Sun & Moon Pokémon Speculation Thread

[Satomine Night]

Maybe when the wormhole appears Lusamine will see how much it likes the world and wants to stay and allows to stay full time

...Maybe, but that still doesn't change what I said with regards to Poipole being part of Ash's team only for the time being or about how we should assume it's going to return to Ultra Space by the end of the series.

 

[Dragalge]

But don't Forget when the aether foundation finds the wormhole Poipole might not want to go back to it's world remember the opening shows it in a world of darkness and was happy to escape . Remember Many pokemon had a chance to be released such as Wobbuffet, Pikachu, and Mareanie but they chose to stay with their trainers.

While not confirmed, it's implied that they fix Ultra Megapolis (or whatever it is) by restoring the light there. Afterwards Poipole/Naganadel will probably go back there with the URS.

 

[Master Pikachu 11]

...Maybe, but that still doesn't change what I said with regards to Poipole being part of Ash's team only for the time being or about how we should assume it's going to return to Ultra Space by the end of the series.

If they do make him release it then they better find another Pokémon to take its place. We don’t need another repeat of Goodra. I still think there is a great chance that Ash will get to keep it though, but I’ve been wrong before.

 

[Rock Captain 99]

If they do make him release it then they better find another Pokémon to take its place. We don’t need another repeat of Goodra. I still think there is a great chance that Ash will get to keep it though, but I’ve been wrong before.

I do think the same. If poipole is going to be released, then Ash better get 2 more pokemon. And there is a good chance that poipole wouldn't want to leave when the issue is resolved.

Regarding rowlet, maybe in the upcoming ula ula island arc, it will get something. Either an evolution or a new move. It hasn't got anything since capture, so it's already long overdue. Only thing it got was the Z-moves.

Regarding last capture of ash, alolan sandshrew is not confirmed. He might get anything which no one has speculated. But that doesn't change the fact the alolan sandshrew is one of the most likely candidates and it does promote gen VII as much as other new pokemon. However, being a regional variant, it is not completely new.

Other possible captures if not AS, maybe jangmo-o, cutiefly, mudbray or wimpod?

 

[ShadowForce720]

While not confirmed, it's implied that they fix Ultra Megapolis (or whatever it is) by restoring the light there. Afterwards Poipole/Naganadel will probably go back there with the URS.

Except that's assuming that that the URS will even appear in the anime to begin with which isn't a safe assumption to make as they could easily cut them out. Also so far from what it seems is that Poipole came from a world where not only it was dark but it was also very lonely, so even if it's home world got lit up why would it want to return to it if it's just going to be all alone again, no matter how much you look at it that doesn't really make much sense for it's character. Plus even if the URS shows up that doesn't mean Poipole will go with them, and there is a bit of a difference here, sure in the games it was the with the URS and eventually left them to join the main player character because it wanted to see Alola the rest of the pokemon world, where as in the anime from what we've seen it doesn't seem like Ash's Poipole has been with URS and not only that it came through the Ultra Wormhole willingly but it seems excited to be in it and doesn't seem homesick at all.

Yes it's possible that Poipole could return to the Ultra Space but I wouldn't necessarily say that it has that much of a higher chance of it leaving then staying as it staying with Ash, because while it's true that Lusamine said that it could stay with Ash until the find it's Ultra Wormhole it's also true that it wouldn't be the first time where people assumed that something was going to happen and then something different happened instead, for instance although it's not quite the same I remember back during XY when Serena got the card for Palermo that a few people acted like it was confirmed that Serena was going to go with Palmero at the end of the series even though it didn't make that much sense for Serena's character and yet when we got to the series end it wound up being a case where Serena rejected Palmero's offer and choose to do her own thing instead.

So while it's possible that Poipole will leave at the end I think it's important to note that when it comes to what Lusamine said all that means is that the issue is going to be tackled at one point or another, either way though no matter how it gets resolved whether that it's Poipole leaving or staying with Ash it should be something that makes sense for Poipole as a character to do. Also even if Poipole does leave I'm not entirely convince that it's going to be because it's leaving with the URS(which aren't even confirmed to appear in the anime).

 

[345ash-greninja]

Except that's assuming that that the URS will even appear in the anime to begin with which isn't a safe assumption to make as they could easily cut them out. Also so far from what it seems is that Poipole came from a world where not only it was dark but it was also very lonely, so even if it's home world got lit up why would it want to return to it if it's just going to be all alone again, no matter how much you look at it that doesn't really make much sense for it's character. Plus even if the URS shows up that doesn't mean Poipole will go with them, and there is a bit of a difference here, sure in the games it was the with the URS and eventually left them to join the main player character because it wanted to see Alola the rest of the pokemon world, where as in the anime from what we've seen it doesn't seem like Ash's Poipole has been with URS and not only that it came through the Ultra Wormhole willingly but it seems excited to be in it and doesn't seem homesick at all.

