Team #2 - 2v2

[Dane]

After finding out Nintendo's events are generally 2v2, I've decided that my team would need an update. I've tried to compliment the characters in groups of 2 since I'm not positive exactly what rules Nintendo uses outside of 2v2 and item clause.

Charizard @ Salac Berry (+Spd)
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd (Depending on eventual IVs, EVs will change to give me exactly HP/4)
Adamant Nature
- Belly Drum
- Substitute
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake

Clefable @ Focus Band
Trait: Cute Charm
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Careful Nature
- Follow Me
- Moonlight/Softboiled (is there any difference?)
- Psych Up
- Meteor Mash

Gengar @
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 SPD
Mild Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Giga Drain
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Punch

Tentacruel @
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Serious Nature
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Sword Dance
- Sludge Bomb

Breloom @
Trait: Spore
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Spore
- Focus Punch
- Mach Punch
- Substitute

Scizor @ Leftovers
Trait: Swarm
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adament Nature
- Silver Wind
- Sword Dance
- Agility
- Steel Wing


Like I said, I'm not sure exactly what Nintendo's standard rules are other than the item clause and that it's 2v2. I feel that Charizard and Clefable compliment each other very well. Not so sure what items to give to Gengar, Tentacruel, or Breloom. I wanted to give Gengar Ice punch, but I don't have Emerald and thusly no access to it's move tutors. I feel as if Breloom and Scizor could come out for something, but not sure what (Not Skarm/Bliss, but I'm open to other tankers if they'd work well in 2v2).

 

[Fluorescent Adolescent]

I don't do 2 Vs 2 but its obvious that bellyzard fails. I mean for gods sake, the opposition will just kill it before it gets the chance to set up ;/

 

[pikadon92]

^Agreed. Your oppoment might either use rockslide or planned to tackle clefable first. Also for charizard:

Charizard @ Salac Berry (+Spd)/Petaya
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spd (Depending on eventual IVs, EVs will change to give me exactly HP/4)
Timid/Modest Nature
- Flamethrower
- Substitute
- Dragon Claw
- Hidden Power-Grass

First, using bellyzard is suicide. Remove half of hp, and your oppoment use an attack that hurts BOTH your pokemon, then charizard'll never survive. Second, why would you waist it's precious blaze ability?

 

[Hey Micky!]

You can probably make your life a whole lot easier with a few Pokemon with CB Boom alongside a Ghost or Pokemon with protect. Hate to sound cynical but I'm not banking on your opponents knowing about it.

 

[Dane]

I don't do 2 Vs 2 but its obvious that bellyzard fails. I mean for gods sake, the opposition will just kill it before it gets the chance to set up ;/

I wasn't sure what attacks would be able to hit Charizard after Clefable uses Follow Me since, like you, I don't do 2v2 often enough to know.

You can probably make your life a whole lot easier with a few Pokemon with CB Boom alongside a Ghost or Pokemon with protect. Hate to sound cynical but I'm not banking on your opponents knowing about it.

Sounds like it might be a good plan since I'm already using Gengar. I assume by CB Boom you're referring to Choice Banding Explosion, correct? If so, I could use either Shiftry or Metagross (depending on whether I wanted more Speed (Shiftry) or more Attack (Metagross). Metagross seems like the better choice, but he's so overused =/). I'd probably take out Breloom for a CB Boomer, or do you think Scizor would be better to take out?

Charizard @ Salac Berry (+Spd)/Petaya
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spd (Depending on eventual IVs, EVs will change to give me exactly HP/4)
Timid/Modest Nature
- Flamethrower
- Substitute
- Dragon Claw
- Hidden Power-Grass

First, using bellyzard is suicide. Remove half of hp, and your oppoment use an attack that hurts BOTH your pokemon, then charizard'll never survive. Second, why would you waist it's precious blaze ability?

In my 1v1 thread (before I knew Nintendo events were 2v2), I was told to switch from a Special/Mixed Sweeping Charizard to a Bellyzard. =/

Anyone have any ideas for items on the last two Pokemon, or what other kinds of rules Nintendo events usually have (like, how the battles are fought since I heard 3 battles of 2v2, which can be interpretted in a few ways)?

 

[microgamer]

Not a lot of tanks have a chance of actually doing something in 2vs2. The most common are Dusclops and Claydol.

Metagross@Leftovers or w/e
-Agility
-Earthquake
-Meteor Mash
-Explosion

This kills a lot of things. Focus on sweeping first and then when there's an annoying pokemon that just won't die, KABOOM!!! You'd probably kill the entire competition seeing as it is a Nintendo event where most of the kids have Hyper Beam on any pokemon that can learn it.

