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What to say,despite knowing about this blogs before im still disappointed with motives and actions behind writers,especially when it comes to Misty.First they introduce her in show,give her plots,start to develop her just to slowly stop with time ditching her in end with her halfway developed story never getting ending nor progress.They did big mistake with this.
If she didnt had much of a purpose,than why writers even bothered giving her goal,introducing plots which formed initial storyline or for that matter including her in show in first place?Why he made her likeable character,giving her personality and ambitions.
She definitely had stronger justification for being in show than Tracey or Max had(compared to her they barely did anything),and im still trying to figure out how on earth Brock had stronger position in show than she does?
Sure he cooks and cleans,but in terms of character interaction and battling screen time Misty leads by far.Even if she had "weakest justification" he could have strengthen it making her position in this anime more secure.Like expanding more on her goal and story in Johto,that would be a step forward.But i guess he was too lazy,waiting for opportunity to ditch her out.
As for his statement how there wasnt romance in this show.I may not be a shipper but i cant deny how Misty/Kasumi showed romantic affection toward Ash in Kanto and OI.Hell even in Johto there were some moments which implied this pretty obviously like when she was jealous at Macy when she was around Ash at Johto league.
If he didnt wanted romance in this show,its his fault that he included some things which leaded toward fanbase misunderstanding his intension.
Well im glad he isnt head writer anymore,because frankly if you dont care about characters you write for your not good writer at all.And judging by fanbase negative reactions when Misty was replaced,with people all over the world wanting her return,he miscalculated himself when he took her out.
New head writer is obviously better as Pokemon Advance and DP showed with improvements they made..
One correction.Those are views only from mr.Shudo who did construction for original series until mid Johto.We dont know how other writers felt about Misty character nor if everyone agreed with him.
Going by Takeshi Shudo blogs it was implied how he planned to replace Misty long before Johto even began but considering original trio was very popular with anime going strong and since not all members of writing staff shared same opinion he had no choice but to keep character.
I can,show would probably got better considering how in that case we might have had for first time in history two girls in same cast.Since Misty would stay in case of TR being replaced and May would possibly join to promote contests this would ring doz of fresh air into cast allowing for some great dynamic.
Not to mention Misty might in that case be given justice as character never being developed to full potential with many things in character story being left unfinished and unexplored.Judging by increase of her focus in Master Quest getting better treatment toward end of Johto make it seem how other writers tried to redeem for mr.Shudo mistakes.
Her story was to become water pokemon master(concept which was never much explored),sh had complex of inferiority caused by older sisters feeling less worthy and she wanted to explore pokemon world catching and learning about water types as much as she can.
Misty had potential,story and undiscovered things to develop and flesh pout character but unfortunately she was victim of poor writing and lack of Takeshi Shudo care.He admitted blatantly how he never liked her.
However we dont know how other writers felt about Misty character with some things being done in original series implying how not everyone agreed with mr.Shudo viewpoint as i pointed out above.
I wouldnt be so sure about that.If you compare amount of focus and character centric episodes Brock and Misty received in Kanto and Johto she leads getting notably bigger amount of spotlight.
She also received some good development going from short tempered girl in more mature and level headed character developing in nice blend of spunky and playful yet more self confident and responsible character.Her skills as water trainer also vastly improved,managed to get over far from Gyarados and complex of inferiority caused by sisters.
When taking in account all seasons Brock was in show this may not be the case,but in original series Misty received more development than Brock did.
Also taking Misty out was in reality mistake,because her character was never given justice.Many things going for story were underdeveloped never receiving closure as well having lot of potential to do more which was never used because of mr.Shudo fault.Instead they just ditch her like garbage.
And i dont think im the only one who share this opinion because many fans are disappointed with Misty mistreatment wanting her back.
Not at all.Mr.Shudo himself admitted how it was his mistake of not developing Misty character and story enough replacing her while laving lot of potential unused,apologizing for character poor treatment.
Anyone who watched original series can clearly notice how much things in story were never developed regarding Misty.Like goal of becoming water pokemon master which was unexplored for most part,her backstory(not knowing many things like what happened with parents,why she prefers water type,why she fears bugs etc),several of her pokemon were unexplored(like Psyduck,Horsea,Starmie) etc leaving lot of untapped potential there which could be used to do more with her character.
Unlike its case with Dawn or May we dont know even motives behind Misty desire to become water pokemon master and what influenced her to have preference for one type.We didnt see Misty overcoming her personal issues which stand on her way of becoming water pokemon master never coming to significant realization how to achieve her dreams either.
We got in end nothing,despite there existing several directions through which Misty story could have been taken.
