Super Smash Bros. Thread (Read the First Post)

[Hejiru]

But it still has enough characters from the universe that deserve to be represented.

Not really. Ridley is one, the major antagonist that keeps re-appearing. (Sounds a lot like some other Nintendo villians...)

But other than that... there's not that many.

Adam: They seem to be emphasizing him, so maybe, but unless a new game comes out with him in it, he's not that significant to the series overall.

Dark Samus: I suppose Dark Samus is a possibility, but if they were going to represent the Prime games, wouldn't they have done it in Brawl? When Corruption was on our minds?

Sylux: Until that "spaceship at the end" thing is expanded upon, Sylux is just another minor character in a minor game that only appeared once.

Anthony: Only important in Other M. Maybe if they feature him in another game, but for now, he's not that significant.

There's really not that many possible characters.

Nope. Kirby outsells Metroid. Let's name some other things that apparently outsell Metroid. Barbie. Spongebob. Petz.

I wasn't basing anything on sales. In the fandom, Mario, Zelda and Metroid are usually the go-to reps for Nintendo. Kirby, too. But Starfox, F-Zero, Fire Emblem, Pikmin... they are always mentioned behind Metroid.

And I don't know where the hell you're going with that last statement. What the hell does that have to do with Nintendo? Some things outsell video games altogether; what's your point?

 

[fhqwhgads]

Well, Ice Climbers, ROB and Game and Watch seem to be the exceptions,

If you can name THAT MANY exceptions, maybe you'd start to think, "Hmm, what if it's not an exception because there's no rule?"

but Lucario is represented because he's a popular character from a popular series. Hell, that's enough to get Ridley represented.

There's more popular Pokemon than Lucario. Lucario got in because he was an early release from gen 4, he got the 'movie that made you think maybe he was a legendary?'(as did Zoroark for this generation), and because his build and moveset could be close to Mewtwo's, so it took minimal work.

Not only that, but you attempted to compare Metroid's success to Pokemon's. Diamond and Pearl have outsold the whole Metroid series, Platinum is at half the sales of the Metroid series, Heartgold and Soulsilver are a few million behind the Metroid series, and Black and White are already up to within two million of the Metroid series.

And those are the main games that feature Lucario.

 

[Shneak]

Not really. Ridley is one, the major antagonist that keeps re-appearing. (Sounds a lot like some other Nintendo villians...)

But other than that... there's not that many.

Adam: They seem to be emphasizing him, so maybe, but unless a new game comes out with him in it, he's not that significant to the series overall.

Dark Samus: I suppose Dark Samus is a possibility, but if they were going to represent the Prime games, wouldn't they have done it in Brawl? When Corruption was on our minds?

Sylux: Until that "spaceship at the end" thing is expanded upon, Sylux is just another minor character in a minor game that only appeared once.

Anthony: Only important in Other M. Maybe if they feature him in another game, but for now, he's not that significant.

There's really not that many possible characters.

I didn't say the list was long, but there is enough potential.

 

[fhqwhgads]

I didn't say the list was long, but there is enough potential.

Still no. Potential characters =/= character nameable from a series.

 

[Shneak]

If you can name THAT MANY exceptions, maybe you'd start to think, "Hmm, what if it's not an exception because there's no rule?"

There's more popular Pokemon than Lucario. Lucario got in because he was an early release from gen 4, he got the 'movie that made you think maybe he was a legendary?'(as did Zoroark for this generation), and because his build and moveset could be close to Mewtwo's, so it took minimal work.

Not only that, but you attempted to compare Metroid's success to Pokemon's. Diamond and Pearl have outsold the whole Metroid series, Platinum is at half the sales of the Metroid series, Heartgold and Soulsilver are a few million behind the Metroid series, and Black and White are already up to within two million of the Metroid series.

And those are the main games that feature Lucario.

At the time, Lucario was definitely one of the most popular Pokemon in the fourth generation. It helps that he did get his own movie, and he was similar in build to Mewtwo.

No, I didn't. I was saying that Pokemon and Metroid are both popular, just not on the same level.

 

[Shneak]

Still no. Potential characters =/= character nameable from a series.

Well, if Starfox can get reps by cloning the same character and changing the colours of attacks, then Metroid could.

 

[fhqwhgads]

No, I didn't. I was saying that Pokemon and Metroid are both popular, just not on the same level.

Metroid is arguably internet-popular in terms of name recognition. That's it. Showing random people on the street pictures, I bet more people could recognize Kirby than Samus(or even A Metroid). While plenty of people that have some knowledge of games could name the Metroid series, it's just never seen great sales. That's another part of the reason why we only have Samus. A lot of people DON'T know anyone else. And for good reason. If you don't keep up with the lore/play many of the games, Ridley is just a standard robot/dragon boss that shows up near the end. He's not noteworthy as the overarching Big Bad.

 

[Shneak]

Metroid is arguably internet-popular in terms of name recognition. That's it. Showing random people on the street pictures, I bet more people could recognize Kirby than Samus(or even A Metroid). While plenty of people that have some knowledge of games could name the Metroid series, it's just never seen great sales. That's another part of the reason why we only have Samus. A lot of people DON'T know anyone else. And for good reason. If you don't keep up with the lore/play many of the games, Ridley is just a standard robot/dragon boss that shows up near the end. He's not noteworthy as the overarching Big Bad.

