Team Skull, Aether Foundation and Plot Discussion Thread [Contains Story Spoilers]

[giu]

I'm not sure if this was already mentioned, but I'll say it anyways. What if the evil team is actually some sort of tribe? They're descendants from the original tribe members who worshipped said legendary, so they're trying to summon and use it to take over the region, or maybe even the entire world. Thoughts?

I think go to a country and take their native people as the villains is offensive. Would be nice the tribes have a role in the story, but not as the villains. Something like the draconics that help you or have some special hability

 

[Grey Wind]

Assuming it's Hawaii-based, I would really like to see the villains dressed in Hula outfit, especially if they go tribal.

If they handled it properly, I think the villains having a tribal theme would be really cool. They could play up the nature vs technology thing they were kind of going for back in BW.

With a Hawaii based region it's inevitable we'll see some hula outfits, though (Kimono Girls redux, anyone? ).

 

[MysticKnives]

whether good or not, an interesting idea: Versions vary

3 Factions:
1. Player (Professor + Gym Leader + Rival)
2. Team Orion/Rigel (Sun Team)
3. Team Calypso (Moon Team)

In Sun > Team Rigel's goal is to resurrect their Sun God Pokemon. The ashes of this great beast that Team Rigel spreads throughout the region causes Pokemon to become more feral and aggressive. The player is manipulated by Team Rigel's leader who works separately from her team for tactical purposes. She convinces the player to aid her by appearing to need help in celebrating a ritual for a Pokemon God, when her true intentions are to summon this God to set in motion the First Order of the Phoenix. The player unknowingly is the cause for most of the catastrophic events that transpires.

In Moon > Team Calypso's goal is to summon their Great Beast from the depths of the Astral Plane (Pokemon Spirit World of sorts) to rid the planet of it's pollution, mankind (except for them obviously). With the help of their God, Team Calypso will expunge the tainted "evil" that human filth has plagued upon the world. The player's actions are all carefully calculated by the leader of Team Calypso, allowing Team Calypso to stay one step ahead (even when the player defeats Team Calypso in some encounters) just enough to summon the God and set the plan into motion. As the God is being summoned, humans are being taken captive. Team Calypso's plan is Novus Ordo, a new world order with the concept of human extinction brought into question.

Both Gods are "obedient" to each group in that they won't attack the team that they are loyal to. In Sun, Rival is initially out to seek the player's end. In Moon, the player was initially the champion but after a series of events or a significant event, he/she loses the title and must regain it back. In both versions, (for Sun, the Champion, for Moon, the same character as the Champ in Sun who is superior to the new Champ) the Champion helps the player fulfill a prophecy to give the player a mythological beast to combat the Sun God or the Great Beast.

 

[.Aerodactyl.]

Lots of great ideas here! Would love to see a female antagonist/evil leader for sure. I can imagine Malva leading a new team Flare as previously suggested of their is strong ties to Kalos in this game.

What I really want is a plot that doesn't necessarily have a world-saving consequence and doesn't involve the box legendaries. At the risk of sounding like a Gen Wunner, I'd love a plot like Gen 1, a plot just full of speculation and theories and mystery. Team Rocket were unpredictable, and there was so much about the plot left in the background. The creation of Mewtwo and how Giovanni might actually have been working to save the world from Mewtwo with the Silph Scope and the master ball, etc. On top of that, Gen 1 still had Team Rocket acting evilly and had the whole message of "Pokemon are partners not tools" thing. To this day you can find speculation videos and theories on the grn 1 plot, not so much with later gens. I don't think we will get that kind of plot, but I can dream.

 

[MysticKnives]

Lots of great ideas here! Would love to see a female antagonist/evil leader for sure. I can imagine Malva leading a new team Flare as previously suggested of their is strong ties to Kalos in this game.

What I really want is a plot that doesn't necessarily have a world-saving consequence and doesn't involve the box legendaries. At the risk of sounding like a Gen Wunner, I'd love a plot like Gen 1, a plot just full of speculation and theories and mystery. Team Rocket were unpredictable, and there was so much about the plot left in the background. The creation of Mewtwo and how Giovanni might actually have been working to save the world from Mewtwo with the Silph Scope and the master ball, etc. On top of that, Gen 1 still had Team Rocket acting evilly and had the whole message of "Pokemon are partners not tools" thing. To this day you can find speculation videos and theories on the grn 1 plot, not so much with later gens. I don't think we will get that kind of plot, but I can dream.