Yes it's possible that Poipole could return to the Ultra Space but I wouldn't necessarily say that it has that much of a higher chance of it leaving then staying as it staying with Ash, because while it's true that Lusamine said that it could stay with Ash until the find it's Ultra Wormhole it's also true that it wouldn't be the first time where people assumed that something was going to happen and then something different happened instead, for instance although it's not quite the same I remember back during XY when Serena got the card for Palermo that a few people acted like it was confirmed that Serena was going to go with Palmero at the end of the series even though it didn't make that much sense for Serena's character and yet when we got to the series end it wound up being a case where Serena rejected Palmero's offer and choose to do her own thing instead.

So while it's possible that Poipole will leave at the end I think it's important to note that when it comes to what Lusamine said all that means is that the issue is going to be tackled at one point or another, either way though no matter how it gets resolved whether that it's Poipole leaving or staying with Ash it should be something that makes sense for Poipole as a character to do. Also even if Poipole does leave I'm not entirely convince that it's going to be because it's leaving with the URS(which aren't even confirmed to appear in the anime).

You can't compare Serena with Poipole because the cases are different. In Serena's case, it was pretty much strongly hinted that she would obviously leave in the end of the series, going with Palermo or not. She after all still left, despite not going with Palermo. That's what mostly matters.

In Poipole's case it's a matter of whether it will leave or not. Given the foreshadowing in its very capture episode, it clearly evident that the indication of the writers are more towards Poipole leaving at the end of the series. And secondly, once Ash and co. finds that particular wormhole through which Poipole crossed over to this world, it would be very uncharacteristic for Ash to not let Poipole go to its own home given what Lusamine said to him before he caught Poipolr; after all he's an Ultra Guardian working on Lusamine's orders. Lastly, in mostly analogous cases this, is has been seen that Ash's Pokemon ends up getting released. When Lapras found its herd, did Ash release it? Yes. When Goodra found its wetlands, did Ash release it? Yes. So it's very likely that when Ash and co. finds the Ultra Hole through which Poipole crossed over, a.k.a., the acess to Poipole's homeland, he'll very likely release Poipole.

 

[ShadowForce720]

You can't compare Serena with Poipole because the cases are different. In Serena's case, it was pretty much strongly hinted that she would obviously leave in the end of the series, going with Palermo or not. She after all still left, despite not going with Palermo. That's what mostly matters.

In Poipole's case it's a matter of whether it will leave or not. Given the foreshadowing in its very capture episode, it clearly evident that the indication of the writers are more towards Poipole leaving at the end of the series. And secondly, once Ash and co. finds that particular wormhole through which Poipole crossed over to this world, it would be very uncharacteristic for Ash to not let Poipole go to its own home given what Lusamine said to him before he caught Poipolr; after all he's an Ultra Guardian working on Lusamine's orders. Lastly, in mostly analogous cases this, is has been seen that Ash's Pokemon ends up getting released. When Lapras found its herd, did Ash release it? Yes. When Goodra found its wetlands, did Ash release it? Yes. So it's very likely that when Ash and co. finds the Ultra Hole through which Poipole crossed over, a.k.a., the acess to Poipole's homeland, he'll very likely release Poipole.

Not really it's not a guaranteed thing that Poipole will leave, as you got to keep in mind that unlike the other UBs Poipole came to the pokeworld willingly and not by accident, and plus you also have to take in consideration that it's going to be a while before it's ultra wormhole appears so in that mean times it's very likely that it is going to be bonding with Ash and his pokemon a lot and again if it's just going to be all alone again if it returns to it's homeworld why would it ever return when to it staying with Ash is more fun and it won't be lonely. Also you say that it's uncharacteristic for Ash not to let Poipole go however your overlooking the point that if Poipole truly doesn't want to go and wants to stay with Ash then even if Lusamine orders him it would very uncharacteristic of Ash to force Poipole to leave against it's will. Also if Lusamine tries to force Poipole to go back even though it doesn't want to then that will mean she's not doing what's best for Poipole, but she is only forcing it back because it makes her feel good that she is "helping" a UB even though that doesn't want to go and would view Lusamine as a villain trying to separate it from it's family.

