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He's talking about Lillie's family and Lusamine's fusion with Nihilego.
Wow, I guess that's how forgettable the story was...
He's talking about Lillie's family and Lusamine's fusion with Nihilego.
They want him to ditch the school and start traveling. That's all it really means, as far as I can tell.When people say they want a "plot" to start in S&M, I don't quite understand what this criticism is aimed at?
It's Pokemon anime, the "plot" is just a fetch quest of badges/symbols/crystals/whatever stretched out over the course of 140+ episodes with rivalries, Pokemon development and evil crime syndicate story lines mixed in. The only difference is we aren't getting generic COTD episodes in exchange for focus on the classmates and Pokemon, thank goodness.
When people say they want a "plot" to start in S&M, I don't quite understand what this criticism is aimed at?
It's Pokemon anime, the "plot" is just a fetch quest of badges/symbols/crystals/whatever stretched out over the course of 140+ episodes with rivalries, Pokemon development and evil crime syndicate story lines mixed in. The only difference is we aren't getting generic COTD episodes in exchange for focus on the classmates and Pokemon, thank goodness.
Ehhh, they still kind of stand around in the background and do nothing, especially Mallow and Sophocles.Agreed there really isn't much difference at all and I prefer it this way since cotd episodes are a waste of time imo. I like that the cast are getting more involved in fillers and getting focus in them instead of having them stand around in the background doing almost nothing
Ehhh, they still kind of stand around in the background and do nothing, especially Mallow and Sophocles.
Soph is getting an episode soon, but Mallow desperately needs another focus episode IMO. One where she's a little bit more active than in SM18. And her Steenee needs a personality, because that thing hasn't done **** since it evolved.
When people say they want a "plot" to start in S&M, I don't quite understand what this criticism is aimed at?
It's Pokemon anime, the "plot" is just a fetch quest of badges/symbols/crystals/whatever stretched out over the course of 140+ episodes with rivalries, Pokemon development and evil crime syndicate story lines mixed in. The only difference is we aren't getting generic COTD episodes in exchange for focus on the classmates and Pokemon, thank goodness.
I dunno, seems pretty nonpointless so far for the first thirty episodes? Rival introduction, team building, companion evolution, new moves, companion character building episodes, Pokemon plotline (Nyabby&Shiron), Rocket captures, crime syndicate episodes, Lillie's issues and family, Shiron's egg and hatching, Tapu Koko, also the gradual buildup to Iwanko and Nyabby joining the team, Pokemon personalities slowly being established (Ashimari, Togedemaru, etc.) They've been rotating through the cast for focus episodes, Mamane-Lillie-Mao-Suiren-Kaki.I said this in the Farewell Sophocles thread and I said it here a few posts ago in this page. People are under the impression that the school setting is what's holding back SM from having a "plot" because not much has happened so far outside of the typical captures/character development/buildup/filler episodes while Ash has been in school. We still have no idea when Ash is going to participate in his next trial because he has yet to express interest in it as he's been messing around with his friends in school in Melemele Island. That's why I'm hoping that once Gladion makes his debut, the anime can at least progress its plot in some form. Maybe then it can silence the naysayers who are claiming that ditching the school setting is the best move for SM once they finally get to see some "plot" happening starting with Gladion's debut appearance in SM027.
I dunno, seems pretty nonpointless so far for the first thirty episodes? Rival introduction, team building, companion evolution, new moves, companion character building episodes, Pokemon plotline (Nyabby&Shiron), Rocket captures, crime syndicate episodes, Lillie's issues and family, Shiron's egg and hatching, Tapu Koko, also the gradual buildup to Iwanko and Nyabby joining the team, Pokemon personalities slowly being established (Ashimari, Togedemaru, etc.) They've been rotating through the cast for focus episodes, Mamane-Lillie-Mao-Suiren-Kaki.
A LOT has happened.
And that's all fine and dandy, but what a lot of people want to see is the rest of the Trials, a rival, and more action from the villain teams. As spyro said, in 27 episodes, Ash will only have one Trial and one Grand Trial complete, and he hasn't shown any interest in completing any more Trials. I would consider this the equivalent of having only one Gym Badge, personally, and the only other series where Ash had only one Gym Badge 27 episodes in is DP. And DP had a lot going on, between Ash's rivalry with Paul, Dawn's Contests, Hunter J, and the usual capture and development episodesI dunno, seems pretty nonpointless so far for the first thirty episodes? Rival introduction, team building, companion evolution, new moves, companion character building episodes, Pokemon plotline (Nyabby&Shiron), Rocket captures, crime syndicate episodes, Lillie's issues and family, Shiron's egg and hatching, Tapu Koko, also the gradual buildup to Iwanko and Nyabby joining the team, Pokemon personalities slowly being established (Ashimari, Togedemaru, etc.) They've been rotating through the cast for focus episodes, Mamane-Lillie-Mao-Suiren-Kaki.
