oricorio
Oranguru
Drampa
Kommo-o

I see a number of people would like Ash to get Wimpod/Golisospod, and while I would personally be ecstatic if this happens, I can't see them giving Ash the same species as the signature Pokémon of an evil team leader. I would also love for Ash to get a Comfey, but that also seems unlikely though I would be happy if Ash not being able to get a Pokémon like Comfey is 1 of the patterns that breaks.

EDIT: I think 5-7 Pokémon is most likely with even 7 being a stretch. The only time Ash ever caught more than 6 was in Kanto and Unova which were regions with 150+ native Pokémon.
I'd like to see Ash get something from the o-o line.

I think he'll only catch 5 from this region.
 

DatsRight

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I have a feeling this might end up like the OS/BW in setup, as in a lot of the Pokemon staying unevolved and quirky, largely due to the fact the focus is less on battling and more on trials, meaning they'll likely manage the teams to make them varied in different abilities rather than just strength.

If Rowlet has taken the regional bird's place in Ash's team, I'm fine with it. At least Rowlet has a personality.
 

CMButch

Kanto is love. Kanto is life.
No, it was still complete rubbish, and terribly written rubbish at that.
It was an opinion. Opinion at this(tastes and speculation) can't be a rubbish. Try to learn that.

Well they are not gonna fire those writers now so...

Magnemite and Magneton were minor Pokemon not even on Clement's traveling on hand team.And I already counted May's Pokemon.Wartortle,Venasaur were FRLG marketing,Glaceon,Sudowudo,Chansey (pre evos) was DP,Quilava was marketing HGSS.Only Dragonite and Luxray were caught without any marketing reasons,and they were 1 Pokemon from older gen out of the 4 Unova/Kalos Pokemon Iris and Clemont had.No remakes = less older gen pokemon on main cast


Who said the trial captains will only get those particular pokemon eh?For all we know they might catch only Alola Pokemon with a total of 1-2 pokemon.


Gary is an outlier.Every other rival had multiple pokemon from their respective region that Ash never caught.I never said the rival will have only 1-2 Alola Pokemon that Ash will never have.Sawyer had 3,Paul had 7,Trip had 4.
That doesn't mean captains won't catch more than 1 Pokemon from older gens. Even if that is pattern; patterns have always been broken. So ye, captains may get more than 1-2 Pokemon from older generations. Not all. If Mallow, Lana and Sophocles have 3 Pokemon each: then I can see them having 2 Alola Pokemon and 1 older gen Pokemon ( or Lana having Popplio + older gen).
I can see Lillie with only Alolan Vuplix. I can see Kiawe being different story. If they decide to give him 6 Pokemon( if he's rival) and since he's fire type captain I can see him having Alolan Marowak, Turtonator + 4 fire types from older gen( that's answer to this:"Who said the trial captains will only get those particular pokemon eh"- Kiawe is fire type specialist, Sophocles is electric etc so I think they will get Pokemon of their speciality).
Gary still counts, tho. I predict as of now( since I don't see Toucannon Ash's Pokemon anymore) Pikachu + 6 Alola Pokemon for Ash.
 
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Genaller

Silver Soul
I'd like to see Ash get something from the o-o line.

I think he'll only catch 5 from this region.
I do think the o-o line is very possible. It's just that ideally I prefer no type overlapping, but it seems as though the writers mainly care about the primary type, so they likely wouldn't have any issues with giving Ash a both Passimian and Kommo-o, and Vikivolt eventhough its part electric. My money is on 6 (they never have Ash catch the same number 2 regions in a row).
 

Phillip12

Philuxio
I knew that Ash wouldn't catch Grubbin, that was sure, that pokemon is just a dusparce case. Also I was afraid about Bewear, but now I see he'll be a team rocket member. I'm very relieved about this. While Pikipek line, I'm very afraid, I'm sure the next capture will be Littlen, maybe in between episodes 6 and 10, so I'm really hopping Pikipek is the next, but it's looking very unlikely by now, once Ash saw all the family and didn't showed interested even a little bit about them. And we have a historic that Ash has catch the first bird he saw in all the previous regions, but he saw the whole line and we don't know if he'll cath that one anymore.
My prediction is still that one:
-Pikachu
-Rowlet-Dartrix-Deciduey (set)
-Littlen-Torracat-Inceneroar (set)
-Pikipek-Trumbeak-Toucanoon (5% chace in my opinion by now)
-Jungmo-o-Hakamo-o-Kommo-o (50% chance, I really see Ash getting that one)
-Rockruff (2% chance)
-Yungoos (3% chance)
-Salandit (2% chance)
-Mudbray (8% chance)
-Dewpider (5% chance)
-Other (25%)
 
It was an opinion. Opinion at this(tastes and speculation) can't be a rubbish. Try to learn that.



That doesn't mean captains won't catch more than 1 Pokemon from older gens. Even if that is pattern; patterns have always been broken. So ye, captains may get more than 1-2 Pokemon from older generations. Not all. If Mallow, Lana and Sophocles have 3 Pokemon each: then I can see them having 2 Alola Pokemon and 1 older gen Pokemon ( or Lana having Popplio + older gen).
I can see Lillie with only Alolan Vuplix. I can see Kiawe being different story. If they decide to give him 6 Pokemon( if he's rival) and since he's fire type captain I can see him having Alolan Marowak, Turtonator + 4 fire types from older gen( that's answer to this:"Who said the trial captains will only get those particular pokemon eh"- Kiawe is fire type specialist, Sophocles is electric etc so I think they will get Pokemon of their speciality).
Gary still counts, tho. I predict as of now( since I don't see Toucannon Ash's Pokemon anymore) Pikachu + 6 Alola Pokemon for Ash.
I would actually like to see a Ash vs Kiawe 6 on 6 battle at some point. I wonder what Pokemon they will use then. I am imagining a Pikachu vs Turtonator(a clash of Z-moves) and an Incineroar vs Alolan Marowak.
 