You keep saying that it's likely because Lusamine's orders it but your ignoring the fact it's going to be bonding with Ash and your also ignoring the fact that Poipole has feelings, whenever you talk about it you say because Lusamine's orders it will go but you don't seem to take into consideration Poipole's feelings on the matter. It's not the same as with the other Pokemon that Ash release or left somewhere other the Oak's lab because in those cases it was clear that part of the pokemon wanted to leave or stay in that area, and it was done in a way that makes sense for the pokemon's character, where as in Poipole's case there isn't really anything that makes sense within it's character for it to go back to Ultra Space as it would seem out of character for it.

Just because Lusamine said that Ash could keep Poipole until they find it's Ultra Wormhole doesn't automatically mean that Poipole will leaves, because Poipole has a say in that matter. Sure is it possible that Poipole could leave? yes, but it's also possible that it could stay as don't forget there has been cases where a main character tried to release a pokemon but the release was unsuccessful.

While it's true that the writers could have Poipole leave, it's also very much like the writers to make it look like Poipole is going to leave but then in the end have it decide that it wants to stay with Ash in the Pokeworld rather then going back to Ultra Space.

 

[345ash-greninja]

Not really it's not a guaranteed thing that Poipole will leave, as you got to keep in mind that unlike the other UBs Poipole came to the pokeworld willingly and not by accident, and plus you also have to take in consideration that it's going to be a while before it's ultra wormhole appears so in that mean times it's very likely that it is going to be bonding with Ash and his pokemon a lot and again if it's just going to be all alone again if it returns to it's homeworld why would it ever return when to it staying with Ash is more fun and it won't be lonely. Also you say that it's uncharacteristic for Ash not to let Poipole go however your overlooking the point that if Poipole truly doesn't want to go and wants to stay with Ash then even if Lusamine orders him it would very uncharacteristic of Ash to force Poipole to leave against it's will. Also if Lusamine tries to force Poipole to go back even though it doesn't want to then that will mean she's not doing what's best for Poipole, but she is only forcing it back because it makes her feel good that she is "helping" a UB even though that doesn't want to go and would view Lusamine as a villain trying to separate it from it's family.

You keep saying that it's likely because Lusamine's orders it but your ignoring the fact it's going to be bonding with Ash and your also ignoring the fact that Poipole has feelings, whenever you talk about it you say because Lusamine's orders it will go but you don't seem to take into consideration Poipole's feelings on the matter. It's not the same as with the other Pokemon that Ash release or left somewhere other the Oak's lab because in those cases it was clear that part of the pokemon wanted to leave or stay in that area, and it was done in a way that makes sense for the pokemon's character, where as in Poipole's case there isn't really anything that makes sense within it's character for it to go back to Ultra Space as it would seem out of character for it.

Just because Lusamine said that Ash could keep Poipole until they find it's Ultra Wormhole doesn't automatically mean that Poipole will leaves, because Poipole has a say in that matter. Sure is it possible that Poipole could leave? yes, but it's also possible that it could stay as don't forget there has been cases where a main character tried to release a pokemon but the release was unsuccessful.

Your logic of 'Poipole won't want to leave because it would bond with Ash very closely' is very very unlikely to happen if we look at previous and similar instances. By that logic Lapras shouldn't have been released when Ash and co. found its herd because it bonded closely with Ash. Or Goodra shouldn't have been released when Ash and co. found its home wetlands because it bonded strongly with Ash. Pretty much most of the times when one of Ash's Pokemon finds its own homeland/family where it belongs to, it ends up returning to its own homeland, no matter how much of a strong bond it shares with Ash. Can you provide one similar instance where one of Ash's Pokemon finds its own homeland where it originally belongs and it doesn't get released, and in the process stays with Ash just because it shares a strong bond?

What you are suggesting is very unlikely to happen given the trend the anime usually follows in situations like this. So if you're strongly expecting Poipole to stay with Ash even after Ash and co. finds its Ultra Hole, then you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

[ShadowForce720]

Your logic of 'Poipole won't want to leave because it would bond with Ash very closely' is very very unlikely to happen if we look at previous and similar instances. By that logic Lapras shouldn't have been released when Ash and co. found its heard because it bonded closely with Ash. Or Goodra shouldn't have been released when Ash and co. found its home because it bonded strongly with Ash. Pretty much most of the times when one of Ash's Pokemon finds its own homeland/family where it belongs to, it ends up returning to its own homeland, no matter how much of a strong bond it shares with Ash. Can you provide one similar instance where one of Ash's Pokemon finds its own homeland where it originally belongs and it doesn't get released, and in the process stays with Ash just because it shares a strong bond?

