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the curse of the cool pokemon

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intergalactic platypus

Only rescues maidens
no, this isnt a crappy fanfic. its an observation. some cool pokemon are very useful like gengar or gardeivor. but many of them kind of suck to put it bluntly. castform, ninetales, smeargle, ditto, unown, crawdaunt, cacturne, tropius, piloswine-to name a few, these are all really cool pokemon who arent really that useful, particularly in the metagame. are they cursed? are they being punished for being so cool? discuss some of your favorite cool pokemon that end up not being that good
 

intergalactic platypus

Only rescues maidens
maybe...i use many of the pokemon i like though despite stats/movepools (which is why i use golduck, bellossom, swellow, muk, castform, and grumpig instead of the "stronger pokemon"). a lot of people use pokemon they prefer over the OUs anyway. look at Ilex and his oddish love for example
 
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Carpetted!

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Cacturne does not suck >/
(which is why i use golduck, bellossom, swellow, muk, castform, and grumpig instead of the "stronger pokemon").
Actually most of those are good UU material. And plenty of cool pokemon are good, like aerodactyl and snorlax.
 

/Exiled/

EternallyParadoxical
Piloswine does not suck. It can be a very good pokemon.
 

SnoringFrog

Well-Known Member
I use/have used Tropius, Roselia, Minun, Gardevoir, Crawdaunt, and Piloswine. And Gardevoir was really good! It pwned when I took it to the Battle Frontier. But yeah. lots of cool pokemon do kinda suck. Kabutops isn't all that great, and neither is Smeargle.
 

intergalactic platypus

Only rescues maidens
errrm, for those of you who said some of the pokemon i mentioned dont suck stat and movepoolwise are sadly wrong. every pokemon i named isnt horribly useful. but theyre very cool and i understand people who love to battle with them
 
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Hmmm. Well, some of them DO suck, but not all. Let's take a look:
No one uses Castform
Ninetails IS used, albeit rarely
Many people use smeargle ;-_-
No one uses ditto or Unown
Crawdaunt is almost never used
A few people use cacturne
Tropius and Piloswine are hardly ever used
Note that this is for the competitive metagame UU and NU
 

Horn Drill

ヘタリア!
Ditto is actually pretty good since it copies the foe's stat boosts when it uses Transform. It's just a pain to train ingame is all. =/

Umbreon is useless ingame.
Deoxys-E is useless.
Pidgeot has a horrible movepool and low Speed despite it's Pokedex entries.
Kingdra has a poor movepool and weird base stats.
Dewgong is Dewgong.

;087; DEEEEEEEWGONG-GONG-GOOONG!!!!!!!1111!
 
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Carpetted!

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Ditto is actually pretty good since it copies the foe's stat boosts when it uses Transform. It's just a pain to train ingame is all. =/
The stat BOOSTS, not the stats. Still gets 1HKO'ed by almost everything.
And you forgot exeggcute. No one uses exeggcute.
 

Valkyrie X

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Ah, there are a few Pokémon I love that aren't that powerful...

First of them is Charizard. Now, I know that it isn't totally weak, and I love it to death, but Typhlosion and Blaziken just outclass it when it comes to battling. I know that many people see it as weak and overrated...The latter I kind of reluctantly agree with, if you know what I mean. I guess it can be a good Pokémon if used right, but still...It can be KO'ed with Rock Slide, or even Thunder. Its weakness to Rock is just not good. It pains me that one of my favorite Pokémon has such a limited Special movepool (damn those creators for not letting it learn Thunderpunch!) and can be pwned so easily by Pokémon with Rock Slide, Thunderbolt, etc. Really...It just could have been so much better. *sigh*

Next is Absol...My second-favorite Dark-type. It has just NO STABing power, AT ALL. It would be completely owned by Heracross, period (well, unless the Absol knows Aerial Ace, but still...).

Then there's Kingdra...God, it's just so awesome and majestic, but the creators utterly ruined it, giving it NO movepool whatsoever...Honestly, there's just no use for it, because the only halfway-decent (and horribly common) movepool it can have consists of Rain Dance, Surf, and Ice Beam, which practically all other Water-types posess. And plus, it's a terrible Dragon Dancer. It could've been a truly great Pokémon, having only one type weakness and good defensive stats, but its movepool just wrecks it completely. It's sad.

And then there's Tropius. One of my favorite Grass-types. But its stats just aren't all that wonderful, and it gets owned by Ice Beam. There's not much to say here, really...

