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Talonflame Discussion Thread

Discussion in '6th Gen' started by McDanger, Nov 7, 2013.

  1. Eaglehawk

    Eaglehawk Banned

    Everything is legal on Pokebank OU, so Flying Gem + Acrobatics on Talonflame is perfectly reasonable.
     
  2. Items cannot be passed over through Pokebank. . .
    Technically speaking, it shouldn't be legal.

    Besides, gems only boost it by x1.3 now. . .
    That's a pretty big loss.
     
  3. McDanger

    McDanger Well-Known Member

    tbh acro talonflame is stronger than brave bird on showdown cause the flying gem, plus lacks the recoil, tho brave bird has more power by 10 points, its just preference really
     
  4. ghost_dog97

    ghost_dog97 the sweeper

    THANK YOU!!!! a mod agrees with me
     
  5. Divine Retribution

    Divine Retribution Master of the freak show

    Except for the part where you suggested Sharp Beak and Acrobatics on the same set.

    And Brave Bird with Focus Sash. And Sky Attack at all.
     
  6. Klaus™

    Klaus™ Banned

    Except supposedly Pokebank doesnt transfer items (thx gibbsy!) so technically in 6th gen brave bird will ALWAYS be stronger than acro+flying gem due tothe absence of flying gem

    Supposedly.
     
  7. ghost_dog97

    ghost_dog97 the sweeper

    you can get gems by smashing rocks in kalos smart one
     
  8. Divine Retribution

    Divine Retribution Master of the freak show

    Just some food for thought.

    252+ Atk Sharp Beak (custom) Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 127-151 (32.23 - 38.32%) -- 1.76% chance to 3HKO
    (127, 129, 130, 132, 133, 135, 136, 138, 139, 141, 142, 144, 145, 147, 148, 151)

    252+ Atk (custom) Sky Attack vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 124-147 (31.47 - 37.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
    (124, 126, 127, 129, 130, 132, 133, 135, 136, 138, 139, 141, 142, 144, 145, 147)

    Sky Attack won't even outdamage Sharp Beak boosted Brave Bird. No reason to use it. Ever.



    Seriously dude? People disagree with you and you get defensive over that?
     
  9. ghost_dog97

    ghost_dog97 the sweeper

    lmao, but its true! I got a normal gem, a fire gem, AND a flying gem by smashing random rocks in random caves
     
  10. Wait, this was on X or Y? Do you have pictures of this? Because people everywhere have been waiting for (heck, practically salivating over) the possibility of finding other gems besides the Normal Gem in X and Y.

    It should be noted that according to several tests, gems only boost a move by 30% now. Still, 143 BP on the first Acrobatics is still pretty solid.
     
  11. ghost_dog97

    ghost_dog97 the sweeper

    yes sir its in x and y, I traveled to different caves too so don't just stay stationary in one cave.
     
  12. Ok, cool. Could you please get a picture of them in the game? If you could, you would really make Talonflame's day since no one has been able to confirm the presence of anything but the Normal Gem so far. As far as we know, the Flying Gem is unavailable, so getting real evidence of that would be awesome.
     
  13. ghost_dog97

    ghost_dog97 the sweeper

    I cannot post a picture from my game because Idk how to upload it onto my computer
     
  14. McDanger

    McDanger Well-Known Member

    you take a picture with a camera and upload it from there, tho sometimes the pictures come out bad.

    As an alternative to a flying gem i could see a weakening berry being used, such as a passho to give it more staying power against threats such as rotom, but is overall inferior, but is still worth a mention i think due to its ability to give it more staying power, tho in that case, return would be a good idea so you can actually muscle through rotom wash, its a 2hko at +2.
     
  15. ghost_dog97

    ghost_dog97 the sweeper

    ...oh, try rock smashing and dowsing machine in terminus cave! that's where I found my normal gem and fire gem...
    OH CRIPES, I FORGOT THAT I GOT FLYING GEM VIA PICKUP!!!!!!!!!
    sorry dude =(
     
  16. McDanger

    McDanger Well-Known Member

    hmm you can take a picture of the item in your bag as no one has yet been able to hack the 3ds, so it makes it legitimate. I`ld assume that they`ld bring gems back like that due to pokebank not letting you move items.
     
  17. ghost_dog97

    ghost_dog97 the sweeper

    correction, I said focus sash with swords dance (followed by acrobatics), and sharp beak with brave bird, and power herb with sky attack
    for a person who is really smart, you should've known that I didn't say focus sash and brave bird on the same set
     
  18. Pretty sure he doesn't have a flying Gem.
    I doubt out of all the people using pick up, including me, he is the only one to come across a Flying Gem.
    No other gem has been found except Normal. So, I'm a bit skeptical on that.

    But, as soon as it is legal AcroGem Talon flame FTW. :3
     
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  19. Divine Retribution

    Divine Retribution Master of the freak show

    Given the quality of your other posts I was shooting a bit low.



    +2 252+ Atk Flying Gem (custom) Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 291-343 (73.85 - 87.05%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    (291, 294, 298, 301, 304, 309, 312, 315, 318, 322, 325, 328, 333, 336, 339, 343)

    +2 252+ Atk Flying Gem (custom) Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 570-672 (80.96 - 95.45%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    (570, 577, 583, 591, 597, 604, 610, 618, 624, 631, 637, 645, 651, 658, 664, 672)

    +2 252+ Atk Flying Gem (custom) Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Donphan: 273-322 (71.09 - 83.85%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    (273, 276, 280, 283, 286, 289, 292, 295, 298, 303, 306, 309, 312, 315, 318, 322)


    +2 252+ Atk Flying Gem (custom) Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 48+ Def Ferrothorn: 298-352 (84.65 - 100%) -- 6.25% chance to OHKO
    (298, 303, 306, 309, 313, 316, 319, 324, 327, 330, 334, 337, 340, 345, 348, 352)


    +2 252+ Atk Flying Gem (custom) Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hippowdon: 277-327 (65.95 - 77.85%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    (277, 280, 283, 286, 291, 294, 297, 300, 303, 306, 310, 313, 316, 319, 322, 327)

    +2 252+ Atk Flying Gem (custom) Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 244 HP / 248+ Def Gliscor: 267-315 (75.85 - 89.48%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    (267, 270, 273, 276, 279, 283, 286, 289, 292, 295, 298, 301, 304, 307, 310, 315)


    A lot of Pokemon that are usually safe switch-ins just get hammered by a +2 Flying Gem Acrobatics.
    EDIT: Yeah I realize Ferrothorn is on this list and no sane person would ever switch Ferrothorn into Talonflame. Deal with it.
    EDIT2: If there's anything to take away from this I think it's that Talonflame wants hazards and lots of them, cause they turn 2HKOs into OHKOs.
     
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2013
  20. Did you do these calcs with the new power behind the gems? They're no longer x1.5, they're x1.3.
     

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