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Sun & Moon Pokémon Speculation Thread

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DatsRight

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I'm really hoping Togedemaru and Sandy get move learn episodes before the league. While a lot of Pokemon still need to master Z Moves, they're the only ones without access to their trainer's respective crystals, and they also suffer from gripping overspecialisation right now. If either of them are up against a Rock/Ground type and their teammates are KOed, they're pretty much screwed.

Also Shaymin still needs to reveal a proper attack in its moveset AT ALL if Mallow is going to use it in the league (hopefully a Grass type).
 

ShadowForce720

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Maybe Shaymin is just Mallow's Togepi, and won't do anything till it leaves and transforms into its Sky Forme.

Considering how the pokefan scans talked about Shaymin, chances are it will be participating in the league because no matter how you try to argue it poke fan wouldn't have said that we don't know how a powerful battler it is yet, if Shaymin was just going to be a new togepi and not actually battle.

Here is what Pokefan said about Shaymin:

Shaymin: We don't know how powerful a battler it is yet, but there's no doubt everyone's really excited to see what it's capable of!

that line right there pretty much dispels any notion of Shaymin not battling, sure Poke fan doesn't always use the best description when it comes to some of the pokemon, however Poke fan wouldn't use a line that would imply or suggest that the pokemon would be battling at somepoint if the pokemon wasn't going to battle eventually. Basically while some of the pokemon might be in different stage by the time of the league then what is depicted in Pokefan all the pokemon that were shown and mentioned in the scans are going to be in the league regardless of whether or not they will be in a different stage.
 

DatsRight

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I just want to see Mallow DO SOMETHING with Shaymin. Even Togepi got reasonable limelight and bonding time with Misty despite being mostly inactive. Shaymin thus far has got all of one episode to develop, even Mallow's previous episode barely involved it. It's a freaking mythical, one from a previous gen for that matter, it feels like they could really play off the appeal that one of the trainers has more or less adopted one, battling or not.

Sandy is only relatively better off for that matter. It's jarring given how transformative the boy's secondaries were to them, along with the fact Meltan was caught after either of them and seems to be developing at a much better pace in terms of bonding and relevance to Ash.
 

1rkhachatryan

Call me Robert guys
So I'm under the impression that the Alolan League scans sort of spoiled if there will be any big changes to the gangs pokemon and honestly I can't see anything outside of those happening. I think the most we'll get is maybe some new moves used by the pokemon and then Lillie activating Magearna.
 

mehmeh1

Not thinking twice!
So I'm under the impression that the Alolan League scans sort of spoiled if there will be any big changes to the gangs pokemon and honestly I can't see anything outside of those happening. I think the most we'll get is maybe some new moves used by the pokemon and then Lillie activating Magearna.
Reminder that it lists hau's dartrix even though it's clearly going to evolve, or that it didn't show mallow's z ring even though it spoiled soph's
Anyways, yas there been no merch recently?
 

1rkhachatryan

Call me Robert guys
Reminder that it lists hau's dartrix even though it's clearly going to evolve, or that it didn't show mallow's z ring even though it spoiled soph's
Anyways, yas there been no merch recently?

Actually it did, it said Mallow was gonna get a power up in her recent episode. And who knows, Dartrix might not evolve.
 

ShadowForce720

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Actually it did, it said Mallow was gonna get a power up in her recent episode. And who knows, Dartrix might not evolve.

The Pokefan scans only went over information that were relevant to the episodes that we knew about at the time of the scans release and just shows some of the characters that are competing in the league however it in no way confirms what the exact teams will be, so basically just because a pokemon shows up in the scans in a certain stage or doesn't appear in the scans at all does not mean that the pokemon won't evolve or get caught and show up.
 

Leonhart

Imagineer
Hau's Fukuthrow will more than likely evolve. If it hasn't already happened off-screen, it'll likely happen as Hau battles at the League. I just can't see him doing that well with a mid-stage Starter Pokemon given that it seems to be his main Pokemon.
 