Reason Misty got replaced was because ratings started to decline with writers wanting to add some change in cast.Since she had weakest role to stay due to his fault of not being developed enough and considering how he had preference toward TR stay its obvious why female lead was chose as one who got the axe.
EDIT:apologies for mentioning pokeshipping.When i was writing this message i didnt read all previous posts just wanting to give my 2 cents about everything which was said in blogs.I wont mention it again.
Two things to correct.Just because you thought Misty "personality was ruined"=/=other sharing same opinion.Misty didn't get enough focus for a long saga like Johto was that is pretty much obvious,but she was anything but bland being full of personality having several achievements there.She actually received little more screen time in Johto than she did in Orange or Kanto.It was agreed upon fandom how Misty development as character starting to mature was positive thing because it allowed to build up on established character exploring different personality traits giving it overall more depth liking further character growth it happened in chronicles and Hoenn with Misty growing in more selfconfident and mature character while still being quirky and spunky retaining enjoyable traits.
Just like most liked Ash maturity in Hoenn or Mays at end of Battle Frontier.
Most people thought Misty was personality wise after getting Togepi and in Johto fine,still being quirky,flamboyant and appealing while other personality traits being explored more starting to mature.Their biggest issue with character in Johto was that Misty was never developed much with story going nowhere during Johto.
For record lack of screentime=/=affecting quality of personality.If someone is often in bacground not being able to display his traits and interact with others doesnt mean his character sucks,because what counts is what kind of chemistry he produce when being center of attention.And Misty definitely showed plenty of character when being center of attention in Johto not being much different compared to Kanto days(aside from being less violent)..
Misty laving was surprising in itself because people thought original trio will be permanent cast(especially after Brock return),with Misty being very liked and popular.If anything fact that her story started to go somewhere in Master Quest gave out wrong impression to people how her character is going to stay considering writers finally started to div more into character.
At last thats what i noticed judging by some of people posts back than.
Also last time i checked Brock did a lot less than Misty did in Johto.
Misty received more focus,battled more,had her own arc(like Whirl Cup) and had more involvement in group chemistry and interaction with characters which can b noticed with established relationship with several characters out there.
If she didnt had much of a purpose,than why writers even bothered giving her goal,introducing plots which formed initial storyline or for that matter including her in show in first place?Why he made her likeable character,giving her personality and ambitions.
She definitely had stronger justification for being in show than Tracey or Max had(compared to her they barely did anything),and im still trying to figure out how on earth Brock had stronger position in show than she does?
Sure he cooks and cleans,but in terms of character interaction and battling screen time Misty leads by far.Even if she had "weakest justification" he could have strengthen it making her position in this anime more secure.Like expanding more on her goal and story in Johto,that would be a step forward.But i guess he was too lazy,waiting for opportunity to ditch her out.
As for his statement how there wasnt romance in this show.I may not be a shipper but i cant deny how Misty/Kasumi showed romantic affection toward Ash in Kanto and OI.Hell even in Johto there were some moments which implied this pretty obviously like when she was jealous at Macy when she was around Ash at Johto league.
If he didnt wanted romance in this show,its his fault that he included some things which leaded toward fanbase misunderstanding his intension.
Well im glad he isnt head writer anymore,because frankly if you dont care about characters you write for your not good writer at all.And judging by fanbase negative reactions when Misty was replaced,with people all over the world wanting her return,he miscalculated himself when he took her out.
New head writer is obviously better as Pokemon Advance and DP showed with improvements they made..
Here is the direct quote about how the writers felt about Misty during the Johto days:
One correction.Those are views only from mr.Shudo who did construction for original series until mid Johto.We dont know how other writers felt about Misty character nor if everyone agreed with him.
Going by Takeshi Shudo blogs it was implied how he planned to replace Misty long before Johto even began but considering original trio was very popular with anime going strong and since not all members of writing staff shared same opinion he had no choice but to keep character.
Also interesting to note is they were also considering having Team Rocket leave the anime at the end of Johto, but instead kept them around. Can you imagine how different this show would be if TR really left at the end of Johto?
I can,show would probably got better considering how in that case we might have had for first time in history two girls in same cast.Since Misty would stay in case of TR being replaced and May would possibly join to promote contests this would ring doz of fresh air into cast allowing for some great dynamic.
Not to mention Misty might in that case be given justice as character never being developed to full potential with many things in character story being left unfinished and unexplored.Judging by increase of her focus in Master Quest getting better treatment toward end of Johto make it seem how other writers tried to redeem for mr.Shudo mistakes.
Now, as a character, Misty was fine, but I will admit that besides Water Pokemon, she didn't really get any sort of storyline. Hell, she at least had something, while Brock... nothing.