What you are suggesting is very unlikely to happen given the trend the anime usually follows in situations like this. So if you're strongly expecting Poipole to stay with Ash even after Ash and co. finds its Ultra Hole, then you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

Except your overlooking one thing about those other situations in all those other situations the pokemon that was leaving wasn't going to be alone, where in Poipole's case it's not just that it's going to bond with Ash, it's that how does it makes in Poipole character for it to go back to Ultra Space if that means it's going to be all alone again, from what we've seen from Poipole it came to the pokeworld willingly and not by accident and seems to find it fun and it's not alone anymore, so why would Poipole want to go back to it's homeworld if it views that as a boring and lonely place.

Goodra did not leave the Swamplands by choice, Lapras didn't leave it's family by it's own choice, the problem here and what makes Poipole different is that it left it's homeland by choice, so Poipole staying with Ash is not as unlikely as you seem to think. It is possible that Poipole could leave? yes, but it's also possible that it could stay, it's ridiculous to act like it's guaranteed that Poipole is going to leave. Can you provide a instance where a pokemon that Ash had caught had left it's homeland willingly of it's own choice and then when it came back to that homeland later it wound getting released?

 

[Satomine Night]

Except your overlooking one thing about those other situations in all those other situations the pokemon that was leaving wasn't going to be alone, where in Poipole's case it's not just that it's going to bond with Ash, it's that how does it makes in Poipole character for it to go back to Ultra Space if that means it's going to be all alone again, from what we've seen from Poipole it came to the pokeworld willingly and not by accident and seems to find it fun and it's not alone anymore, so why would Poipole want to go back to it's homeworld if it views that as a boring and lonely place.

Actually, we don't know if Poipole came to the Pokéworld willingly or not. It was shown traversing through the Ultra Wormhole, but that doesn't mean it wasn't initially sucked in like Buzzwole was. Just because it finds Alola fun and full of light doesn't mean it won't want to return its own world if/when light is restored there. The fact of the matter is, until there are heavy hints or an outright confirmation that Poipole is going to stay with Ash, it's better to assume that it won't, since Lusamine ordered Ash to keep it only until its Wormhole is found.

 

[345ash-greninja]

Except your overlooking one thing about those other situations in all those other situations the pokemon that was leaving wasn't going to be alone, where in Poipole's case it's not just that it's going to bond with Ash, it's that how does it makes in Poipole character for it to go back to Ultra Space if that means it's going to be all alone again, from what we've seen from Poipole it came to the pokeworld willingly and not by accident and seems to find it fun and it's not alone anymore, so why would Poipole want to go back to it's homeworld if it views that as a boring and lonely place.

Goodra did not leave the Swamplands by choice, Lapras didn't leave it's family by it's own choice, the problem here and what makes Poipole different is that it left it's homeland by choice, so Poipole staying with Ash is not as unlikely as you seem to think. It is possible that Poipole could leave? yes, but it's also possible that it could stay, it's ridiculous to act like it's guaranteed that Poipole is going to leave. Can you provide a instance where a pokemon that Ash had caught had left it's homeland willingly of it's own choice and then when it came back to that homeland later it wound getting released?

Like what Satomine Night said above, I'll say the same. It's not confirmed whether Poipole willingly left Ultra Space or not. It could've been easily sucked into the Ultra Hole and as a result ended up being transported to this world. Yes it does enjoy Alolan atmosphere, which is full of light(to which it's very much attracted) doesn't anyhow mean that it doesn't want to go back to its own world that is Ultra Space, to where it originally belongs. So your logic of Poipole willingly leaving Ultra Space doesn't hold much water here because it's not confirmed by any means.

Anyway, the anime has shown a clear trend in this kind of circumstances where a Pokemon of Ash finds its own home/family, to where it actually belongs, that in this cases the Pokemon ends up returning to their own home/family and Ash releasing them, regardless of how strong a bond they share with Ash. This is clearly proven by the Lapras/Goodra cases, where despite both of them sharing a strong bond with Ash, they ended up staying back with their family/at their homeland, and in the process got released. That very likely to happen with Poipole as well, given the foreshadowing by Lusamine's words in its capture episode. Saying that Poipole can remain staying with Ash because of the close connection/bonding it'd share with Ash is a pretty weak arguement to use, because as evident from the Lapras/Goodra cases, this is not the trend the anime follows in this cases.