Breloom has some 2vs2 potential with Helping Hand and Mach Punch. Substitue+Focus Punch combo doesn't work too well in 2vs2 though since the sub can break and your pokemon can get hit in the same turn. In fact, Focus Punch in general fails in 2vs2.

Sidenote on Tentacruel: In case you didn't know, Surf's base power is split in half between both opponents. Other options like Waterfall and Hydro Pump maintain the same damage as in 1vs1 but it only hits one pokemon per turn. So you have a decision between hitting one opponent with 80 power and 100% accuracy, hitting two opponents with 47.5 power and 100%, or 120 power and 80% accuracy.

As for the items, you can either dump the stat boosting berries on them or (do I DARE say it) 10% boost items (Charcoal, Black Belt, and the other useless pieces of crap).

...I was told to switch from a Special/Mixed Sweeping Charizard to a Bellyzard. =/

Who the hell told you that?

 

[Hey Micky!]

Sounds like it might be a good plan since I'm already using Gengar. I assume by CB Boom you're referring to Choice Banding Explosion, correct? If so, I could use either Shiftry or Metagross (depending on whether I wanted more Speed (Shiftry) or more Attack (Metagross). Metagross seems like the better choice, but he's so overused =/). I'd probably take out Breloom for a CB Boomer, or do you think Scizor would be better to take out?

Go with Meta. Meta's Choice Band boom decimates things.Stick him otu there with Gengar lead or somehting, Use Sub on Gar and then Boom Meta so gar has a free Sub up for the next 2 in =/ I aint a 2v2er but this is me looking on paper and anything that looks good on paper will probably own the kind of opponents you're gonna face.

In my 1v1 thread (before I knew Nintendo events were 2v2), I was told to switch from a Special/Mixed Sweeping Charizard to a Bellyzard. =/

1v1 and 2v2 are two completely different enviroments. You don't have the time to Drum up in 2v2 since you've got 2 opposing Pokemon to deal with.

Anyone have any ideas for items on the last two Pokemon, or what other kinds of rules Nintendo events usually have (like, how the battles are fought since I heard 3 battles of 2v2, which can be interpretted in a few ways)?

Lum Berry is a 2v2 favourite on Pokemon who can get shut down easily by TWave or Wisp, but then again, just to go with this cynciality that I have over Nintendo events (I'm sorry, if their champion is using Hyper Beam something is wrong) I doubt you've got much of that to worry about. Lum Berry/Leftovers/Stat Berries/Choice Band pretty much sums up what you should use.

Who the hell told you that?

That was on his 1v1 thread back when he assumed this tourny was 1v1.

 

[DragonDance]

People prolly haven't heard of jumpluff/aero combo in nentendo land so that might be a good idea

 

[Dane]

People prolly haven't heard of jumpluff/aero combo in nentendo land so that might be a good idea

I haven't heard of that before, what is it those two do exactly?

So far I'm looking at:
Charizard
Scizor
Gengar
Metagross
Tentacruel
*someone else*

Not sure who should go in that last slot yet.

 

[Max Bauman]

The Jumpluff/Aerodactyl combo fails. This was proven months ago by the folks over at Smogon and was eventually fixed on the last Netbattle release.

 

[Hey Micky!]

The Jumpluff/Aerodactyl combo fails. This was proven months ago by the folks over at Smogon and was eventually fixed on the last Netbattle release.

Yep. Had something to do with Aero Subbing and then Jump swaggering it. A broken mechanic gave Aero the Attack boost but not confusion, was disproven ingame and fixed. At least that's how it went iirc

 

[DemonScythe]

Yep. Had something to do with Aero Subbing and then Jump swaggering it. A broken mechanic gave Aero the Attack boost but not confusion, was disproven ingame and fixed. At least that's how it went iirc

its more of a pluff used slppowder, lum cured slp, pokemon used attack pluff fainted :/ but it failed either way..

what the team needs is less shaming of Scizor(use meta) and more
Tauros. Tauros butchers through team in half
and side it with a partner that handles Clops/Meta and you
got a winner for a nintendo tournament, in the old days people used
to pair old rapidash and bounce around but now I think you can
resort to the likes of Elemence or something..

 

[pikadon92]

I wasn't sure what attacks would be able to hit Charizard after Clefable uses Follow Me since, like you, I don't do 2v2 often enough to know.