ShadowForce720

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I knew that Ash wouldn't catch Grubbin, that was sure, that pokemon is just a dusparce case. Also I was afraid about Bewear, but now I see he'll be a team rocket member. I'm very relieved about this. While Pikipek line, I'm very afraid, I'm sure the next capture will be Littlen, maybe in between episodes 6 and 10, so I'm really hopping Pikipek is the next, but it's looking very unlikely by now, once Ash saw all the family and didn't showed interested even a little bit about them. And we have a historic that Ash has catch the first bird he saw in all the previous regions, but he saw the whole line and we don't know if he'll cath that one anymore.
My prediction is still that one:
-Pikachu
-Rowlet-Dartrix-Deciduey (set)
-Littlen-Torracat-Inceneroar (set)
-Pikipek-Trumbeak-Toucanoon (5% chace in my opinion by now)
-Jungmo-o-Hakamo-o-Kommo-o (50% chance, I really see Ash getting that one)
-Rockruff (2% chance)
-Yungoos (3% chance)
-Salandit (2% chance)
-Mudbray (8% chance)
-Dewpider (5% chance)
-Other (25%)
No, it's not the only times that Ash tried to catch a Dunsparce was once towards the end of BW and once around the middle of XY, where as with Grubbin, Ash has been shown trying to catch it twice within 4 episodes that have aired and it has shown up in 3 of the 4 episodes that have aired, it's still possible that Ash could get Grubbin in a later episode. The major difference is that Ash 2nd try at catching a Dunsparce came a generation after Ash tried to catch the previous one and in both cases with Dunsparce it wasn't in any form representing the current generation, where as with Grubbin just within the 1st 4 episodes that have aired in gen 7 Ash has tried to catch Grubbin twice and it has appeared in 3 of the 4 episodes and it does represent 7th gen since it's a 7th gen pokemon.

And I'm pretty sure that chances of Ash getting a Rockruff, Dewpider, and/or Mudbray are higher then you think, especially in the case of Rockruff.

now in regards to Litten I could see Ash capturing in episode 5 or it might get caught a few episodes after that.

As for Grubbin it could be caught anywhere from the very next episode of Litten's capture to a few or more episodes after Litten's capture, and then I would think Kukui giving Ash Rockruff would happen towards the end or at the end of the school arc.


As for known move sets given off from what we've seen so far here it is:

Rowlet: Leafage(so far it's only known move, but it likely has anywhere from 2-3 other moves that it hasn't revealed yet)

Grubbin: I'm just going out on a limb here and saying that the Grubbin that Ash was trying to catch in episode 4 is the same Grubbin that Ash tried to get in episode one so judging form what we have seen it seems to known the moves Vice Grip, Dig, and String Shot however it's unknown if it currently knows a 4th move or not.

Litten: It knowns Ember, and from the looks of it, it seems to also know Scratch, although those are the only moves that I think we've seen it use so far.

Rockruff: So far I don't think we've seen any of it's moves.
 
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esquilo09

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No, it's not the only times that Ash tried to catch a Dunsparce was once towards the end of BW and once around the middle of XY, where as with Grubbin, Ash has been shown trying to catch it twice within 4 episodes that have aired and it has shown up in 3 of the 4 episodes that have aired, it's still possible that Ash could get Grubbin in a later episode. The major difference is that Ash 2nd try at catching a Dunsparce came a generation after Ash tried to catch the previous one and in both cases with Dunsparce it wasn't in any form representing the current generation, where as with Grubbin just within the 1st 4 episodes that have aired in gen 7 Ash has tried to catch Grubbin twice and it has appeared in 3 of the 4 episodes and it does represent 7th gen since it's a 7th gen pokemon.

And I'm pretty sure that chances of Ash getting a Rockruff, Dewpider, and/or Mudbray are higher then you think, especially in the case of Rockruff.
I agree with you, specially on the Mudbray part, it would be cool if he catches a Mudbray and evolves it into Mudsdale, plus I'm sure Ash will catch Grubbin after Litten or Rockruff.
 
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Shneak

this is a Nessa x Sonia stan account ✨
lol @ Grubbin getting denied. I'm fine with that. Charjabug and Vikavolt don't fit Ash. I'm hoping that doesn't mean a Pikipek capture though. Evidence against it is that the whole line has already appeared.
 

Mirto

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Ash:
- Melemele (first 30-50 episodes): Pikachu, Rowlet, Litten
- Rest of the series: Mudsdale, Hakamo-o, ¿A-Sandslash? ¿New Alola form?

Jessie: Wobbuffett, Mimikyu
James: Bewear, Minior
Mallow: Tsarenaa, Ribombee, Passimian
Kiawe: Turtonator, Charizard, A-Marowak, A-Golem
Sophocles: Togedemaru, Electrode, Araquanid, Sandygast
Lana: Primarina, A-Dugtrio, Psy-Oricorio, Psyduck, Wishiwashi, Masquerain (at least 3)
Lillie: ---
 
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