Suspects

[Dragonicwari]

So, what do you think/hope will have a tier change. Don't limit yourself to what's being voted on right now, if you think aerodactyl should be uber, post that and why you think it should.

What tier do you think those not yet released in b/w will be placed in when they are?

Feel free to post whatever you think on the subject, and comment on each others posts. I'm always curious as to what member of my team will be deemed unfit for their tier.

 

[The Imposter]

Relatively interesting thread, but I figure this already exists somewhere.

Personally, I was surprised when Quagsire was made NU. With Unaware and Curse, he can set up on boosting sweepers with ease and sweep, even in OU. In every tier, it does its job well, and in tiers chock-full of boosting sweepers like RU, it's irreplaceable. Therefore, I'm expecting Quagsire to go to RU at the least, maybe UU or even OU.

 

[Ilan]

The unreleased ones:
Keldeo: probably OU for it's stats (too strong for UU).. he have poor special movepool though and low physical attack to use physical moves. probably it will use CM/Surf(Hydro pump)/Secret sword(Focus blast)/Sub or HP
Meloetta: OU for it's good speed on his alternate forme and being a great mixed sweeper.
Genesect: of course OU 120 offenses are great his bulk isn't something too outstanding 99 speed is far from broken it might drop to UU maybe but I don't think so
thunderbolt/firethrower/ice beam/bug buzz with choice scarf is really good in my opinion.

The next suspect might be Mespirit for RU as it's usage in NU is so high it is not NU anymore.

 

[The Imposter]

The unreleased ones:
Keldeo: probably OU for it's stats (too strong for UU).. he have poor special movepool though and low physical attack to use physical moves. probably it will use CM/Surf(Hydro pump)/Secret sword(Focus blast)/Sub or HP
Meloetta: OU for it's good speed on his alternate forme and being a great mixed sweeper.
Genesect: of course OU 120 offenses are great his bulk isn't something too outstanding 99 speed is far from broken it might drop to UU maybe but I don't think so
thunderbolt/firethrower/ice beam/bug buzz with choice scarf is really good in my opinion.

The next suspect might be Mespirit for RU as it's usage in NU is so high it is not NU anymore.

I highly doubt it, as it has to waste a turn and a moveslot to change to its alternate form. I'm betting UU or BL for that those excellent Special stats.

 

[Vandslaux]

Seriously, Jynx just -has- to go from NU. Anybody who has ever played NU probably knows this from experience.

 

[Ilan]

I highly doubt it, as it has to waste a turn and a moveslot to change to its alternate form. I'm betting UU or BL for that those excellent Special stats.

Waste a turn? using a base 75 STAB (112.5) BP attack with 20% chance (serene grace) to induce sleep move?
coming from a base 128 Special attack

 

[Aquadon]

Waste a turn? using a base 75 STAB (112.5) BP attack with 20% chance (serene grace) to induce sleep move?
coming from a base 128 Special attack

While that may be true, you then have a Physical Sweeper with a Special Move. You either have to invest in its ATK and use a Special Move, or its SpA and not use Ancient Song (which is plausible, but no one's thinking that). I'm thinking UU at best for Meloetta.

 

[Ilan]

While that may be true, you then have a Physical Sweeper with a Special Move. You either have to invest in its ATK and use a Special Move, or its SpA and not use Ancient Song (which is plausible, but no one's thinking that). I'm thinking UU at best for Meloetta.

ever heard of mixed attacker?

What's the problem with that? it use a special move that is kind of a "set up" move or stay in it's normal forme and use psychic

it's set need to be like this:

@life orb
nature:naive/hasty
TRait:serene Grace
EVs: 212 attack, 252 speed, 44 sp.attack
Relic song
Close combat
Shadow Claw
Psychic

it can be also a good wall for being able to manipulate it's defenses according to whom it's face 100 hp 128 sp.defence in base form

128 speed after transformation outspeed all none scarfers of OU

also it can change it's type in battle so it have 3 STABS!

 

[Blue Harvest]

ever heard of mixed attacker?