I don't know if it's "Genwunning." It seems to me you want lower-scaled villains who are work in like a criminal empire or syndicate that gives the Pokemon Games a more thriller mystery feel to it. That be pretty neat too, especially if it really is Hawaii where the location is taking place.

 

[.Aerodactyl.]

I don't know if it's "Genwunning." It seems to me you want lower-scaled villains who are work in like a criminal empire or syndicate that gives the Pokemon Games a more thriller mystery feel to it. That be pretty neat too, especially if it really is Hawaii where the location is taking place.

I guess I just feel some of the recent plots have been a little over the top in terms of the stakes.

 

[Akwakwak]

Rainbow stuff.

The Maori tell a tale of Hina, the MOON, who caused a RAINBOW to span the heavens even down to the earth, for her mortal husband to return to earth to end his days, since death may not enter her celestial home.

This reminds me of the rainbow bridge in Norse mythology (forced Norse connections ftw) called the Bifröst that connects Midgard (Earth) with Asgard, home of the Gods. Bifröst can only be used by Gods and those who are killed in battle. It is eventually shattered under the weight of war - the Ragnarok. The notion that the rainbow bridge to heaven is attainable by only the good or virtuous, such as warriors and royalty, is a theme repeated often in world myths.

Because of this I'm going to go ahead and make a wiiiiiiild assumption that the villainous team(s) in Sun/Moon will try to create their own Bifröst, their own rainbow/moonbow bridge by harnessing Solar/Lunar power. As stated above these rainbow bridges were used to reach the realm of the Gods (which in Pokemon lore, Gods from world myths can be substituted with Legendary Pokemon). Perhaps the evil team(s) are trying to reach a certain Legendary Pokemon or something along those lines with the use of this bridge. Or they force the Sun/Moon legendary to create a rainbow/moonbow bridge for whatever evil reason.

(Although I know I'm probably most definitely waaaaay off).

Also more rainbow stuff that ties into Hawaiian deities associated with the sun and moon. Anuenue, the rainbow maiden, appears in Hawaiian legends as the messenger for her brothers, the Gods KANE and KANALOA.

Kane governed the northern edge of the ECLIPTIC, Kanaloa the southern; Kanaloa points to hidden springs, and Kane then taps them out. In this way, they represent a divine DUALITY of wild and taming forces like those observed (by Georges Dumézil) in Indo-European chief god-pairs like (more Norse connections) Odin–Týr and Mitra–Varuna, and like the popular yin and yang of Chinese Taoism.

Kane is the creator and gives LIFE associated with dawn, SUN and sky.

However, Kanaloa is depicted as a god of evil, DEATH, or the Underworld.

(Life and death eh, they remind me of a stag and eagle I know).

Maybe I'm looking into rainbows a bit too much but I have a gut feeling that they may be important. Considering rainbows occur both during the day and night.

 

[polkiman777]

This is a bit out there, but I reckon only the Kanto Pokémon will available with the 7th gen Pokémon at the start of the game. It's possible we could start the game in the “Azoth Kingdom”. This time space has been made accessible due to the XY protagonist reuniting AZ with Floette. I'm thinking Arceus will be involved somehow as well, maybe linking in the Sinjoh Ruins event? That's all wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey. The evil teams could be primitive/religious tribes worshipping the Sun or Moon. Volcanion/Magearna could feature in the story to open a link with a timeline containing the other Pokémon. Hoopa's origin could be expanded upon as well. A hidden Poison-type legendary could be used to signify a plague sweeping the land.

 

[johno1995]

I'd like to see the evil team work more underground and have hints of corruption.

What if they pulled a fast one and had the Champion of the region involved in the team as a twist ending? Malva was involved with Team Flare in Gen VI with little consequence, so maybe they were planting seeds for having a major character role involved with the villains for Sun/Moon?

I see it like this:

A theme is corruption and political unrest. The region's female champion is a figurehead in the region who is a philanthropist and is constantly attempting to stop conflicts between two teams -- Team Dawn and Team Dusk. The champion is actually responsible for the creation of both teams, manipulating their leaders to do her bidding. She's using their conflict for political gain in order to gather more power, she isn't a true believer, she's an opportunist. A villain like this would be more terrifying and very Ghetsis-esque, especially if we're led to believe she's an ally for the majority of the game and then find out she's actually the true antagonist. However, this might be a bit too complicated for a Pokemon storyline. If they simplified this concept a bit but used the same idea of "champion is actually evil", I'd be all over it. I haven't cared about really beating a champion since it was Blue in Gen I. I wanted to kick his butt because he was such a jerk! I want that again. Champion basically takes over the region and I will actually care about beating her!

