Team with Marowak

[Golden Egg]

Zapdos @ Leftovers ** Quezacotl
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 16 HP / 52 Def / 188 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Light Screen
- Roar
- Thunderbolt
It's Zappy

Marowak (M) @ Thick Club
Trait: Rock Head
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Double-Edge
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Swords Dance
This is a cool poké but I never sees anyone using him...

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Immunity
EVs: 160 HP / 136 Atk / 136 Def / 76 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Curse
- Rest
- Return
- Shadow Ball
SP.Wall and Cursesweeper

Heracross (M) @ Salac Berry
Trait: Swarm
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Endure
- Megahorn
- Reversal
- Rock Slide
Beacuse of the easy sweeps.

Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 152 Def / 36 SAtk / 68 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Surf
Ph. Wall.
Maybe Roar somewhere.

Metagross @ Choice Band ** Ashari
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 116 HP / 252 Atk / 44 Def / 96 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Explosion
- Meteor Mash
- Rock Slide
And a CB'er.

Rate if you want to.

 

[Hey Micky!]

Zapdos @ Leftovers ** Quezacotl
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 16 HP / 52 Def / 188 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Light Screen
- Roar
- Thunderbolt
It's Zappy

orly? EVs seem a bit mucked, too much Speed, too many Special Attack EVs cos of lack of Modest and in turn lacking Def.

Marowak (M) @ Thick Club
Trait: Rock Head
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Double-Edge
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Swords Dance
This is a cool poké but I never sees anyone using him...

No one uses him 'cause he's slow and walled by alot of common pokes.

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Immunity
EVs: 160 HP / 136 Atk / 136 Def / 76 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Curse
- Rest
- Return
- Shadow Ball
SP.Wall and Cursesweeper

Eh

Heracross (M) @ Salac Berry
Trait: Swarm
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Endure
- Megahorn
- Reversal
- Rock Slide
Beacuse of the easy sweeps.

End-Revving is cheap IMO. It's a matter of praying your opponent doesn't have a TTar.

Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 152 Def / 36 SAtk / 68 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Surf
Ph. Wall.
Maybe Roar somewhere.

Needs more Def =/

Metagross @ Choice Band ** Ashari
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 116 HP / 252 Atk / 44 Def / 96 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Explosion
- Meteor Mash
- Rock Slide
And a CB'er.

No Wish support and it's your only Normal/Flying resistence on your team so needs more Defence. Especially if you get outpredicted and take a CBed EQ on the way in.

 

[Delta]

Marowak does nothing unless you have some speed passed to it (see: Ninjask)

 

[Hey Micky!]

Marowak does nothing unless you have some speed passed to it (see: Ninjask)

You're absolutely wrong there. The guy can do some monster damage, he's like a Ground Typed CBer without the 1 move restrictions of CB, and towards the lategame he can freely sweep with a single Sword Dance. He's a major bane for the majority of tanking Pokemon. The downside unfortunately is he can't use Leftovers so he can't recover easily (which doesn't help for switching into Rock Slides or tanking multiple attacks). Obviously with Speed passed to it it's a complete monster once bulky waters are out of the way but you're seriously under estimating it.

 

[Delta]

not rly, it´s too slow to do significant damage. It´ll end up eating a big hit once it switches in, and another one due to it´s below-average speed. Without Ninjask support, marowak isn´t sweeping, at all. It may give a hit or 2 but common fast things are prolly going to 2HKO, for sure. Marowak absolutely needs the speed if it wants to clean up a team

 

[Hey Micky!]

not rly, it´s too slow to do significant damage. It´ll end up eating a big hit once it switches in, and another one due to it´s below-average speed. Without Ninjask support, marowak isn´t sweeping, at all. It may give a hit or 2 but common fast things are prolly going to 2HKO, for sure. Marowak absolutely needs the speed if it wants to clean up a team

Jolly Max Speed Marowak is speed 207. Now, off the top of my head the following VERY common Pokemon are outsped by it with their standard distributions of speed:

- Suicune
- Skarmory
- Blissey
- Snorlax
- Dusclops
- Milotic
- Weezing
- Claydol

That's NOT too slow to do "significant damage" and almost all of these will take 40-60% off of a single Marowak hit (not too sure in Cune since it's a long time since I last used Wak and with Skarm that only counts for when Wak uses Focus Punch). To top it off, most fast sweepers WONT stay in against it because they know they can't 1KO Wak but Wak can 1KO them, especially since they aren't safe behind their Subs unless they're fliers. With Para support (which is easy as hell to add to a team since so many Pokes have access to TWave and Blissey is getting less common by the day) a lategame sweep with Sword Dance Wak isn't out of the quesiton either.

I'm not trying to say that Marowak is God's gift to Pokemon but you seriously aren't giving him the credit he deserves. He may be somewhat fragile and he may be slow but he isn't some kind of wimpy waste of space.

And actually for the record I personally would change the set to:

Marowak (M) @ Thick Club
Trait: Rock Head
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Double-Edge / Focus Punch
- Bonemarang
- Rock Slide
- Swords Dance / Hidden Power [Bug] / Focus Punch

I've never had much luck with Sword Dance personally, by the time the opportunity to get a clean sweep with it comes most things will take a KO from it's unboosted moves anyway. And Focus Punch is awesome on this thing and no Wak should leave home without it

 

[Golden Egg]

Hmm.
Would Agility-passing Zapdos help Wak then?
Also, since you said End-Rev was cheap, sjould I use CB-Hera, SD-Hera or Resttalk Hera instead? Resttalk seems like the best option to me.
Edit: i'll give HP Bug and FP a try, aswell.

