The case of George Zimmerman and deadly "stand your ground."

[Ambre]

The mainstream media was CAUGHT LYING about the audio. This was shown on TV. NBC has issued an apology since then. These are the facts.

The lie made it look to the general public like the incident was racially motivated. With all the outcries and threats that resulted from this, we can see how dangerous misinformation is.


Yes, others were at fault regarding the incident itself, but it doesn't change what NBC did. And it doesn't change the fact that Zimmerman probably walks if the charge isn't Manslaughter.

Like Viz said, the mainstream media wouldn't have anything to go on if not for the fact that the police did there job. The media lies all the time, are you suprised? That is why the police should have taken care of it before it even reached this far.

Also, because you don't know Florida Law, here we go. In Florida, the judge and jury can always lessen the charge. Zimmerman was charged for second degree murder. That means he can be charged with second degree manslaughter, and manslaughter, along with three other subsets. So in actuality, it is smart for the DA to go for the highest knowing that under Florida law, he is also tried for the subsets.

 

[Diz~]

Mainstream meidia with a race war? Listen this isn't about a race war. It started because the police failed to do their job. If they had done their job right then it would not of blown up into a big deal and would be just another of the I believe 26 deaths of Stand your Ground. However they failed and have attracted attention to themselves.

Thank God of Cyber for the internet.

 

[BigLutz]

Like Viz said, the mainstream media wouldn't have anything to go on if not for the fact that the police did there job. The media lies all the time, are you suprised? That is why the police should have taken care of it before it even reached this far.

A Older White Man shoots a Young Unarmed Black Male, in a state with Pro Gun laws. Of course the media would be all over it. You could have the police do everything properly, and you would still have a racist circus from the likes of Al Sharpton and The New Black Panthers, especially if Zimmerman made bail. And you would have the media constantly ringing their hands about how bad the law is, and how Zimmerman's story does not measure up.

I mean honestly in matters of White vs Black, when the race hustlers start coming in, the media tends to follow. The Duke Lacrosse Rape case is proof enough of that.

 

[Malanu]

A Older White Hispanic Man shoots a Young Unarmed Black Male, in a state with Pro Gun laws. Of course the media would be all over it. You could have the police do everything properly, and you would still have a racist circus from the likes of Al Sharpton and The New Black Panthers, especially if Zimmerman made bail. And you would have the media constantly ringing their hands about how bad the law is, and how Zimmerman's story does not measure up.

I mean honestly in matters of White vs Black, when the race hustlers start coming in, the media tends to follow. The Duke Lacrosse Rape case is proof enough of that.

I had to fix that for you Big. Color of his skin doesn't matter, nor does the name, He is a Hispanic not Caucasian.

 

[VIA]

http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimmerman-bloody-head-shot-trayvon-martin-graphic-photo

George Zimmerman had injuries that night. However that doesn't necessarily mean that Trayvon started the fight.

As far as the meidia goes there have been many incidents like this way before Trayvon Martin. Its cause the police did a horrific job not because they wanna start a race war.

 

[Malanu]

Those are definitely fresh 'flesh' wounds... and not the old healed gashes in his head we saw in the police video.

 

[BigLutz]

http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimmerman-bloody-head-shot-trayvon-martin-graphic-photo

George Zimmerman had injuries that night. However that doesn't necessarily mean that Trayvon started the fight.

At this point I don't think who started the fight matters, that photo is enough to say that Zimmerman had a fear that his head was about to be cracked open, with his brains littering the sidewalk. I would almost bet that the jury would let him off for self defense after that photo.

As far as the meidia goes there have been many incidents like this way before Trayvon Martin. Its cause the police did a horrific job not because they wanna start a race war.

So you are telling me that if Al Sharpton and his race baiters showed up to protest outside the court house, that the media would not pay attention?

