Pokegirl Fan~
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I honestly don't think they will. I guess they just don't see any reason to reason to have him win a league.
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I honestly don't think they will. I guess they just don't see any reason to reason to have him win a league.
345ash-greninja
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Maybe at some point after feeling the wrath of the fanbase, the writers will have no way but to have him win a League.
Spyro39
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Unfortunately, there was already the wrath of the fanbase when Ash lost the Kalos League, but the writers did nothing to respond or apologize.
It didn't get any better when the initial SM reveal was negative, yet the writers still didn't respond.
Pokegirl Fan~
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Yeah I don't think they really care about what the fanbase wants to see.
- BW happened. Writers didn't care.
- Kalos League happened. Writers didn't care.
Why on Earth should they start caring now lol? We are insignificant.
345ash-greninja
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Yeah that was honestly a betrayal on the part of the writers, they created false hope and hype that Ash will win this time, and still made him lose. But maybe they have learnt a lesson from the negative reaction back then and do something different from now on.
Golden_Latias
#SlayQueenSlay
A lot of episodes are like that. "Clefairy and the Moon Stone," "Hypno's Naptime," "Tentacool & Tentacruel," "March of the Exeggutor Squad," "Attack of the Prehistoric Pokemon," "Sparks Fly for Magnemite," "Mystery at the Lighthouse, "The Legend of Dratini" to name a few.
Pokegirl Fan~
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Yet they don't get hated on like SM so far; double standards I guess :/
Spyro39
Well-Known Member
Those were very old episodes. I doubt the fanbase even remembers that they were filler. :/
Heck, even I don't remember these episodes at all.
Either that, or they're protected by nostalgia.
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SinnohEevee
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The executives don't need to care about the backlash from Ash losing because the target audience for the show always gets renewed.
Even a former director (the first one) bluntly stated they don't need to care.
Even a former director (the first one) bluntly stated they don't need to care.
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lemoncatpower
Cynical Optimist
I'm just going to assume that since they're not new, they're not hated on, or thought about nearly as much since it's in the past, and half the fans weren't even alive when they were viewed. They have no bar on the current plot either.
Now that pokemon is so far in, the new stuff is what people are concerned about.
Personally I enjoy it, but I would have liked those plot progression episodes that were fake.
345ash-greninja
Auto-Memories Doll
Well, but there has been a continuous upward trend so far except for BW-
Kanto- Top 16
Johto- Top 8
Hoenn- Top 8
Sinnoh- Top 4
Unova- Top 8
Kalos- Top 2
See, there has been a constant progression. The regression in BW was corrected in XY. So maybe, at this rate, he will the next one or the one after that.
Darthlord7
The Smug Pikachu
Pretty much this.
After 20 years of the same treatment they aren't going to bother with this since it doesn't affect their target group.
SinnohEevee
Well-Known Member
I think they may even regress his ranking, keep it, or just remove the League all together.
This show survived Best Wishes after all.
345ash-greninja
Auto-Memories Doll
But the regression was very much corrected in XY.
SinnohEevee
Well-Known Member
They can skip the League in Gen 7 and pull another one in Gen 8. Most of those who watch Gen 5 would be outside the target audience by then anyways. The show survived a regression, it could survive another.
AuraChannelerChris
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Unova and Kalos don't count that much.
In Unova, his mentality and team choices were mediocre at best.
In Kalos, we were lucky we got to see two full battles, and he happened to be blessed by a super exclusive no one else owned (who got its power cut short in the end), and two of his six team members turned out to be jobbers.
The progression is ultimately pointless since Ash will never win the League until the show ends.
So really, what is even the point of Ash reaching the top 2?
He can't possibly go beyond that, so now whatever he reaches next will be disappointing and just cause more complaints from fans.
AuraChannelerChris
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Also, didn't the Kalos League get a low trainer count than others.
ShadowForce720
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Not really because if the writers truly didn't care about progression then Ash probably would have just been stuck in the Top 16-Top 8 in each region, and yet we know that's not the case, and plus let's be honest here most people didn't even think Ash would ever wind up being in the Top 2 in a league and thought that the writers would only ever let him get to Top 4, so no matter what gen it will be presuming that their will be more leagues at some point it's not really a question of it if Ash will win a league as a more question of when and how long it will be before wining a league and which generation it will be.
As for him not being able to go beyond Top 2, may I point out that I'm pretty sure some people said the same thing about going beyond Top 4 and yet that didn't stop Ash from getting Top 2 in Kalos. Plus it's not like oh if Ash wins the league that the show would have to end or his journey would have to end because it's not like him winning a league automatically makes him a pokemon master, and before you try to say that oh well Pokémon Master is such a vague goal as it's not known what it takes to become one and is left open to interpretation that does not mean that the show has to end when Ash wins a league.
Because saying that the show ends or Ash's journey would have to end if Ash wins a league is basically saying that Ash winning a league would make him pokemon master which isn't the case.
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