Team Skull, Aether Foundation and Plot Discussion Thread [Contains Story Spoilers]

[Blasting Toise]

What if this time there would be also a good guys team player could actually join- like sort of band of heroes protecting the region from bad guys. I dunno just an idea.

 

[Wulava]

What if this time there would be also a good guys team player could actually join- like sort of band of heroes protecting the region from bad guys. I dunno just an idea.

I've always wondered about the absence of the police force in these games...

 

[Endless]

I've always wondered about the absence of the police force in these games...

Yeah, having the International Police(or any police force for the matter) more involved in the main game instead of just in the post-game would be interesting. The only game that has somewhat tried that is Platinum and I think that worked well. And as much as I like Looker I would like to see some more members too, because right now he is more like a one man army.

 

[WhiteBlair]

I've always wondered about the absence of the police force in these games...

Pokémon Platinum included it to a certain extent, however. Charon was got caught by International Police (Looker) and escorted by the officers to conclude arrest.

Spoiler: Pictures.

 

[fire fan 888]

Yeah, having the International Police(or any police force for the matter) more involved in the main game instead of just in the post-game would be interesting. The only game that has somewhat tried that is Platinum and I think that worked well. And as much as I like Looker I would like to see some more members too, because right now he is more like a one man army.

In this new game would you think it more plausible for the police force to be an aid to you (like double battling with them for example), a weak presence that you clean up after/have to deal with, or for the purpose of advancing/strengthening the plot with no real presence in gameplay? Because I agree, but unfortunately I don't see them making the police force seem strong and competent because it would take away from the player being the main protagonist against the evil team.

Related Side note, with new release pictures, we've seen fire trucks. I could see them adding a police force thing too

 

[Endless]

In this new game would you think it more plausible for the police force to be an aid to you (like double battling with them for example), a weak presence that you clean up after/have to deal with, or for the purpose of advancing/strengthening the plot with no real presence in gameplay? Because I agree, but unfortunately I don't see them making the police force seem strong and competent because it would take away from the player being the main protagonist against the evil team.

Related Side note, with new release pictures, we've seen fire trucks. I could see them adding a police force thing too

It could go either way in my opinion. If they worked similarly to Looker in the Looker Bureau quest I don't think it would be a problem. As in them doing most of the research but then they send you to do the investigation and sometimes join in themselves later. As long as the player gets to beat the villains in battles it wouldn't take too much away from them.

 

[Majestic-Flygon]

I feel like the reason why there is barely any police force is because generally, major bad things don't happen often. Of course there is a villain team in each region, but how often do they occur? And when they do occur, how long do they last? Usually some kid manages to defeat the evil team.

A sheriff or a security guard seems like the extent of the Pokemon world having a police force. Though I remember in previous games there were some trainers that were night police guards or something like that.

An international police force seems plausible because they specialize in problems that are beyond regions and focus on something that is more global like the end of the world. Or some other major conspiracy.

Or its just Plot Connivence xD

 

[Creyk]

I feel like the reason why there is barely any police force is because generally, major bad things don't happen often. Of course there is a villain team in each region, but how often do they occur? And when they do occur, how long do they last? Usually some kid manages to defeat the evil team.

A sheriff or a security guard seems like the extent of the Pokemon world having a police force. Though I remember in previous games there were some trainers that were night police guards or something like that.

Yes in GSC there were trainers that would only fight with you if you met them during the night and they usually had Growlithe.
It was nice.

 

[Wulava]

Would be nice to have the police force to be the actual villains.

 

[Luthor]

I think a female boss would work well. So far there has been consistanly male bosses. A female would offer something different.

 

[WhiteBlair]

Would be nice to have the police force to be the actual villains.

Or, to be employed by the villain team leader. I wouldn't say no to corruption.

 

[fire fan 888]

Would be nice to have the police force to be the actual villains.

I like this concept but I don't know if they'd do this. I feel like they wouldn't send a message like that to kids. Idk, I'm a pre service teacher and we have to be super sensitive to subliminal messages, so maybe my feeling is biased, but I don't think a game targeted to kids would villianize a government service like that, even in a fantasy world :/ it'd be cool though.

 

[Blueheart]

What abt human tech surpassing Pokémon hence the evil team uses this as an excuse to experiment on Pokémon by forcing them to evolve(more megas) or something. The team could be a company or organization who think they are doing this to the good of mankind with the leader (hopefully female) was attacked by Pokémon as a kid and now sees them as nothing but tools of destruction that need to be seen as such and not cuddly pets given to 10 year old to travel unsupervised across the world

 

[PrinceOfFacade]

I would like a female-led team that succeeds in pulling off their evil plan.

YES! Please!

 

[Firebrand]

This^
Everybody. This. I laughed so hard just now.

He runs an empire of building hotels like the one we saw in the trailer. Then one day, he decides to become Champion even though he has no experience battling Pokémon. He keeps saying he'll become Champion and fix all of the region's problems. "The region has problems. It does. It has problems. This I can tell you. Will I fix the problems? I'm working on a plan to fix the problems. The region does have problems that I will fix." People are amazed by his words and amazing spray-tan. Trump is the evil leader and the box legend for Sun. He looks like he's been roasting in it and he thinks everything revolves around him.

You kidding? That hotel isn't nearly big enough for him. How else would he compensate for his little tiny... hands?

Would be nice to have the police force to be the actual villains.

Well, that would certainly be ripped from the headlines. Region confirmed to be south eastern US?

Or, to be employed by the villain team leader. I wouldn't say no to corruption.