 

[CSolarstorm]

The media may have started their coverage because of the police department's negligence, but most of the campaign afterwards was focused not on making the police do their job, but on punishing Zimmerman - there is a distinction - and reinforcing the narrative of Zimmerman's guilt as a racist and a killer. That's not the same thing as campaigning against the police for not doing their job correctly. And c'mon guys - we had MSNBC selectively editing Zimmerman's call to make him sound like a racist, and that was not needed to pressure the police. That is a media outlet taking action to make things racist when they weren't. If there's evidence that the media was trying to stir up racial tension, then say the truth with confidence, don't try to excuse it and act like it was some sort of irrelevant accident.

Something that's also bugging me is this circular, emotional logic that's at the heart of this case - "Oh of course Trayvon was going to stand his ground against a killer!" Zimmerman didn't become a killer until after he killed Treyvon. And given the evidence that he was getting beat up himself, there's no evidence that it was premeditated or with malice and more evidence to the contrary.

 

[7 tyranitars]

I had to fix that for you Big. Color of his skin doesn't matter, nor does the name, He is a Hispanic not Caucasian.

You beat me to it, I am starting to get really anoyed by the fact that people call him white, it is almost if people want the guy to be white just so they can make a decent race issue out of this.

 

[BigLutz]

Interesting note, if the Prosecutor had the bloody photo before she filed the affidavit, there is a possibility of her going to jail for perjury. As a affidavit must "swear to tell not only the truth, but the whole truth, and suppressing an important part of the whole truth is a lie." as Alan Dorshowitz has put it.

 

[Malanu]

That's actually a really good point to consider Big!

 

[SBaby]

Like Viz said, the mainstream media wouldn't have anything to go on if not for the fact that the police did there job. The media lies all the time, are you suprised? That is why the police should have taken care of it before it even reached this far.

Also, because you don't know Florida Law, here we go. In Florida, the judge and jury can always lessen the charge. Zimmerman was charged for second degree murder. That means he can be charged with second degree manslaughter, and manslaughter, along with three other subsets. So in actuality, it is smart for the DA to go for the highest knowing that under Florida law, he is also tried for the subsets.

I would like a link to the official site that has that law, so I can read it myself, and get more informed.

But anyway, this doesn't change the fact that the mainstream media used this event to try and start a race war. They were CAUGHT LYING. The FULL AUDIO was played. NBC issued an APOLOGY for the misinformation. These are the facts. Yes, I agree that the mainstream media lies all the time. But this time, it was obviously an attempt to start something.

And whether the police did the right thing initially or not doesn't change the fact that NBC reacted inappropriately to the situation by misinforming the public. It's just that this time, they were caught.

 

[ccangelopearl1362]

Fox News Channel: Safety, Location at Issue If Zimmerman Is Released

Should George Zimmerman stay in America, even in Florida, or might he have to get out, staying as many steps ahead of any unruly mobs as he can? On one hand, he has some links to the local community in Sanford, and he turned himself in without any coercion. He could also agree to regularly report to any authorities who are keeping an eye on him and wear an electronic ankle bracelet capable of monitoring his whereabouts, so that any risk to him lessens… if precisely because at this moment, protective custody via jail appears to be his safest place at this point in time. A meeting with Trayvon Martin’s parents may sound odd, but as usual, I think, the more disturbing implications of this case may lie in circumstances outside Sanford.:

Philadelphia Inquirer: Annette John-Hall: Black-on-black crime a crisis that needs a solution
Politico: George Zimmerman case could hit 2012 presidential race

“Domestic terrorism” is the phrase of choice that Ms. John-Hall used to describe the violence prevalent among young black males in cities throughout this country. She wants a broader conversation that will lead to strategies designed to reduce this violence, and she has praised two mayors who’ve evidently joined forces to this end. One wonders how easily these mayors could end up enlisting help from certain officials at the national level, assuming, of course, that certain groups don’t attempt to disrupt any proceedings about this matter. Assuming that Zimmerman chooses to compile a defense at an “evidentiary hearing”, preparations could get under way for such a hearing within a matter of months, right on time to converge with the 2012 presidential election. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney could find it necessary to develop some additional contingency plans involving this case if it comes to that, further crystallizing the split that this case has revealed across the United States.

