I wish there were databooks in this franchise. Then we might be able to know for sure whether or not Butterfree was supposed to evolve from Venonat. At the moment I think it's possible that they could've been planned to be related to each other at some point. I originally didn't think that it could be the case but I've been reading stuff about beta designs recently and I think it's possible that those two were planned to be part of the same evolutionary family.
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The Butterfree/Venomoth problem
- Thread starter kaialone
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ShadowSplash
Spring is Coming!
You forget that the Caterpie evolution line follows exactly how a real caterpillar life is. Caterpillars -> Cacoons -> Butterflies.
But I do agree completely that Venonat has a lot of features that Butterfree has.
But I do agree completely that Venonat has a lot of features that Butterfree has.
Actually, some caterpillars grow to become moths. It was mentioned several pages ago I believe. That was actually the most important thing I learned from this thread. I was going to argue the same thing as you until I noticed that caterpillars can really become moths. So Caterpie possibly evolving into Metapod and then Venomoth isn't so strange :x
UberSorcerer
Well-Known Member
Urgh, Porn Bot.
Anyway, I think this is easily explained.
The Hex Values of Venonat and the data for Venomoth are far away, but Caterpie/Metapod/Butterfree are in order and near the end. At this point, 'Venomoth' has Butterfree's Sprite, while 'Butterfree' has Venomoth's. Someone realized how much resemblance Butterfree has to Mothra(As much as Lawyer will allow), so they put the picture with the Caterpillar and Cacoon, Mothra's iconic first forms.
Also note, 'Venomoth', or Morphon, looks NOTHING like a Morpho Butterfly, while Butterfree does.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Blue_morpho_butterfly.jpg
Anyway, I think this is easily explained.
The Hex Values of Venonat and the data for Venomoth are far away, but Caterpie/Metapod/Butterfree are in order and near the end. At this point, 'Venomoth' has Butterfree's Sprite, while 'Butterfree' has Venomoth's. Someone realized how much resemblance Butterfree has to Mothra(As much as Lawyer will allow), so they put the picture with the Caterpillar and Cacoon, Mothra's iconic first forms.
Also note, 'Venomoth', or Morphon, looks NOTHING like a Morpho Butterfly, while Butterfree does.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Blue_morpho_butterfly.jpg
Iron Beast
The Eon Pokemon
i think that buterfree and veninat do look earily similar but i think they where runing out of ideas at the time. i mean look at the pokemon we have in the 5th gen. some look pretty wierd and completely made up but more original.
somtimes i think gamefreak is doing this just to mess w/ us
somtimes i think gamefreak is doing this just to mess w/ us
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That butterfly doesn't look much like either Venomoth or Butterfree to be honest. But I have learned that Pokemon don't always have to look exactly like the animal they're based upon. At this time, I think there's an even chance that Venomoth was planned to evolve from Caterpie and Metapod. I like the way things are now, but it would've been cool if things were different.
legendarypokemonmaster
Well-Known Member
Nice theory, but I'm not quite convinced. Ah, if on;y we could talk to the creators about all of the theories...
Terra Force
<-- Current Hunt
I doubt that they had intended that it's probably just because venonat and Butterfree are both bug types. Pure coincedence.
Porygon tamer
May Fanboy.
I don't beleive this theory is true. I think Mothim looks like a moth. And I think Butterfree looks like a butterfly. [/thread.]
SphealsFTW
Money is the anthem!
I support your theory 100%. I don't see how it could just be a coincidence O:. I mean, Venonat and Butterfree look so similar... And Venomoth/Metapod/Caterpie seem to have a lot of similarties as well.
The one thing I'll never understand is WHY the two were switched ;P.
The one thing I'll never understand is WHY the two were switched ;P.
I think I saw something like this on Smogon Forums. Here's the link. (Post#194) http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52319&page=8 (Be warned though use of vulgarities.)
Anyway, I still support this theory.
Aegon
Well-Known Member
I've seen this brought up before. I do believe that Venonat was originally meant to evolve into Butterfree. They have way too many similarities, and Caterpie and Metapod also have aspects in common with Venomoth. There is too much of a likeness for it to be pure coincidence. . .
Mecha-Meowthinator
Magikarp Maniac
Your theory is very well thought out, but I respectfully disagree. You have to keep in mind an actual butterfly's life. They start as caterpillars. it wouldn't make sense if Butterfree evolved from Venonat.
Again, nice theory though.
Again, nice theory though.
EpicDragonFlame
Basic PokéNerd
This may be quite a necro, but, here I go.
First, disregard the names. This is a game of Japanese creation and Venomoth is clearly NOT a moth. But I have an argument.
I am towards the theory. I have some proof in a sense. In the original Sugomori artwork, Caterpie had six legs (This was changed later for consistency with Butterfree). This is also subtle but obvious in the gen I sprites. Venomoth has six legs, too, but Venonat has four legs, like Butterfree.
In all sense, comparing Butterfree and Venomoth, without the names, presumed Butterfree looks more like a moth. "But I like that Caterpie evolves into a beautiful butterfly and not an ugly moth" Well, I find presumed Venomoth a lot better looking than the former, and more like Caterpie.
If you swap the names, Butterfree seems even more like an evolution to Venonat. This is all I have for now.
First, disregard the names. This is a game of Japanese creation and Venomoth is clearly NOT a moth. But I have an argument.
I am towards the theory. I have some proof in a sense. In the original Sugomori artwork, Caterpie had six legs (This was changed later for consistency with Butterfree). This is also subtle but obvious in the gen I sprites. Venomoth has six legs, too, but Venonat has four legs, like Butterfree.
In all sense, comparing Butterfree and Venomoth, without the names, presumed Butterfree looks more like a moth. "But I like that Caterpie evolves into a beautiful butterfly and not an ugly moth" Well, I find presumed Venomoth a lot better looking than the former, and more like Caterpie.
If you swap the names, Butterfree seems even more like an evolution to Venonat. This is all I have for now.