 

[DragonDance]

How the hell is EndRev cheap? LMAO.

But it is raped by Tyraniter, so STalk/ CBcross > it

 

[Hey Micky!]

Hmm.
Would Agility-passing Zapdos help Wak then?

It would if you want a mid-late game sweep with Wak. I'd personally prefer to treat Wak like a Cber who isn't restricted to 1move than a sweeper.

Laso, since you said En-Rev was cheap, sjould I use CB-Hera, SD-Hera or Resttalk Hera instead? Resttalk seems like the best option to me.

Since you lack a Sleep Absorber on your team Sleep-Talk Hera would do fine, but losing the ability to hit switching in Salamence (or Skarmory's if you go Slide > FP) really is a huge pain in the a*s.

How the hell is EndRev cheap? LMAO.

I just find it extremely retarded personally because so many nubs who would normally have got their a*s handed to them can win a match with it because your usual physical wall is coincidently at 50% or whatever. Similarly to how a complete Nub can win a match with Double-Team, although nowhere near as cheap since End-Rev doesn't use Hax it uses hopes and prayers that your opponent doesn't carry QA or TTar.

[And yes I have been swept by End-Rev and yes that is why I'm bitter because I find it extremely retarded. Tonnes of people will say "You should have a QAer on you team or use TTar" but that's no different then saying "You should use Ariel Ace incase of Double Team", it's not the way it works, you usually don't plan for SITATUONAL (and yes End-Rev is situational) stuff people rarely use because it usually fails.]

Also, as a lil for the record: I don't clause End-Rev. I have my physical walls that usually can handle it *cough*Weezing*/cough* but it doesn't stop me from considering it cheap due to it's Situationality.

 

[DragonDance]

Some people can out predict the Endure. (like using Dragon Dance [] during the Endure turn.) But I get your point.

 

[Delta]

That's NOT too slow to do "significant damage" and almost all of these will take 40-60% off of a single Marowak hit (not too sure in Cune since it's a long time since I last used Wak and with Skarm that only counts for when Wak uses Focus Punch). To top it off, most fast sweepers WONT stay in against it because they know they can't 1KO Wak but Wak can 1KO them, especially since they aren't safe behind their Subs unless they're fliers. With Para support (which is easy as hell to add to a team since so many Pokes have access to TWave and Blissey is getting less common by the day) a lategame sweep with Sword Dance Wak isn't out of the quesiton either.

While a lot of things take 40-60% damage, Marowak actually takes more, for not having leftovers, a pure-offense spread and low speed. It´s true that it can damage things badly, but waters have become so popular, it´s practically gone now

As for the end-rev users. I also find them situational, but not cheap. There´s no need for QA/Tyranitar if you have a good fighting resist that can take a hit and KO back. Weezing/Dusclops/Salamence/gyarados/some Jirachi and Metagross should be able to take a reversal at full health, imo

 

[DragonDance]

Ya, Totaly forgot abpout Ghosts. Gengar is evil, and thats just another reason. Also resists Megahorn.

 

[Hey Micky!]

Some people can out predict the Endure. (like using Dragon Dance [] during the Endure turn.) But I get your point.

Endure tends to come as a surprise however, main reason why I always have problems with Endure-Rev Cross and never with Sub-Rev Cross.

While a lot of things take 40-60% damage, Marowak actually takes more, for not having leftovers, a pure-offense spread and low speed. It´s true that it can damage things badly, but waters have become so popular, it´s practically gone now

"No one uses him 'cause he's slow and walled by alot of common pokes." I'm well aware he's walled by Water pokes but it still stands that you don't give Marowak his dues.

As for the end-rev users. I also find them situational, but not cheap. There´s no need for QA/Tyranitar if you have a good fighting resist that can take a hit and KO back. Weezing/Dusclops/Salamence/gyarados/some Jirachi and Metagross should be able to take a reversal at full health, imo

That's the thing though, you aren't always at full health, any of those pokes that you listed at less than 60-80% will probably be KOed by Rev and if that Cross gets a Sword Dance off by the grace of God, most of those things will be OHKOed except for Zing, Clops and maybe a defensive Mence/Gyara [Note: I can't pull up a Damage Calc right now because the site I use for it is down]. I find it to be cheap because a skill-less competitor can come out on top because of it and because it's situational.

Ya, Totaly forgot abpout Ghosts. Gengar is evil, and thats just another reason. Also resists Megahorn.

And takes like 60-80% from it when Swarm kicks in =/

 

[Delta]

but it still stands that you don't give Marowak his dues.

true. i actually hate wak, but meh. It might (just might) be useful sometimes

a skill-less competitor can come out on top because of it

Agreed

 

[aipomkong]

btw no bulky water (whtout speed ves) can switch into jolly marowak with 252 attacks and thick club

bonemerrang 2hko's them all

milotic/suicune/swampert (needs max damage twice to beat cune but meh)

ohko's starmie and practically any other water that is faster then it