In my 1v1 thread (before I knew Nintendo events were 2v2), I was told to switch from a Special/Mixed Sweeping Charizard to a Bellyzard. =/

Anyone have any ideas for items on the last two Pokemon, or what other kinds of rules Nintendo events usually have (like, how the battles are fought since I heard 3 battles of 2v2, which can be interpretted in a few ways)?[/QUOTE]
Don't trust them. A foe's attack can take down more than half of charizard's HP. When your foe doesn't attack first, it will for the next.

 

[wozfe]

After finding out Nintendo's events are generally 2v2, I've decided that my team would need an update. I've tried to compliment the characters in groups of 2 since I'm not positive exactly what rules Nintendo uses outside of 2v2 and item clause.

Charizard @ Salac Berry (+Spd)
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd (Depending on eventual IVs, EVs will change to give me exactly HP/4)
Adamant Nature
- Belly Drum
- Substitute
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake

charizard used sub, enemy 1 used attack, the sub broke, enemy 2 used attack, charizard fainted. I'd go with protect. belly drum+follow me works sometimes but it's not fun if opponent uses rock slide=P

Clefable @ Focus Band this is only cool when it works (which is not so often)I'd go lefties(remove them from scizor if only one pokemon can hold lefties)
Trait: Cute Charm
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Careful Nature
- Follow Me
- Moonlight/Softboiled (is there any difference?)softboiled (more pp)
- Psych Up
- Meteor Mash

meteor mash is cool but not good=P

Gengar @ something
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 SPD
Mild Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Giga Drain
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Punch

use a +speed nature.

Tentacruel @ something at least
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Serious Naturenah, don't think so
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Sword Dance
- Sludge Bomb

swords dance with only 1 physical attack and 2 special attacks...hm...

Breloom @ something
Trait:effect Spore Doesn't really matter but....
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Spore
- Focus Punch
- Mach Punch
- Substitute

I don't like sub in 2 vs. 2

Scizor @ Leftoverssomething else if you want lefties on clefable
Trait: Swarm
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adament Nature
- Silver Wind
- Sword Dance
- Agility
- Steel Wing


Like I said, I'm not sure exactly what Nintendo's standard rules are other than the item clause and that it's 2v2. I feel that Charizard and Clefable compliment each other very well. Not so sure what items to give to Gengar, Tentacruel, or Breloom. I wanted to give Gengar Ice punch, but I don't have Emerald and thusly no access to it's move tutors. I feel as if Breloom and Scizor could come out for something, but not sure what (Not Skarm/Bliss, but I'm open to other tankers if they'd work well in 2v2).

You could always use pinch berries if you haven't got any better idea, better than nothing.

 

[DemonScythe]

charizard used sub, enemy 1 used attack, the sub broke, enemy 2 used attack, charizard fainted.

Clafable used Follow me! enemy 1 and 2 hit clefable and charizard gets a sub
next turn Charizard gets a drum while the others finish clefable or first try to whack it after a setup. It really works there is just people that get worked up over rockslide "OMG RS WEAK THAT **** FAILS" when actually like 2% of the 2v2 players even use it anymore most people try to stop weather in their teams instead of focusing on this, and I've used this pretty well..

 

[Dane]

Updated team. Put some touches on items, so now if there's any suggestions now that there's something there, let me know. I could also use help on the Lati@s problem that I describe at the bottom.


Charizard @ Salac Berry
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
- Flamethrower
- Dragon Claw
- Sunny Day
- Substitute

Gengar @ Lax Incense/King's Rock/Focus Band
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 SPD
Mild Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Giga Drain
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Punch

Suicune @ Chesto Berry
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef
Bold Nature
- Waterfall
- Ice Beam
- Calm Mind
- Rest

Metagross @ Choice Band
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Explosion
- Earthquake
- Meteor Mash
- Shadow Ball

Rayquaza @ Shell Bell
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Claw
- Rock Slide
- Aerial Ace
- Earthquake

Lati@s @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
** Nature
- Calm Mind
- Dragon Claw
- Solar Beam
- Thunder


**Depending on which Lati@s I use, the nature changes. They're so similar it's hard to decide, so maybe you all can help decide. Latios has -SAtk +SDef, but he hasn't been trained at all yet. Latias has +SAtk -SDef, but has 2 levels of EVs that I don't know what they are. The two seem to be about equal due to their innate stats and natures, but I'm not sure what a difference the natures would do 60 levels from now, in addition to Latias' few EVs.

 

[DemonScythe]

You killed your strategy the common Mewtwo or Kyogre utterly destroys
your team since this is nothing but **** compiled together. Tbh the other team worked better because at least then you could setup..