You have a point, but I guess it depends on the person and what games they've been exposed to. Pre-Brawl, I had no idea who Meta-Knight and DeDeDe were. I recognized Ridley more than DeDeDe.

As for the sales, I never really noticed Kirby has sold more. I guess it comes from the retro games.

 

[fhqwhgads]

You have a point, but I guess it depends on the person and what games they've been exposed to.

Obviously.

As for the sales, I never really noticed Kirby has sold more. I guess it comes from the retro games.

That would make sense if Metroid wasn't released SIX YEARS before the first Kirby game.

 

[Kabutopzilla]

Hey guys, CRASH F***ING BANDICOOT sold more than Metroid. Does anyone know what a crime that is?

Too much Metroid.. talk.

I'll bet if the talk was about Zelda, Mario, Pokémon (latter being most likely) or whatever games you like, and was spoken about to the degree Metroid is here, you wouldn't be so (apparently) annoyed.

Metroid deserves another rep, so Dark Samus isn't that bad of a choice, even if she's a clone.

Ridley...

Metroid is a popular series by Nintendo standards, more popular than Kirby, Star Fox and Fire Emblem. And yet, Metroid goes solo.

Um, no it's not. Metroid is criminally underrated. Just look at my opening statement in this post (and verify it if you feel such is necessary). If Metroid can't beat Crash Bandicoot, then God help us all.

Several others in the same universe? Sure there is, but if Dark Samus is the only Metroid rep that has a chance, then why not?

The hell? Dark Samus isn't the only one that has a chance.

You've got to be kidding. Mario, Zelda, and Metroid have always been known as Nintendo's 'big three'. (Grouping DK in with Mario). Metroid is not as big as Mario or Zelda, but it's still way ahead of the other franchises, and a Nintendo staple.

"Not as big" is an understatement. Metroid is ridiculously underrated. Because it sits in the shadow of Mario and Zelda, and because it only receives a new canon game every three or so years (sometimes even longer than that), it's less known to the public eye, meaning less sales, meaning less profit, which effectively makes it Nintendo's unwanted stepchild (though technically it's their biological child in such an analogy).

And they treat it like so, too. Ever since Gunpei Yokoi's death, Nintendo pretty much lost all interest in keeping Metroid up to date. Since Super Metroid, they made Fusion and Zero Mission, both of which are great games (especially the latter), and that's it. Fusion was admittedly clever and obviously had effort put into it, as did Zero Mission, but Zero Mission was also just a remake.

All other games that came out past Super Metroid had their weights dumped onto other companies, Retro for the Prime series and Team Ninja for Other M.

Prime started an uprising in Metroid's overall sales, but it wasn't nearly enough to even come close to its "brothers". Other M was made shortly after the Prime subseries ended, and didn't receive spectacular sales.

Nintendo really acts like it doesn't want Metroid anymore.

All of the other characters have only appeared in one game, or are not fighter material just based on their design (Metroids, Mother Brain...)

This logic can be averted with Omega Metroid (appeared in two games, built perfectly for a playable role), but I won't go there because other logic can point out Omega Metroid's likelihood (or lack thereof...).

And they seem to be trying to make Adam important, but he still hasn't appeared enough to be considered an important character to the series as a whole.

Um. Adam is important. Really important. If you don't count Mother Brain or the Chozo, Adam is the third most important character in the entire series, behind Ridley and Samus.

He's appeared in two games, Samus clearly has a massive amount of respect for the man, and he was her father figure during her time with the Federation. Though, yeah, that info came out on the manga first, it was clarified in Other M.

However, he admittedly isn't very developed as a combatant. So I don't necessarily want him playable, I'm just saying he fits pretty much all other unwritten criteria. Well, except for overall recognition.

Dark Samus: I suppose Dark Samus is a possibility, but if they were going to represent the Prime games, wouldn't they have done it in Brawl? When Corruption was on our minds?

Probably...

If the Prime subseries has to get a rep before the primary series, which would be silly, it'd have to be Dark Samus.

I wasn't basing anything on sales. In the fandom, Mario, Zelda and Metroid are usually the go-to reps for Nintendo. Kirby, too. But Starfox, F-Zero, Fire Emblem, Pikmin... they are always mentioned behind Metroid.

Haha, no.

Okay, if what you said here was true, then explain how there are so many expert fans of miscellaneous series, such as Mother, Pikmin, F-Zero, or StarFox (to name a few), to be found at this very forum, IN RATIO to the very small number of people who display expertise of Metroid (who haven't only played Prime 3).

 

[Hejiru]

Um. Adam is important. Really important. If you don't count Mother Brain or the Chozo, Adam is the third most important character in the entire series, behind Ridley and Samus.

Yeah, but he's only a recent addition to the Metroid story. He could still be playable, but I think he has a very slim chance.

Haha, no.

Okay, if what you said here was true, then explain how there are so many expert fans of miscellaneous series, such as Mother, Pikmin, F-Zero, or StarFox (to name a few), to be found at this very forum, IN RATIO to the very small number of people who display expertise of Metroid (who haven't only played Prime 3).

There's less Metroid experts than experts of other series? What?

 

[Kabutopzilla]

There's less Metroid experts than experts of other series? What?

Okay, rather flawed logic on my part.

It's still mysteriously not as popular as supposedly lesser-known series Nintendo made.

 

[RedStarWarrior]

This thread devolved.

These threads are still banned for the time being because of how they always end up.