Actually, this would be cool. One of the things I always wished happened in the games with Rocket or Plasma was, well those seemed like they were well-funded organizations that could reasonably be expected to have their fingers in the government. Giovanni was a gym leader, and canon generally establishes that as a person of certain standing in the community. Even if they're not mayors like Clay was, they at least carry a little weight. I think it would really give the plot a good amount of gravity if this went all the way up, and potentially posed a threat that wasn't "vague yet menacing plot to take over the world just as soon as I destroy everyone who opposes me mwahaha" and instead gave us something like "We're not going to take over the region because we've effectively already done that. Instead we're going to legitimize harming a lot of people because they stood in our way, and you think you can stop us?"

Like, let the champion be the head of the team. Not in the sense that N was, who was newly minted. But like, actually someone who has been champion for a long time and has used their influence to support the agenda of the evil organization and generally is just running an empire of shadowy corruption.

 

[hydrosharp_98]

I've long been on the side that this would be a Hawaii based region, but now I'm starting to lean towards Germany.

Due to the real world location, it would certainly make sense if they wanted us to return to Kalos, what with them being neighbours But I've been thinking...

]Sol (pronounced like the English word “soul”; Old Norse Sól, “Sun”) and Mani (pronounced “MAH-nee”; Old Norse Máni, “Moon”), are, as their names suggest, the divine animating forces of the sun and the moon, respectively.

Sol and Mani form a brother and sister pair. When they first emerged as the cosmos was being created, they didn’t know what their powers were or what their role was in the new world. Then the gods met together and created the different parts of the day and year and the phases of the moon so that Sol and Mani would know where they fit into the great scheme of things.

They ride through the sky on horse-drawn chariots. The horses who pull Mani’s chariot are never named, but Sol’s horses are apparently named Árvakr (“Early Riser”) and Alsviðr (“Swift”). They ride “swiftly” because they’re pursued through the sky by the wolves Skoll (“Mockery”) and Hati (“Hate”), who overtake them when the cosmos descends back into chaos during Ragnarok.

According to one of the poems in the Poetic Edda, a figure named Svalinn rides in the sun’s chariot and holds a shield between her and the earth below. If he didn’t do this, both the land and the sea would be consumed in flames. Elsewhere, the father of Sol and Mani is named as “Mundilfari,” about whom we know nothing. His name might mean “The One Who Moves According to Particular Times.”

The medieval Icelandic historian Snorri Sturluson, whose Prose Edda can’t be taken at face value but nevertheless is in most low-quality introductory books on Norse mythology, tries to compile these disparate references into a comprehensive narrative that’s utterly ridiculous and useless as a source of information: Mundilfari had two children who were so beautiful that he called the girl “Sol” after the sun and the boy “Mani” after the moon. Sun married a man called Glenr (“Opening in the Clouds”). The sun, which had originated as a spark in Muspelheim, was pulled through the sky in a chariot, but the chariot had no driver. The gods were outraged by Mundilfari’s arrogance in the names he chose for his children, so they forced Sol to drive the sun’s chariot.

The conception of the sun and the moon riding on chariots through the sky is evidently a very old one among the Norse and other Germanic peoples. It can be found on rock carvings and other Scandinavian artifacts from the Bronze Age, perhaps the most notable of which is the Trundholm sun chariot . The idea that the sun deity was female, and with a name that means simply “Sun,” is also attested among the continental Germanic peoples.

Source: http://norse-mythology.org/sol-mani/

They can continue with the Norse mythology introduced to us in XY with Sol and Mani, who could be the box art legendaries, but in order to chase them they require the assistance of Skoll and Hati, the two wolves.

In XY, in Anistar, an NPC mentions that a team appeared a few years ago, which was not Flare, asking about the tree in which Xerneas/Yveltal had concealed themselves in. Many people draw references to Nazism with Team Flare, and if that's the case, then Flare could be a side-team sent to attack Kalos (France) in preparation for something greater. The team that appeared a few years ago could be the over-seeing team (which for now I'll just call Eclipse to save some confusion) which had been scouting the area in preparation for Flare to attack, and it's even mentioned that Archie and Maxie were part of a different evil team before - could this team be Eclipse? Furthermore, the red hair gene is almost as common in Germany as it is in England, and every Flare member - other than those four girls who are easily the most forgettable execs we've ever had - has red hair. Even Malva.

 

[Auraninja]

In XY, in Anistar, an NPC mentions that a team appeared a few years ago, which was not Flare, asking about the tree in which Xerneas/Yveltal had concealed themselves in. Many people draw references to Nazism with Team Flare, and if that's the case, then Flare could be a side-team sent to attack Kalos (France) in preparation for something greater.

I doubt they would put even an allegory to Nazism in Pokemon games.

Furthermore, the red hair gene is almost as common in Germany as it is in England, and every Flare member - other than those four girls who are easily the most forgettable execs we've ever had - has red hair. Even Malva.

I think you are overthinking this a tad. I mean, look at how many impractical hair colors you have (Green for example).

 

[hydrosharp_98]

I doubt they would put even an allegory to Nazism in Pokemon games.

I think you are overthinking this a tad. I mean, look at how many impractical hair colors you have (Green for example).

Neither of those points were major points of mine, so I think I'm only overthinking the small things. Pokémon certainly seem to be hinting towards some over-arching evil team from a lot of what was said in XYORAS.

 

[Blasting Toise]

I've long been on the side that this would be a Hawaii based region, but now I'm starting to lean towards Germany.

I first thought next gen would be based on UK but then when I saw so many cars in that concept art I kinda figured out it would probably be Germany/Center Europe most likely- logical continuation of Kalos/France really. Also a chance to get dual region like in gen2

 

[silver_phoenix]

Whatever it iis, I hope this team of evil doers is better than that of X/Y. Hopefully they are more akin to the bad guys from D/P or B/W, which IMO were the greatest out of them all in terms if super evil plotness and difficulty.