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The Battle Record Thread V2

Discussion in 'Animé Spoilers' started by 1rkhachatryan, Nov 7, 2016.

  1. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja Grinning Shorty is the most adorable

    @Robert, I just want to say that you still haven't listed Rowlet and Rockruff's wins. One more thing, I'd just request you to reconsider the Rowlet vs Oricorio fight because there apparently is no rule that a Pokemon's loss doesn't count because it hit something else(and Oricorio's attack caused Rowlet to hit Mallow after all).
     
    Last edited: Aug 3, 2017
  2. 1rkhachatryan

    1rkhachatryan Call me Robert guys

    It's listed now, sorry for the delay. And enough already man, drop it. Multiple people have now tried to explain to you that Oricorio himself didn't knock out Rowlet. If Rowlet had swirly eyes before hitting Mallow then it would be on here but he didn't and the battle was pushed to the side to focus on Lillie so it doesn't count as a complete battle as it was in one way or another interrupted by Mallow and Lillie.
     
  3. Genaller

    Genaller So what?

    Yeah technically the wall in the Sinnoh league was also not part of the battlefield (it was clearly outside of the rectangular defined boundaries) so are you saying that Infernape's KO of Aggron doesn't count? The thing is the force that knocked Rowlet out was exerted entirely by Oricorio (and the reaction force on Rowlet by Mallow was a consequence of Oricorio's initial force) therefore the KO was fully its. Unless Mallow actively exerted a force on Rowlet then she shouldn't count differently from a wall or other inanimate objects for this particular case.
     
  4. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja Grinning Shorty is the most adorable

    Well this is something I've argued in the previous page of this thread which has been dismissed only because 'Mallow isn't part of the battlefield. It often happens that a Pokemon is sent flying by an opponent's moves into a hard surface and it's knocked out. Infernape KO'd Aggron the same way, in XY&Z13, Greninja KO'd Sceptile that way. In these cases the opponents attack is what sent the Pokemon flying into a hard thing and that contributed in the knockout, these counted as wins. So why shouldn't Rowlet's loss count?
     
    Last edited: Aug 3, 2017
  5. 1rkhachatryan

    1rkhachatryan Call me Robert guys

    Except a wall and a person are two different things. One is completely immobile where as the other was completely hit by chance and shouldn't have been there in the first place. And we also saw that Mallow was clearly in pain from the hit so it wasn't just a little bump meaning that Rowlet hit her hard and could of easily been knocked out from that alone.
     
  6. Genaller

    Genaller So what?

    Well as long as the pokeverse follows standard physics (which it seems to for the most part) then yeah it should count as a loss for Rowlet.
     
  7. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja Grinning Shorty is the most adorable

    But the question here is that did Mallow actively exert a force on Rowlet? The answer is no. It was fully the force of Oricorio's attack that sent Rowlet flying into Mallow, so Mallow probably didn't play any different part that what a wall in that scenario would've. And Mallow naturally would be in pain if Rowlet hits her on the head.
     
  8. 1rkhachatryan

    1rkhachatryan Call me Robert guys

    Regardless the point is we don't know if Rowlet was already knocked out prior to the hit or if he even would of been knocked out if he simply hit the floor.
     
  9. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja Grinning Shorty is the most adorable

    Knocked out prior to the hit: does this really matters? It's similar to hitting a wall actually, since Oricorio's attack sent Rowlet flying into Mallow. Infernape vs Aggron was basically the same thing, Aggron wasn't shown knocked out before it hit the wall beside the battlefield. It often happens in battle that a Pokemon is sent flying by its opponent's attack and is knocked out by hitting a hard surface. Since Mallow didn't actively exert any force, she isn't any different from a wall in this case.
     
    Last edited: Aug 3, 2017
  10. Master Pikachu 11

    Master Pikachu 11 Well-Known Member

    I'm not going to count Rowlet getting knocked out as a loss because one it's a double battle and two it was because of Rockruff, so with that said here are records:

    Pikachu: 3-1
    Rowlet: 4-1
    Rockruff: 2-0
    Litten: 1-0
     
  11. 1rkhachatryan

    1rkhachatryan Call me Robert guys

    Who did Pikachu lose to??
     
  12. Master Pikachu 11

    Master Pikachu 11 Well-Known Member

    I was thinking it lost the rematch to Tapu Koko
     
  13. 1rkhachatryan

    1rkhachatryan Call me Robert guys

    Not really, he fell off a cliff lol. I'd call that as interrupted as it gets.
     
  14. Genaller

    Genaller So what?

    Eh for me it would go Pikachu:4-0, Rowlet:4-2, Rockruff:2-0, Litten:1-0.
     
  15. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja Grinning Shorty is the most adorable

    Pretty much this. Rowlet hitting Mallow's head isn't logically a reason for it getting a free pass of its loss against Oricorio (seriously no different than Infernape vs Aggron or Greninja vs Sceptile in XY&Z13). Gary's Blastoise also send Bayleef flying into the stadium wall outside the battlefield to knock out Bayleef.
     
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2017
  16. Genaller

    Genaller So what?

    Hitting Mallow or the canvas really shouldn't make much of a difference (except that the ground can't feel pain). Anyways it's clear from the narrative that we're supposed to consider that as a clean loss meant to show that Rowlet has a long way to go. On a side note I wonder if Pikachu might beat his 20-6 Kalos record at this rate.
     
  17. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja Grinning Shorty is the most adorable

    Yeah I'm still wondering whether Pikachu will at all lose any battle this saga (unless it has a complete battle with Tapu Koko). :)
     
  18. Master Pikachu 11

    Master Pikachu 11 Well-Known Member

    Where did Pikachu get its 4th win? As I know that It beat Gumshoos, Totem Gumshoos and Hala's ace.
     
  19. Master Pikachu 11

    Master Pikachu 11 Well-Known Member

    Ok I guess that would make sense
     
  20. Golden_Latias

    Golden_Latias #SlayQueenSlay

    Butler James's Oricorio in SM30.

    Yeah, it was under Lillie's command, but it still counts.
     

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