 

[kickachu]

Like what Satomine Night said above, I'll say the same. It's not confirmed whether Poipole willingly left Ultra Space or not. It could've been easily sucked into the Ultra Hole and as a result ended up being transported to this world. Yes it does enjoy Alolan atmosphere, which is full of light(to which it's very much attracted) doesn't anyhow mean that it doesn't want to go back to its own world that is Ultra Space, to where it originally belongs. So your logic of Poipole willingly leaving Ultra Space doesn't hold much water here because it's not confirmed by any means.

Anyway, the anime has shown a clear trend in this kind of circumstances where a Pokemon of Ash finds its own home/family, to where it actually belongs, that in this cases the Pokemon ends up returning to their own home/family and Ash releasing them, regardless of how strong a bond they share with Ash. This is clearly proven by the Lapras/Goodra cases, where despite both of them sharing a strong bond with Ash, they ended up staying back with their family/at their homeland, and in the process got released. That very likely to happen with Poipole as well, given the foreshadowing by Lusamine's words in its capture episode. Saying that Poipole can remain staying with Ash because of the close connection/bonding it'd share with Ash is a pretty weak arguement to use, because as evident from the Lapras/Goodra cases, this is not the trend the anime follows in this cases.

If you're forgoting something in the opening of future connections when the light hit on Poipole's head it looks like it looked willingly ready to go into the pokemon world and seemed happy as it made it's way to the real world.

 

[Satomine Night]

If you're forgoting something in the opening of future connections when the light hit on Poipole's head it looks like it looked willingly ready to go into the pokemon world and seemed happy as it made it's way to the real world.

I was talking about the episode when Poipole entered the Pokéworld through the Ultra Wormhole. It was hard to tell whether or not it traversed through the Wormhole on its own volition or if it was sucked into it the way Buzzwole probably was. What happens in the actual episodes themselves has more meaning that the symbolism of the opening theme.

 

[kickachu]

I was talking about the episode when Poipole entered the Pokéworld through the Ultra Wormhole. It was hard to tell whether or not it traversed through the Wormhole on its own volition or if it was sucked into it the way Buzzwole probably was. What happens in the actual episodes themselves has more meaning that the symbolism of the opening theme.

If you paid any attention to the opening poipole looked like it was willingly to get out of US as it had a happy look on it's face. Also if you watch The digimon adventure opening or english opening of monster rancher the protagonists had a scared or freak out look on their faces when they got sucked into the other world at first so see what I am saying? Poipole looked happy to escape US case

 

[Satomine Night]

If you paid any attention to the opening poipole looked like it was willingly to get out of US as it had a happy look on it's face. Also if you watch The digimon adventure opening or english opening of monster rancher the protagonists had a scared or freak out look on their faces when they got sucked into the other world at first so see what I am saying? Poipole looked happy to escape US case

I did pay attention to the opening theme visuals. You did not seem to pay attention to my post. I was basing what I said on the episode when Poipole traversed through the Wormhole to the Pokéworld, not on the visuals in the opening.

 

[Pokegirl Fan~]

Opening themes can be misleading. Remember Charizard vs Reshiram?

 

[kickachu]

I did pay attention to the opening theme visuals. You did not seem to pay attention to my post. I was basing what I said on the episode when Poipole traversed through the Wormhole to the Pokéworld, not on the visuals in the opening.

I wasn't talking about the visuals on the opening I was talking about the fact that poipole looked happy enteirng the pokemon world instead of the protagonists who looked scared when first entering a new world

 

[Blaze Master X]

Ash will likely release Poipole after restoring the light in Ultra Megalopolis.

I wouldn't be surprised if it would want to stay with Ash.

 

[Satomine Night]

I wasn't talking about the visuals on the opening I was talking about the fact that poipole looked happy enteirng the pokemon world instead of the protagonists who looked scared when first entering a new world

You said, "If you paid any attention to the opening poipole looked like it was willingly to get out of US as it had a happy look on it's face." If you didn't mean the opening theme visuals, then what did you mean? Sure, Poipole looked happy when it entered the Pokéworld, but that doesn't mean it entered that world willingly. It doesn't seem the type to sulk over things.

 

[kickachu]

You said, "If you paid any attention to the opening poipole looked like it was willingly to get out of US as it had a happy look on it's face." If you didn't mean the opening theme visuals, then what did you mean? Sure, Poipole looked happy when it entered the Pokéworld, but that doesn't mean it entered that world willingly. It doesn't seem the type to sulk over things.

I said in my last post the characters from digimon adventure went unwillingly into the digital world and genki from monster rancher in the first epsiodes . in future connection it looks like poipole was willingly happy to leave US instead of it being sucked into the wormhole unwillingly