A LOT has happened.
When people say they want a "plot" to start in S&M, I don't quite understand what this criticism is aimed at?
It's Pokemon anime, the "plot" is just a fetch quest of badges/symbols/crystals/whatever stretched out over the course of 140+ episodes with rivalries, Pokemon development and evil crime syndicate story lines mixed in. The only difference is we aren't getting generic COTD episodes in exchange for focus on the classmates and Pokemon, thank goodness.
When people say they want a "plot" to start in S&M, I don't quite understand what this criticism is aimed at?
It's Pokemon anime, the "plot" is just a fetch quest of badges/symbols/crystals/whatever stretched out over the course of 140+ episodes with rivalries, Pokemon development and evil crime syndicate story lines mixed in. The only difference is we aren't getting generic COTD episodes in exchange for focus on the classmates and Pokemon, thank goodness.
Meh. I'm fine with Ash traveling as long as his traveling doesn't involve ditching the school entirely. That would be bad writing.Alola is a big place with of variety of characters and locales, i think melemele has just about run its course
SM05 and 11 gave us backstory for Lana and Kiawe respectively. SM16 showed us Lana is progressing in her goal. SM18 gave us a goal for Mallow. SM19 added to Sophocles's character with him using Ash and Pikachu as guinea pigs (something Clemont never did). And we've got SM26 coming up for Sophocles, as well. They're more set-up than development, granted, but it's not like these episodes aren't giving us anything about the.Except that the character focus episodes we get for the classmate don't give really any development for them and the character who got decent development is Lille.
Anyway, I've had some thoughts recently about all the characters regarding their development:
- We know Lillie is going to get some interaction with Gladion in SM27. Once that happens, she's fine.
- Kiawe and Lana are kind of in the same boat where focus episodes wouldn't hurt, but they're not needed as long as the writers keep giving them more humorous moments and stuff to do. Kiawe's pretty much already been established as a Large Ham, and he helps Ash with his training often enough, so as long as the writers keep that up, he probably won't need another focus episode until the Akala arc begins (don't really expect him to get anything until then).
Lana has been better in recent episodes. As Mr.Munchlax mentioned in the Character Discussion thread, lately the writers seem to be playing up the Deadpan Snarker side of her personality, and she and Popplio at least got to do something in SM22. Like with Kiawe, as long as the writers keep giving her more funny moments like the post-credit scene in SM23 and that scene with her sisters in SM24, as well as giving her and Popplio chances to shine like in SM22 (just little things like that, nothing major), she's fine without a focus episode for a little while. But since a lot of people seem to find her goal childish and uninteresting, another episode developing her goal a little bit wouldn't hurt.
- Mallow desperately needs another focus episode, one that does for her what SM14 did for Lillie. She needs an episode pretty much all to herself with little involvement from Ash and the other classmates where she gets to be the one to save the day, because she wasn't even very active in her own focus episode. The writers also need to establish a personality for Steenee, because she hasn't done anything since she evolved.
- Sophocles is getting an episode in SM26, but there's still work to be done with him. Like I said in that episode thread, they can start by establishing a goal for him and doing more to distinguish him from Clemont and just go from there (SM19 was a decent start for the latter, but they could still do more). That way, he would actually serve a purpose and not be there just to market Togedemaru. Personally, I think giving him a chance to save the day in a future episode and doing away with the "big eater" trope would also help.
Regardless of your opinion on Ash and co, you have to admit that TRio benefited greatly, a massive plus from the filler fodder they've been relegated to since the tail end of BW. They are now a threat to Ash and co, actively pursing z-moves, and finally got an evil lair like all good villains.
Regardless of your opinion on Ash and co, you have to admit that TRio benefited greatly, a massive plus from the filler fodder they've been relegated to since the tail end of BW. They are now a threat to Ash and co, actively pursing z-moves, and finally got an evil lair like all good villains.
Honestly I think the fillers or "pseudo fillers" for SM are more interesting and entertaining than the generic Johto-like cotd/potd/Team Rocket fillers from the past series