Zoruagible

Lover of underrated characters
Hau's Fukuthrow will more than likely evolve. If it hasn't already happened off-screen, it'll likely happen as he battles at the League. I just can't see him doing that well with a mid-staged Starter Pokemon given that it seems to be his main Pokemon.

Yeah, he's definitely going to have a Decidueye. There's literally no reason he wouldn't
Just going to be hard believing Rowlet's powerful enough to knock out a Decidueye given Ash's lack of training scenes/episodes and battles in general. Not even established it trains itself like Lycanroc and Torracat do with each other. I'd laugh if they just let Rowlet lose, this 'unevolved Pokemon beats fully evolved counterpart' thing is just old and tiring. I honestly don't care for it anymore, rivalries like Umbreon and Pikachu/Blastoise and Charizard, Electivre and Infernape, Serperior and Pikachu, and Greninja and Sceptile are much more exciting! Different Pokemon interacting with one another
 

i2i

Big Bad Wolf
So I'm under the impression that the Alolan League scans sort of spoiled if there will be any big changes to the gangs pokemon and honestly I can't see anything outside of those happening. I think the most we'll get is maybe some new moves used by the pokemon and then Lillie activating Magearna.

What about Melmetal?
 

dman_dustin

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Doubt it, since they didn't care about spoiling Vikavolt, Brionne and Primarina.

I don't think it's simply that they don't care about spoiling things (they don't), I think its a matter of "when they want the spoilers to be revealed"

Vikavolt had to be spoiled simply because it's a location based evolution, just like it would be pointless to not reveal an evolution for a stone based/item based Pokemon. Brionne felt a little tacked on for the sake of it, but they did want to illustrate Lana had purpose in the episode.

As for Primarina, it was only spoiled in the same vein as Ash's Greninja was (if we do not count the XY&Z poster) it was revealed within the episodes of the show, unfortunately I do realize yeah it was spoiled in the poster, so not the best example, but it was foreshadowed within the show. Primarina being spoiled in the preview of the episode, well I'm not sure how to qualify that other than yes, they spoiled when they wanted to spoil it (since the only reason to suspect Primarina was because it was a Lana episode, and Pokemon Fan said something would happen to Lana (aka one of her Pokemon evolves), especially with the whole debate of Lana catching Kyogre instead of Primarina when the episode was first revealed.

So for Incineroar, maybe they decided they wanted to keep Incineroar a relative secret and only want it to be revealed as close as possible to the actual air date?

Why? I don't know maybe Ash with Incineroar is a much bigger deal than anyone else, and want people to be surprised rather than already expecting it.

Who knows, because their inconsistent when it comes to spoilers. I miss the spoilery openings/endings.
 

Red and Blue

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They dont need to reveal Incineroar in any of the episode titles. Even if it evolves using it's Z move doesn't need to be the focus of one of the upcoming episodes.

Of course it's just as likely Torracat doesn't evolve in episode 125.
 

Leonhart

Imagineer
The thought of Nyaheat evolving in the Celebi episode feels more appropriate than it evolving at any other time in the future from my perspective. So if it doesn't evolve in that episode, I feel like its chances of evolving later on like during the League are slim.
 

DatsRight

Well-Known Member
I'm placing bets Torracat either evolves or gains some form of Z Move accessibility in the Celebi episode, be it a new crystal and a move to correspond with one Ash already has.
 

RileyXY1

Young Battle Trainer
I'm placing bets Torracat either evolves or gains some form of Z Move accessibility in the Celebi episode, be it a new crystal and a move to correspond with one Ash already has.
Except aside from Normalium, Torracat is not compatible with any other Z-Crystal Ash currently has. If Torracat is to get a new Z-Move Ash has to get a completely new one, unless Torracat learns Thrash for some reason.
 

Zoruagible

Lover of underrated characters
Incineroar is the best way to wrap up Torracat's story, there's really no other way they can do it without making Torracat feel unfinished
 
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