Her story was to become water pokemon master(concept which was never much explored),sh had complex of inferiority caused by older sisters feeling less worthy and she wanted to explore pokemon world catching and learning about water types as much as she can.
Misty had potential,story and undiscovered things to develop and flesh pout character but unfortunately she was victim of poor writing and lack of Takeshi Shudo care.He admitted blatantly how he never liked her.
However we dont know how other writers felt about Misty character with some things being done in original series implying how not everyone agreed with mr.Shudo viewpoint as i pointed out above.
Im not looking for a debate either, but I thought it was quite clear that Brock had more of a story (or development if you call it that) than Misty.
Still, let's leave it there.
I wouldnt be so sure about that.If you compare amount of focus and character centric episodes Brock and Misty received in Kanto and Johto she leads getting notably bigger amount of spotlight.
She also received some good development going from short tempered girl in more mature and level headed character developing in nice blend of spunky and playful yet more self confident and responsible character.Her skills as water trainer also vastly improved,managed to get over far from Gyarados and complex of inferiority caused by sisters.
When taking in account all seasons Brock was in show this may not be the case,but in original series Misty received more development than Brock did.
Also taking Misty out was in reality mistake,because her character was never given justice.Many things going for story were underdeveloped never receiving closure as well having lot of potential to do more which was never used because of mr.Shudo fault.Instead they just ditch her like garbage.
And i dont think im the only one who share this opinion because many fans are disappointed with Misty mistreatment wanting her back.
So Misty left because they had nothing else for her to do?
Not at all.Mr.Shudo himself admitted how it was his mistake of not developing Misty character and story enough replacing her while laving lot of potential unused,apologizing for character poor treatment.
Anyone who watched original series can clearly notice how much things in story were never developed regarding Misty.Like goal of becoming water pokemon master which was unexplored for most part,her backstory(not knowing many things like what happened with parents,why she prefers water type,why she fears bugs etc),several of her pokemon were unexplored(like Psyduck,Horsea,Starmie) etc leaving lot of untapped potential there which could be used to do more with her character.
Unlike its case with Dawn or May we dont know even motives behind Misty desire to become water pokemon master and what influenced her to have preference for one type.We didnt see Misty overcoming her personal issues which stand on her way of becoming water pokemon master never coming to significant realization how to achieve her dreams either.
We got in end nothing,despite there existing several directions through which Misty story could have been taken.
Reason Misty got replaced was because ratings started to decline with writers wanting to add some change in cast.Since she had weakest role to stay due to his fault of not being developed enough and considering how he had preference toward TR stay its obvious why female lead was chose as one who got the axe.
EDIT:apologies for mentioning pokeshipping.When i was writing this message i didnt read all previous posts just wanting to give my 2 cents about everything which was said in blogs.I wont mention it again.
So about Misty's reason for leaving, its not exactly surprising, is it?
We all knew Misty got stale in Johto, people used to talk about how Togepi ruined her personality. She hardly did anything over the entire span of Johto besides those few water-centric fillers they gave her and the Whirl Cup.
Two things to correct.Just because you thought Misty "personality was ruined"=/=other sharing same opinion.Misty didn't get enough focus for a long saga like Johto was that is pretty much obvious,but she was anything but bland being full of personality having several achievements there.She actually received little more screen time in Johto than she did in Orange or Kanto.It was agreed upon fandom how Misty development as character starting to mature was positive thing because it allowed to build up on established character exploring different personality traits giving it overall more depth liking further character growth it happened in chronicles and Hoenn with Misty growing in more selfconfident and mature character while still being quirky and spunky retaining enjoyable traits.
Just like most liked Ash maturity in Hoenn or Mays at end of Battle Frontier.
Most people thought Misty was personality wise after getting Togepi and in Johto fine,still being quirky,flamboyant and appealing while other personality traits being explored more starting to mature.Their biggest issue with character in Johto was that Misty was never developed much with story going nowhere during Johto.
For record lack of screentime=/=affecting quality of personality.If someone is often in bacground not being able to display his traits and interact with others doesnt mean his character sucks,because what counts is what kind of chemistry he produce when being center of attention.And Misty definitely showed plenty of character when being center of attention in Johto not being much different compared to Kanto days(aside from being less violent)..
Misty laving was surprising in itself because people thought original trio will be permanent cast(especially after Brock return),with Misty being very liked and popular.If anything fact that her story started to go somewhere in Master Quest gave out wrong impression to people how her character is going to stay considering writers finally started to div more into character.
At last thats what i noticed judging by some of people posts back than.
Also last time i checked Brock did a lot less than Misty did in Johto.
Misty received more focus,battled more,had her own arc(like Whirl Cup) and had more involvement in group chemistry and interaction with characters which can b noticed with established relationship with several characters out there.
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