What's the problem with that? it use a special move that is kind of a "set up" move or stay in it's normal forme and use psychic

it's set need to be like this:

@life orb
nature:naive/hasty
TRait:serene Grace
EVs: 212 attack, 252 speed, 44 sp.attack
Relic song
Close combat
Shadow Claw
Psychic

it can be also a good wall for being able to manipulate it's defenses according to whom it's face 100 hp 128 sp.defence in base form

128 speed after transformation outspeed all none scarfers of OU

also it can change it's type in battle so it have 3 STABS!

You can also abandon transforming entirely. 90 is enough speed to outrun an entire stall team you you can attempt something like Close Combat / Thunderbolt / Energy Ball / HP Ice.

Nothing wrong with running Relic Song / CC / Stone Edge / Thunderbolt with Naive nature. 77 base Special Attack isn't much but Relic Song hits hard off the bat and has a 20% chance of destroying its counter.

There's also a purely special attacker. It gets Psyshock, Calm Mind and pretty much everything it would ever need to kill something.

Also a Scarf set could kinda work though its inferior to pretty much everything else like Landorus, Terrakion and Jirachi.

Special Defensive could be usable. Its the best Gengar counter in the game, taking 30% max from LO Gengar Focus Blast while being immune or neutral to its other moves. It gets Trick Room, Thunder Wave and other support moves to use on incoming pokes. It still gets Close Combat to batter Tyranitar with if needed.

On their own each set isn't terribly scary but until you know what its running you will need to guess to not lose a Pokemon.

 

[Elements115]

i think terrakion should go uber its too good for ou in my opinion :/ its such a beast and revenge killer..

 

[zerofield]

i think terrakion should go uber its too good for ou in my opinion :/ its such a beast and revenge killer..

it's good, but not broken. with some prediction you can play around choiced variants, and the non-choiced ones have been easier in my experience. definitely not ubers material.

 

[Ice Blue Dragon]

i think terrakion should go uber its too good for ou in my opinion :/ its such a beast and revenge killer..

Terrakion is not impossible to counter. Commen forms of priorty such as mach punch aqua jet, bullet punch, and to an extent, vaucum wave will cause large amounts of damage. For the choice sets, you just need to predict a little. If it is sent out on chansey, switch to jellenet for an incoming close combat. Strong yes, Un-counterable, no.

 

[kaiser soze]

i think terrakion should go uber its too good for ou in my opinion :/ its such a beast and revenge killer..

So, you don't have any Water, Ground, Fighting, Grass, or Psychic types on your teams?

It's also weak to Bullet Punch, Mach Punch, and Force Palm, to overcome the speed advantage.

 

[Zachmac]

Sometimes I feel like saying baton pass chains and SubMind Jirachi should be banned, but I never do and just look for ways around them.

 

[zerofield]

i would say exca should be legal except with sand stream on the same team, but that would
A) kill sand (at least, non-semi-defensive sand)
B) give my sun team the spinner it actually wants.

 

[foxyman1167]

i would say exca should be legal except with sand stream on the same team, but that would
A) kill sand (at least, non-semi-defensive sand)
B) give my sun team the spinner it actually wants.



funny bcuz comet

Not really, you're trying to compare Sandstream + Sand Rush with Drizzle + Swift Swim, but there are a lot more Swift Swimmers than Sand Rushers.

 

[Ilan]

Stoutland is kind of balanced so is sandslash..

so it isn't broken...

 

[White2011]

And to the person saying lucario is really good-it gets owned by fighing type moves. One drain punch from a toxicroak or anything else can pretty much near OHKO it.

 

[bugcatchersdream]

After the tier change, Sigilyph's going to have to be banned from RU. It's essentially a combination of Cresselia and Sabeleye, but with reliable recovery.

 

[complete legitimacy]

Terrakion is not impossible to counter. Commen forms of priorty such as mach punch aqua jet, bullet punch, and to an extent, vaucum wave will cause large amounts of damage. For the choice sets, you just need to predict a little. If it is sent out on chansey, switch to jellenet for an incoming close combat. Strong yes, Un-counterable, no.

The problem with this is that any decent player using Terrakion would use Stone Edge, predicting a switch out. You're screwed if it's a Choice Band variant, since that would 2HKO any Jellicent. Stay in, get wrecked. Switch out, get wrecked. That's what Terrakion is.