Then, once the main plot is over, she flees and an interim Champion takes place for future rematches (maybe your rival?).

 

[Alexander18]

Team Solar - a group of villains who plan to keep the whole region/world in everlasting light. Team Luna - a group of villains who plan to block out the sun for the whole region/world.

 

[Class Zero]

I'd like to see the evil team work more underground and have hints of corruption.

What if they pulled a fast one and had the Champion of the region involved in the team as a twist ending? Malva was involved with Team Flare in Gen VI with little consequence, so maybe they were planting seeds for having a major character role involved with the villains for Sun/Moon?

I see it like this:

A theme is corruption and political unrest. The region's female champion is a figurehead in the region who is a philanthropist and is constantly attempting to stop conflicts between two teams -- Team Dawn and Team Dusk. The champion is actually responsible for the creation of both teams, manipulating their leaders to do her bidding. She's using their conflict for political gain in order to gather more power, she isn't a true believer, she's an opportunist. A villain like this would be more terrifying and very Ghetsis-esque, especially if we're led to believe she's an ally for the majority of the game and then find out she's actually the true antagonist. However, this might be a bit too complicated for a Pokemon storyline. If they simplified this concept a bit but used the same idea of "champion is actually evil", I'd be all over it. I haven't cared about really beating a champion since it was Blue in Gen I. I wanted to kick his butt because he was such a jerk! I want that again. Champion basically takes over the region and I will actually care about beating her!

Then, once the main plot is over, she flees and an interim Champion takes place for future rematches (maybe your rival?).

People would jump on this so hard for copying Digimon. (As they had games called Digimon World Dawn and Digimon World Dusk)

 

[AmbipomMaster]

Man, the last time I was on this site was for XY speculation....xD

Honestly, the trailer for SM had a quote that really resonated with me:
"1996, 1999, 2002, 2006, 2010, 2013, and, in 2016, it all comes together in a new Pokemon adventure!" <-[still gives me goosebumps watching it!]

Since this is the 20th anniversary and all, I would love to see all the other teams involved in this game. And it honestly doesn't have to be huge roles, maybe just some cameos. And I can see it going one of two directions:

A. The new team of this new region recruites the help of Archer, Maxie, Archie, Cyrus (back from the Distortion World), Ghetsis, and Lysandre to accomplish some massive goal (like eliminating Pokemon from their world).

B. You work with Giovanni, Archie & Maxie, Saturn and/or Charon, N, and Xerosic to fight this evil team.

And it'd be cool to see both of these happen (since the people in list B have, in a way, "amended" themselves for what they've done and are considered "good".

 

[Sceptrigon]

A hidden Poison-type legendary could be used to signify a plague sweeping the land.

I've been hoping for something like this to happen for a while now. I feel like our first Poison legendary will be terrifying and relate to world deterioration in some way.

Man, the last time I was on this site was for XY speculation....xD

Honestly, the trailer for SM had a quote that really resonated with me:
"1996, 1999, 2002, 2006, 2010, 2013, and, in 2016, it all comes together in a new Pokemon adventure!" <-[still gives me goosebumps watching it!]

Since this is the 20th anniversary and all, I would love to see all the other teams involved in this game. And it honestly doesn't have to be huge roles, maybe just some cameos. And I can see it going one of two directions:

A. The new team of this new region recruites the help of Archer, Maxie, Archie, Cyrus (back from the Distortion World), Ghetsis, and Lysandre to accomplish some massive goal (like eliminating Pokemon from their world).

B. You work with Giovanni, Archie & Maxie, Saturn and/or Charon, N, and Xerosic to fight this evil team.

And it'd be cool to see both of these happen (since the people in list B have, in a way, "amended" themselves for what they've done and are considered "good".

You're not alone there, I was getting really excited when they started counting off the years of the main games partly because it seemed like they were gonna announce the next gen. games, which certainly seems to be the case now. I've been looking forward to 7th gen for a long time. And it was nostalgic xP

Despite being 20th anniversary, I don't expect SM will include the other teams for cameos, especially if the characters themselves are involved in the plot. I feel like these games should just focus on their own team for now, being what we know so far as the 1st set of games for 7th gen. Maybe the next game(s) after these, they will include others.

 

[Gabriel Faria]

Well, my desires regarding the story is that this time we don't get an evil team, but a person in each version with a different reason to act in a evil way. I know it's not gonna happen, but here's what I thought would be cool:

- In the Sun version, there would be an antagonist. Being a powerful person, he/she would try to control the Sun Pokémon in order to produce unlimited solar energy that would grant him/her a monopoly. His/her region would have lots of energy to spend whilst other regions would have to buy it from him/her.

