The Battle Record Thread V4

[MartínK]

In my opinion wild pokemón battles shouldn't count unless is infected by Rakua mist.

And yeah, Floragato lost against Teddiursa.

 

[1rkhachatryan]

Yeah, I don't wanna dogpile on the original thread creator here but I just really don't like the way the records have been kept whatsoever. So many biases and arbitrary reasons to stay within those biases. Narrative should always take precedent here and I honestly hope someone else creates the v5 of it next series if the complaints aren't gonna be addressed. This should be a record kept factually regardless of biases and if there is a conflict, narrative should always take precedence and if that is confusing, just go with what the community, the ones regularly watching have a consensus on

Honestly the complaint over the shows OWN NARRATIVE CHOICE, is super weird here. They invented the swirly eyes and judges calls lol. I didn't invent some arbitrary reasoning, for what works and doesn't. The only rule I I made was no TR as then Pikachu would have a record of 200 for blasting them off every 3 seconds. If ya'll want I can go stricter though and not include wild battles, and only show valid judgement based wins and loses. The reason I tend to only include swirly eyes or officials judging calls is exactly to avoid a situation where I have to make a weird call like with Friede vs Spinel where yes Friede did better but we also didn't see the ending so who knows how it ended. Or this Liko test. Like especially after the show contradicts itself. Like the one user above stated, tera ending doesn't mean automatic fainting EVERYTIME which the Zygarde ending proved where they all got knocked out of tera but none of them fainted.

 

[SerGoldenhandtheJust]

Honestly the complaint over the shows OWN NARRATIVE CHOICE, is super weird here. They invented the swirly eyes and judges calls lol. I didn't invent some arbitrary reasoning, for what works and doesn't. The only rule I I made was no TR as then Pikachu would have a record of 200 for blasting them off every 3 seconds. If ya'll want I can go stricter though and not include wild battles, and only show valid judgement based wins and loses. The reason I tend to only include swirly eyes or officials judging calls is exactly to avoid a situation where I have to make a weird call like with Friede vs Spinel where yes Friede did better but we also didn't see the ending so who knows how it ended. Or this Liko test. Like especially after the show contradicts itself. Like the one user above stated, tera ending doesn't mean automatic fainting EVERYTIME which the Zygarde ending proved where they all got knocked out of tera but none of them fainted.

I don’t mind you not including Friede vs Spinel even though we can assume Friede won because we weren’t shown.

But this is a battle record thread, not a fainting thread. If a battle is lost even though the mon hasn’t been shown with the swirly eyes and the judge calling, it still should be shown. Floragato had indeed lost the battle, it’s why Liko loses the test even if we don’t see it faint in traditional methods. It’s also why we get a rematch down the road. This is different than Cynthia calling off a battle with axew coz the purpose was to train Axew.

So yeah it does feel arbitrary to not include it, evident by how not just me but so many people are perplexed and bothered by it and think it should be added. It just makes sense

 

[1rkhachatryan]

I don’t mind you not including Friede vs Spinel even though we can assume Friede won because we weren’t shown.

But this is a battle record thread, not a fainting thread. If a battle is lost even though the mon hasn’t been shown with the swirly eyes and the judge calling, it still should be shown. Floragato had indeed lost the battle, it’s why Liko loses the test even if we don’t see it faint in traditional methods. It’s also why we get a rematch down the road. This is different than Cynthia calling off a battle with axew coz the purpose was to train Axew.

So yeah it does feel arbitrary to not include it, evident by how not just me but so many people are perplexed and bothered by it and think it should be added. It just makes sense

Um what?? The only test Liko lost was against Grusha and swirly eyes were shown there. They passed the tests against Katy and Katy even said it was never about winning or losing, it was about showing the bond and that she was going to end the battle sooner yet got carried away.

It's not this black and white situation that ya'll are making it seem as again, them ANIME has shown that tera ending, doesn't mean fainting.

 

[Blue Saturday]

Not trying to argue too hard, but Kaede’s entire lesson was about putting your whole heart into everything whether you succeed or fail. That’s why the kids and Murdock were so disheartened when Nyarote was KO’d after Himeguma Terastallized, it looked like a clear failure. The twist was that Liko still passed because she “Terastallized at the right time,” despite losing the actual battle. She passed for her timing, not for her battle performance.

That’s also why, when Liko lost to Grusha, she was shocked but still waited for the results, knowing a pass was still possible. Roy and Dot even reassured her that doing well could matter more than just winning.

By this point in the anime, "swirly eyes" seem to show up only 60–70% of the time. They were more common in the earlier, gag-heavy episodes, but now they’re clearly used based on tone. Serious battles or characters like Amethio’s Soulblaze, often skip them entirely.

 

[SerGoldenhandtheJust]

Not trying to argue too hard, but Kaede’s entire lesson was about putting your whole heart into everything whether you succeed or fail. That’s why the kids and Murdock were so disheartened when Nyarote was KO’d after Himeguma Terastallized, it looked like a clear failure. The twist was that Liko still passed because she “Terastallized at the right time,” despite losing the actual battle. She passed for her timing, not for her battle performance.

That’s also why, when Liko lost to Grusha, she was shocked but still waited for the results, knowing a pass was still possible. Roy and Dot even reassured her that doing well could matter more than just winning.

By this point in the anime, "swirly eyes" seem to show up only 60–70% of the time. They were more common in the earlier, gag-heavy episodes, but now they’re clearly used based on tone. Serious battles or characters like Amethio’s Soulblaze, often skip them entirely.

Yeah, bringing up the Zygarde thing is such a copout coz it happens later, so the original decision for this to not be included is even more flimsy in retrospect.
At the end of the day it's gonna be what he decides, but when most of the community thinks it's a loss and the narrative literally has a rematch for her to win......I think it's obvious.

