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The Battle Record Thread V2

Discussion in 'Animé Spoilers' started by 1rkhachatryan, Nov 7, 2016.

  1. ShadowForce720

    ShadowForce720 Well-Known Member

    oh yeah doesn't this need to be updated as Rockruff should be replaced by Dusk Lycanroc, as it just evolved in today's episode.
     
  2. 1rkhachatryan

    1rkhachatryan Call me Robert guys

    Ok, added, thanks for the reminder. Also decided to add Midday to Olivia's to clarify between the three.
     
  3. p96822

    p96822 Evolve me please

    Kiawe Turtonator
    VS Alolan Marowak-L
    VS Alolan Marowak(rematch)-W
    VS Mega Steelix L
    W-1 L-2 D-

    Ash's Pikachu

    VS Gumshoos and Yungoos-W
    VS Totem Gumshoos-W
    VS Hariyama-W
    VS Oricorio-W
    Vs Mega Gyarados

    W-5 L- D
     
  4. 1rkhachatryan

    1rkhachatryan Call me Robert guys

    Added Ash's win and Kiawe's loss :).
     
  5. ShadowForce720

    ShadowForce720 Well-Known Member

    just pointing this out but for Kiawe's Turtonator shouldn't it be two loses instead of one because I know the one is lost to Alolan Marowak, but then it had a lost to Mega Steelix and you put that battle in the record but it seems like when you were totaling up Turtonator's wins and loses you forgot to add a lost to Tutonator it should L-2 instead of L-1.
     
  6. 1rkhachatryan

    1rkhachatryan Call me Robert guys

    Whoops, sorry I added it to the list but not the total, my bad xD.
     
  7. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja Grinning Shorty is the most adorable

    It's time to add Dusk Lycanroc's loss to Type:Null here.
     
    Last edited: Oct 26, 2017
  8. 1rkhachatryan

    1rkhachatryan Call me Robert guys

    Added, thanks for reminding me, totally slipped my mind with school keeping me busy lol.
     
  9. p96822

    p96822 Evolve me please

    Marowak and Tortanator defeat Salazzle
     
  10. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja Grinning Shorty is the most adorable

    And Salazzle is shown to be back and fighting in SM54's preview, so that shouldn't count.
     
  11. ShadowForce720

    ShadowForce720 Well-Known Member

    no, it still counts because regardless of whether or not it comes back in episode 54, the point is it was still very clearly knocked out and lost in episode 53 considering it had the swirly eyes on it.
     
  12. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja Grinning Shorty is the most adorable

    If an opponent is shown to come back to consiousness and fight after you knock him out, then the the KO is pointless since the battle is continuing. So by your logic Brock's Forretress won over James's Cacnea back in AG though Cacnea recovered though healing methods by other Pokemon, came back, and knocked out Forretress?
     
  13. ShadowForce720

    ShadowForce720 Well-Known Member

    No, it doesn't, it still counts as a win for Alolan Marowak and Turtonator because it was clearly shown that Salazzle had the swirly eyes and therefore lost, and no you can you use the whole situation with James's Cacena and Brock's Forretress to disprove that because in that entire battle between them Cacnea never had the Swirly eyes that showed that it was clearly defeated were Forretress did, so no Brock's Forretress did not get a win over Cacnea in that episode, plus going by your logic then that should mean that Ash's pokemon's wins over the Totem Pokemon shouldn't count as after showing the Swirly eyes they got back up and where well enough to give Ash the Z-crystal not to mention the fact that within the same episode as the battle with Totem Gumshoos, even though it just lost it was still able to go and attack the Alolan Rattata and Raticate which would mean by your own logic that Ash's win over it shouldn't count.

    Also no you can not cherry pick and say that oh the wins against Totem Pokemon which showed the Swirly eyes count but not the battle against Salazzle. The point is Salazzle clearly without a shadow of a doubt showed the Swirly eyes which means that it was defeated and the win counts, it doesn't matter if it comes back in episode 54, considering that still doesn't change the fact that it got defeated.
     
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  14. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja Grinning Shorty is the most adorable

    No you're wrong here, Cacnea was KO'd and it got revived, Ash clearly says afterwards: 'Cacnea was knocked out and it got revived?' So yeah, my example is relevant.


