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The bystanders effect: a problem that people should be more aware about?

Discussion in 'Debate Forum' started by (s.i.e), Feb 4, 2010.

  1. (s.i.e)

    (s.i.e) ★skydragon★


    i'd like to open a debate about this subject seeing as this occurs more then we sometimes are aware about. despite the fact that there have been commercials about it here and there should there be more attention spend to this subject and should people be educated about it on school?

    discuss.
     
  2. Katipunero

    Katipunero Eye in the Sky

    So the bystanders effect is about people not helping others when they are suffering?Like what happened to my classmate you said in "Most embarassing moments"?
     
  3. (s.i.e)

    (s.i.e) ★skydragon★

    the gymteacher didn't notice but multiple others did i assumed (hearing as bullies undressed one of your classmates at gym), but if i maybe wrong in that situation feel free to send me VM.
     
  4. Vermehlo_Steele

    Vermehlo_Steele Grand Arbiter II

    It's intersting, isn't it now.
    Everone says 'NOZ, i wouldz halpz no materrsz wot u say as rapez/murdar/ theivingz is EVIL !!!!!111!1!!11!!'
    The idea that being social as we are, we do what is 'cool' for fear of being socially outcast.
    http://psychology.about.com/od/socialpsychology/a/bystandereffect.htm

    And, yes, I've been guilty of this.
     
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2010
  5. Ash-kid

    Ash-kid Ash-kid

    Yes, we should pay more attention to bystanders, it's very important.
    There are people who need help like you said in a car accident, and nobody helps. This must to change.
     
  6. Katipunero

    Katipunero Eye in the Sky

    People nowadays are selfish of thinking only of themselves
     
  7. 7 tyranitars

    7 tyranitars Well-Known Member

    yep but I think it's also a little bit fear, imagine you someon get shot if you help him you risk being shot too, you can say yes I will help the person but then your body just won't move
     
  8. I notice that you think about what would happen if something bad happened (let's say a shooting), you just think "I'll just shoot them back", but when it actually happens, people are too scared to help.

    It's a shame, but there isn't much that can be done about it. Fear is just too strong a lot of the time.
     
  9. Ash-kid

    Ash-kid Ash-kid

    At least you can help by calling the police / ambulance rather than flee.

    And if you are run away from there if someone is shoots a gun it's fine, I meant to a car accident.
     
  10. Noctourniquet

    Noctourniquet ∆∆∆

    Interesting topic...

    I don't know how America is, socially speaking, but in England I actually wouldn't really expect anyone to help in a crowded area like London or wherever. I suppose the reason for the effect is that one person gets shot or w/e, and then some more people are scared. Fear can spread through a crowd, and in the end people are either too scared to help, don't know what to do, or don't want to stand out.
     
  11. Poliwag2

    Poliwag2 ship it holla

    Bystanders rationally avoid taking responsibility in such situations to avoid litigation in case they get it wrong.
     
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2010
  12. Vermehlo_Steele

    Vermehlo_Steele Grand Arbiter II

    You guys are aware it happens all around the world, and it's not just limited to this century.
     
  13. GhostAnime

    GhostAnime Searching for her...

    You guys are ignoring the first post. Fear is hardly a reason for the bystander effect. It has more to do with responsibility. People feel less responsible if more people are around them, obviously. That's human nature and there is nothing you can do about that.
     
  14. ShinyPichu4Ever

    ShinyPichu4Ever Eye of the Storm

    The Bystander Effect is caused in large crowds of people usually due to the fact that everyone is thinking "Oh, someone else will help them."

    It's a horrible thing.
     
  15. 7 tyranitars

    7 tyranitars Well-Known Member

    yeah sure that also happens but what I ment that in some cases it's more fear then''someon else helps'
     
  16. GhostAnime

    GhostAnime Searching for her...

    Well you would be wrong psychologically because this has already been tested. It is usually responsibility related and not fear. They aren't talking about in situations where you hear a gunshot and people riot. They're talking about when everything already happened.
     
  17. ShinyPichu4Ever

    ShinyPichu4Ever Eye of the Storm

    yes, which is when they think "Oh someone else will take care of it, so I don't have to worry about it." And so no one helps since everyone is thinking that.
     
  18. ChronaMew

    ChronaMew Demonic Warrior

    In that case, people also want to go along with the crowd. That's the reason mobs and riots are so successful - people get into mob mentality and support the cause. In this case nobody is helping the man, so everyone wants to just blend in with the crowd instead of making a scene.
     
  19. Ash-kid

    Ash-kid Ash-kid

    On the other hand, they can at least try to help.
    I know that from the nature of things people are trying to flee and fear but if it happens to a close person to them they won't escape from there. that's what I'm saying, you need to help even if you don't know the humans.
     
  20. Grei

    Grei not the color

    People, it's not selfishness. The bystander effect isn't where a bunch of people say "I'm not going to help, that would require thinking of someone other than ME", lest it wouldn't be the bystander effect, which implies that it's a psychological response rather than a personality flaw in action.

    Poliwag2 states it well:

    People don't want to be wrong, so if they help out in a situation and end up screwing up, the responsibility falls on them for the incident. People don't want that, so they subconsciously stop themselves from taking action.

    It's not everybody choosing to stand aside, it's a psychological effect.
     

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