Um what?? The only test Liko lost was against Grusha and swirly eyes were shown there. They passed the tests against Katy and Katy even said it was never about winning or losing, it was about showing the bond and that she was going to end the battle sooner yet got carried away.

It's not this black and white situation that ya'll are making it seem as again, them ANIME has shown that tera ending, doesn't mean fainting.

Yeah my bad on the test thing but the point still stands. The swirly eyes logic doesn't really hold weight when the episode still treats it as a loss but it's your decision atp, the rest of us have tried to make the argument enough times

 

[1rkhachatryan]

Yeah, bringing up the Zygarde thing is such a copout coz it happens later, so the original decision for this to not be included is even more flimsy in retrospect.
At the end of the day it's gonna be what he decides, but when most of the community thinks it's a loss and the narrative literally has a rematch for her to win......I think it's obvious.


Yeah my bad on the test thing but the point still stands. The swirly eyes logic doesn't really hold weight when the episode still treats it as a loss but it's your decision atp, the rest of us have tried to make the argument enough times

Na, this rematch had nothing to do with their first battle, it was to show Murdock that the gang had gotten stronger and can handle themselves, it wasn't a redemption battle with Katy. They don't even mention their first battle outside of referencing Teddiursa. While it looks that way to us, it wasn't treated that way by the show.

Every other tera course battle had a final outcome which was the pokemon fainting EXCEPT for with Liko vs Katy where Katy ended the battle by choice and was going to end it even sooner. Liko says I'm sorry we lost specifically because Katy says this battle is over, not because Floragato herself fainted or anything.

 

[SerGoldenhandtheJust]

Liko says I'm sorry we lost specifically because Katy says this battle is over, not because Floragato herself fainted or anything.

Why would Liko say "Im sorry we lost" when Katy says the battle is over, if she hadn't in fact lost??

 

[1rkhachatryan]

Why would Liko say "Im sorry we lost" when Katy says the battle is over, if she hadn't in fact lost??

Because at that point, Liko thought she failed the course lol. Katy hadn't explained that she passed yet.

 

[SerGoldenhandtheJust]

Because at that point, Liko thought she failed the course lol. Katy hadn't explained that she passed yet.

But she assumed she failed the course because she assumed she lost the battle….

 

[1rkhachatryan]

But she assumed she failed the course because she assumed she lost the battle….

Yes but not because Floragato fainted but because Katy ended the battle. Again, EVERY other tera course battle had a definite conclusion except this one where Katy made sure to mention that winning or losing isn't the point of the course. Ya'll keep acting like this is a black and white loss and it just isn't. Especially when Katy SPECIFICALLY mentions that she was going to end the battle before she used tera but got carried a way.

 

[TorterraLover]

The simplest way to determine this is have a vote. Majority wins.

If you think Teddirusa should count as an L for Floragato like this comment

If you think Teddiursa battle should not count at all, like the comment above

 

[SerGoldenhandtheJust]

Yes but not because Floragato fainted but because Katy ended the battle. Again, EVERY other tera course battle had a definite conclusion except this one where Katy made sure to mention that winning or losing isn't the point of the course. Ya'll keep acting like this is a black and white loss and it just isn't.

If Floragato still had energy to go on and hadnt lost, Liko wouldn't have considered it a lost or just given up. You're overlooking this way too much to make excuses when the entire explanation was to show how Liko passes despite losing the battle

Especially when Katy SPECIFICALLY mentions that she was going to end the battle before she used tera but got carried a way.

Yeah exactly, she wanted to end the battle before but got carried away into finished it, enjoying Liko's passion for battle igniting with when she terrastalised her pokemon. Which is why it's still a W for teddiursa by the end of the battle. I hate to be accusatory but I honestly feel like you're clouding your judgement with ur bias for Liko and if it was Roy instead, you would have marked it as a L.

 

[1rkhachatryan]

If Floragato still had energy to go on and hadnt lost, Liko wouldn't have considered it a lost or just given up. You're overlooking this way too much to make excuses when the entire explanation was to show how Liko passes despite losing the battle

Yeah exactly, she wanted to end the battle before but got carried away into finished it, enjoying Liko's passion for battle igniting with when she terrastalised her pokemon. Which is why it's still a W for teddiursa by the end of the battle. I hate to be accusatory but I honestly feel like you're clouding your judgement with ur bias for Liko and if it was Roy instead, you would have marked it as a L.

Yes she would have, because she respects Katy too much to argue with her.

Also lol at the bias accusation because I promise you every other time there hasn't been swirly eyes or a battle conclusion I haven't included them either way back for Ash is in the past. You think this is the first "contested" battle in the show?? People in the past have wanted a incompleted battle section so it doesn't look like certain pokemon haven't just stood there all series. I literally bought up how EVERY OTHER TERA COURSE BATTLE had a definite conclusion with swirly eyes or the battle called for one side or the other. Literally every single one except this one where they specifically chose NOT TO.

 

[SerGoldenhandtheJust]

Yes she would have, because she respects Katy too much to argue with her.

Also lol at the bias accusation because I promise you every other time there hasn't been swirly eyes or a battle conclusion I haven't included them either way back for Ash is in the past. You think this is the first "contested" battle in the show?? People in the past have wanted a incompleted battle section so it doesn't look like certain pokemon haven't just stood there all series. I literally bought up how EVERY OTHER TERA COURSE BATTLE had a definite conclusion with swirly eyes or the battle called for one side or the other. Literally every single one except this one where they specifically chose NOT TO.

Aight I guess we atp we gonna agree to disagree ig. At the end of the day, your call