    ?????? Did you miss my entire point? If a opponent Pokemon comes back to consiousness and continues the fight, then the KO shouldn't count, like Cacnea vs Forretress. In the Totem's cases the fight didn't continue after the Totem's were knocked out. The Totems were KO'd, and the fight ended.
     
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2017
  15. ShadowForce720

    ShadowForce720 Well-Known Member

    No, your example is not relevant because in that battle Cacnea did not show Swirly eyes that indicated that it was defeated, or that it had been knocked unconscious. No, Again Salazzle was clearly defeated as unlike Cacnea, Salazzle did have Swirly eyes therefore by the criteria of this thread it does count as a defeat for Salazzle.
     
  16. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja Grinning Shorty is the most adorable

    And then again Ash's statement proves your point outright wrong, and confirms that Cacnea was KO'd.

    You're still missing the simple point that if after being KO'd a Pokemon revives and continues the fight, then the fight isn't over, it's still continuing. So nobody is the winner until the fight ends. So the KO is absolutely pointless there.
     
  17. ShadowForce720

    ShadowForce720 Well-Known Member

    No, it doesn't because again Cacnea never showed the Swirly eyes that would indicate that it was defeated meaning regardless of what Ash said Cacnea wasn't yet knocked out. And your missing the point Salazzle clearly showed the swirly eyes meaning by the criteria of this thread it was defeated and the win does count, it doesn't matter if it got revived and came back the point is it was still KO quite clearly and by the criteria of this thread where Swirly eyes means a defeat it means that regardless of it reviving the win still counts, you may not like it but it doesn't change that the win against Salazzle still counts.

    Going by the Criteria of this thread which says that showing swirly eyes is a actual defeat, and it does not say that it some how is voided if the Pokemon gets revived that means whether you like it or not using the criteria of this thread Salazzle was defeated and the win does count.
     
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2017
  18. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja Grinning Shorty is the most adorable

    Oh, so if it's clearly mentioned and confirmed by a statement that a Pokemon is knocked out, it isn't knocked out because it didn't have swirly eyes?

    Simple thing: Swirly eyes aren't needed when it's confirmed by a statement. What about Pikachu vs Latios? Did they have swirly eyes? So by your logic it wasn't a Double KO, right?

    If the fight is continuing do to the Pokemon getting revived after it's KO'd, then the KO is pointless because the fight hasn't ended, it's still continuing. So nobody still has won that fight. Otherwise, by that logic, Forretress also got a win against Cacnea though Cacnea came back and KO'd Forretress.
     
  19. ShadowForce720

    ShadowForce720 Well-Known Member


    No, because in the case of Pikachu vs Latios there was a official referee/judge in the match that determined whether or not the Pokemon were knocked out, and I know this may come as a shock to you but Ash is not a official judge or referee meaning that just because Ash might think it got knocked out doesn't mean it was actually knocked out. Also it doesn't matter if you think the KO is pointless, considering that by criteria of this thread it means that the Win against Sazzale still counts.

    Also the criteria of this thread does not anywhere state that a Pokemon getting revived after it showed the swirly eyes voids the win, all it says that a Pokemon that shows swirly eyes means that it was defeated, meaning that the win against Salazzle still counts as it fits the criteria of the thread which the same can't be said about the whole thing about Forretress vs Cacnea, if you don't like it take it up with Robert since he is the one who made this thread and the criteria for which battle count in this thread.
     
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  20. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja Grinning Shorty is the most adorable

    And that point is moot, because it's the writers who put in the statements to confirm whether a Pokemon was knocked out. What is the point of the writers putting in the statement, if Cacnea wasn't KO'd?

    And then again, by your logic, Turtonator's loss vs Alolan Marowak in this thread shouldn't count, because swirly eyes weren't shown, and there was no official referee. And then again, what about Charizard vs Poliwrath(1st match), where Charizard didn't have swirly eyes, and there was no referee? What about Greninja vs Clawitzer in Ash vs Sawyer 3rd battle, where Clawitzer didn't have swirly eyes, and there was no referee?

    And sorry there is no question of any criteria when the fight is continuing after the Pokemon has got revived, which means the fight hasn't ended. Otherwise you have to also say Forretress beat Cacnea even though Cacnea came back and KO'd Forretress, which hardly makes any sense.
     
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