 

[Breeder Drew]

This case is an interesting one in particular, because there are truths and lies on both sides. The media has tried to make Trayvon out to be this little angel, when in reality he was suspended from school a number of times and (if I remember correctly) beat up a bus driver. If that's true, it would help Zimmerman's case a lot. What I don't understand is why they can't find out what angle the bullet was shot from, which would really be the main point of this case. If the bullet was shot while Zimmerman was laying on the ground, odds are it was in self defense and Trayvon was on top of him beating him (notice the photos of the back of his head). If the bullet was shot while Zimmerman was standing up, then the odds are more in Trayvon's favor, which would likely mean that Trayvon didn't come after him at all, and was indeed a racist act.

Interesting case indeed.

 

[miles0624]

This case is an interesting one in particular, because there are truths and lies on both sides. The media has tried to make Trayvon out to be this little angel, when in reality he was suspended from school a number of times and (if I remember correctly) beat up a bus driver. If that's true, it would help Zimmerman's case a lot. What I don't understand is why they can't find out what angle the bullet was shot from, which would really be the main point of this case. If the bullet was shot while Zimmerman was laying on the ground, odds are it was in self defense and Trayvon was on top of him beating him (notice the photos of the back of his head). If the bullet was shot while Zimmerman was standing up, then the odds are more in Trayvon's favor, which would likely mean that Trayvon didn't come after him at all, and was indeed a racist act.

Interesting case indeed.

Well, all things aside, I don't possibly think racisim has anything to do with this. I think this was someone what just wanted to protect their "life, liberty, and property" in a way that he believed the government wouldn't. I think he was just a vigilante who believed in his protection. That doesn;t make it right, but it was an (after what I have been presented) an accident, possibly self defense. Could he have done things better? Yes. Should he be thrown in jail, I really don't know. He should definately have his gun priveleges taken away, but as for jail time, I am not sure. What do you guys think?

Personally, if it were just the judge deciding, I would give him a year, just to give people time to calm down, and his life wouldn't be as threatened. Yet, that would go on his record, and hender himself from getting a job. This is becoming a tough decision. (Espically deciding which evidence weighs more than the others. Further, which ones are valid. Only time will tell.

 

[Akamu]

All I have to say for this at the moment is:

Zimmerman is innocent. It's rather obvious if you ask me.

 

[miles0624]

All I have to say for this at the moment is:

Zimmerman is innocent. It's rather obvious if you ask me.

until proven guilty. =p

 

[Ambre]

until proven guilty. =p

Ok. That was awesome.

My personal opinions have changed a bit on this case. It has been reported just badly. I am going to argue that the media has made this thing into a race war, but I always argue that our media nowadays is just bad in general. They are all about ratings, and no longer the truth. It is sad, but this is true. V.V

I agree with Big in the fact the NAACP would have made this an issue either way. Especially if Zimmerman was found Innocent. Honestly, I thought the black panthers weren't existent, but oh well.

 

[Breeder Drew]

Honestly, I don't even know who is innocent and guilty anymore. For all we know, Zimmerman could have bashed his head against a wall a few times to make it look like Trayvon did it.

 

[KingWiggins]

If people like Zimmerman lived on MY street, I would be honestly too scared to go outside.
And it is pretty obvious this is more of a race issue. If there was a teenage white boy minding his own business behind the hoodie, I highly doubt things would have ended the same way. I do believe in the phrase "Innocent until proven guilty", but guys, stop trying to stand up for this *******, or even try to make alternative stories. Seriously.
If this man gets the chair (well, now it is needles, but psh.) I honestly wouldn't give a damn. Teach him to pick on somebody his own size, little p*ssy with a gun.