haha. thank yoo labarith, i love torterra, he was my starter in diamond nd platinum, but im looking fer more of a 1st to second gen grass pokee. not victreebel, he wouldnt fit with how i have my team and how i want it, not exeggutor either. >.> thank you tho, but...any other ideas?
I'm hesitant to suggest Chicorita, as her attack and special attack are weak. I prefer 1 hit kills, and she just never does it. She can take a beating, and can bleed your opponent dry, but when all is said and done, I like doing in 1 turn what she does in 5. Time is money.
Venosaur is an option, but I don't know how good it is. [Note: I actually have several relatively superior Bulbasaur from the GTS I could trade to you, I have also EV trained one but haven't leveled it up yet that you can't have.]
All things being equal, if you want to steer clear of the starters (Not sure why you would), the obvious choice - if available - is Shaymin. Leafeon's pretty decent, too, but he doesn't learn Leaf Blade (his "final move" for all intents and purposes) until level 70-something. Gallade learns it too, which is a pretty sweet off-character move.
Re: Shayman: Seed Flare's clearly better than Leaf Blade, but you can IV breed someone w/ seedflare, and have to luck into a good shayman...