- In the Moon version, there would be some kind of anti-hero. The region could be suffering from intense sunlight and that would end Nature's balance and start causing diseases and chaos all over the place. Then, in order to save everything from collapsing, a regular citizen, with knowledge in mythology, would try to control the Moon Pokémon and put a stop to this situation. However, he/she would actually become obsessed and try to set up eternal nights.

I think a story like this, if well written, could feature some social criticism to some aspects like greed and politicians selfishness, while not being too dark. Also, I think it would raise a little more incentive to buy both versions.

 

[ninijatt]

My wild guess:

The leader of the evil team is a paranoid conspiracy theorist who believes that giant apes will ravage the world and that he only has three days to destroy the moon to prevent total global destruction. He also wants everyone to use solar panels and he's really obnoxious about it.

 

[Ginzyvee]

Team Solar - a group of villains who plan to keep the whole region/world in everlasting light. Team Luna - a group of villains who plan to block out the sun for the whole region/world.

Ehh that sounds too much like OR/AS. I honestly am not a big fan of the crazy evil teams like magma, I like the whole concept of team rocket.

 

[Nyrene]

I really want an evil group, like evil evil. Concepts like pokemon steroids that the organization gives their pokemon and they do illegal battles? Like you know dog fighting, something like that! They play to kill? place bets? But idk if the game will go that dark, sigh.
I'd like mafias/gangs, they could run a casino and do the fights underneath.

Idk what they would want from the legendaries, though. Hmm, I really don't know.

 

[Räven Velish]

I don't want the legends to be related to the evil team. It feels so overused and at this point its boring.

 

[Shine]

The Maori tell a tale of Hina, the MOON, who caused a RAINBOW to span the heavens even down to the earth, for her mortal husband to return to earth to end his days, since death may not enter her celestial home.

This reminds me of the rainbow bridge in Norse mythology (forced Norse connections ftw) called the Bifröst that connects Midgard (Earth) with Asgard, home of the Gods. Bifröst can only be used by Gods and those who are killed in battle. It is eventually shattered under the weight of war - the Ragnarok. The notion that the rainbow bridge to heaven is attainable by only the good or virtuous, such as warriors and royalty, is a theme repeated often in world myths.

Because of this I'm going to go ahead and make a wiiiiiiild assumption that the villainous team(s) in Sun/Moon will try to create their own Bifröst, their own rainbow/moonbow bridge by harnessing Solar/Lunar power. As stated above these rainbow bridges were used to reach the realm of the Gods (which in Pokemon lore, Gods from world myths can be substituted with Legendary Pokemon). Perhaps the evil team(s) are trying to reach a certain Legendary Pokemon or something along those lines with the use of this bridge. Or they force the Sun/Moon legendary to create a rainbow/moonbow bridge for whatever evil reason.

(Although I know I'm probably most definitely waaaaay off).

Also more rainbow stuff that ties into Hawaiian deities associated with the sun and moon. Anuenue, the rainbow maiden, appears in Hawaiian legends as the messenger for her brothers, the Gods KANE and KANALOA.

Kane governed the northern edge of the ECLIPTIC, Kanaloa the southern; Kanaloa points to hidden springs, and Kane then taps them out. In this way, they represent a divine DUALITY of wild and taming forces like those observed (by Georges Dumézil) in Indo-European chief god-pairs like (more Norse connections) Odin–Týr and Mitra–Varuna, and like the popular yin and yang of Chinese Taoism.

Kane is the creator and gives LIFE associated with dawn, SUN and sky.

However, Kanaloa is depicted as a god of evil, DEATH, or the Underworld.

(Life and death eh, they remind me of a stag and eagle I know).

Maybe I'm looking into rainbows a bit too much but I have a gut feeling that they may be important. Considering rainbows occur both during the day and night.

.........speaking of linking with Norse mythology, that reminds me to the time people thought there would be more Norse mythology reference in X/Y due to the trio seemingly based on the creatures living in Yggdrasil.............perhaps we'll find out something about this in S/M? I would be impressed if GF really can somehow connect Norse mythology with Hawaiian mythology.

 

[SlowPokeBroKing]

I don't want the legends to be related to the evil team. It feels so overused and at this point its boring.

That's a good point. I've gotten so used to every evil team abusing the power of a legendary that I hadn't thought about the team not even having anything to do with it. That really would be a nice change of pace.