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Amadeus

Landshark
This makes me think of Absol's poor stat placement. The thing has a great Special movepool... with mediocre Sp. Attack. It's also too damn slow to get much done, really. This is going by my experiences with it on Collosseum.

Golduck actually helped me beat three pokemon in a row with Psych Up. I copied a Skarmory's Agility, then swept his whole team. Heh.

I concur on the Arcanine thing, by the way. Although, Extremespeed is pretty damn good.
 
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Naraku_Diabolos

DNC20/NIN10
Absol is mainly used for a physical sweeper. Use Aerial Ace, Shadow Ball, Slash and Swords Dance. Or, you could add Bite. Just use a Quick Claw for it to be held.

Charizard is used as a physical sweeper as well. Only add Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Blast Burn if you want your foe to feel the breath of fire. Also use Earthquake to deal damage to those Rock-types and Electric-types. I would still stick with Wing Attack if you don't have a TM of Aerial Ace, then again, I have sharked a whole slew of TMs on Ruby.

No one uses Exeggcute because it's a BASIC Pokemon. Use your head; people use Exeggutor.

Crawdaunt can be a mix of either a physical or special sweeper depending on its nature. I have two Crawdaunt, one with a nature for high Sp. Attack and low Attack. The other one is opposite. Special Sweeper Crawdaunt can utilize Surf/Ice Beam/Blizzard/Crunch/Crabhammer and the physical sweeper can learn Aerial Ace/Sludge Bomb/Brick Break etc.

Golduck can be the sh*t sometimes, meaning very useful. Breed it so it would have Psychic. I would use Surf/Ice Beam/Psychic/Brick Break as attacks.

I ALWAYS prefer attacking than defense, except for using my Shuckle. Shuckle should ALWAYS have this: Toxic, Wrap, Sandstorm, and Rest. That is the ultimate tank for a Shuckle. It's held item should Brightpowder or Leftovers. I have used that moveset since G/S/C days and I learned it from Stadium 2. Which is why sometimes you should buy a Players Guide (Nintendo Power is great) and look at your opponents' movesets for their Pokemon. That will always give you a true edge in battle; using their movesets so that you can overtake you friends and the computer.

Tropius should use Fly/Aerial Ace/Magical Leaf/Razor Leaf/Sunny Day/Bodyslam/Solarbeam/Earthquake.

Cacturne should use Needle Arm/Leech Seed/Toxic/Sandstorm. I sometimes use a second Cacturne with the same moveset, but switch Toxic out for Pin Missle just for the heck of it because of Cacturne's Attack stat.

Kingdra, and this is very important, you should (like people have said) keep Rain Dance. Use Hydro Pump, Ice Beam and Dragonbreath. That's always the most standard moveset for a Kingdra. Sometimes when I still use a Seadra, I throw in Toxic because of its ability trait of Poison Point.

Arcanine: Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Crunch/Take Down/Extremespeed. I used to enjoy having Dragonbreath back in G/S/C...

Umbreon is NEVER useless ingame. AT ALL. I have at least 4 on Sapphire and 3 on Crystal. You need to throw in Psychic to overcome its Fighting-type weakness at times. I would keep Bite and Sand-Attack as well, just to mess around at the foe. I would also advise using Toxic for it to tank when needed. Afterall, you should read the PokeDex entry for it in G/S. When it turns aggressive, poison sweats from its pours on its body. That is why I always stuck with Toxic.

Pidgeot too isn't useless. Despite not living up to its reputation in the PokeDex, you should have Quick Claw attached to it. Use Aerial Ace/Wing Attack/Quick Attack/Featherdance/Sand-Attack (which is never stupid)/Steel Wing (just use it against the foe for the defensive stat increase).

Deoxys-E? You mean Emerald? I still haven't messed with my Deoxys I caught legally on Emerald yet, including Mew. Although, use the moveset from Stadium 1 for Mewtwo: Thunderbolt, Blizzard, Psychic and Recover/Rest. VERY VERY USEFUL.

Ninetales is useful and I know how to make it that way. Use Flamethrower, Toxic, Fire Spin and Confuse Ray. The best way to totally screw up your opponents' lives.

My Roselia has Sludge Bomb, Leech Seed, Magical Leaf and Shadow Ball. Why Shadow Ball? Good reason; Roselia has a decent Attack stat depending on its nature. AND, it has a chance of lowering your opponents' Sp. Defense. And Shadow Ball works on Psychic-types who have an eye out for Roselia's Poison-type.

Piloswine should have Earthquake, Rockslide, Ice Beam and Blizzard. I got that from a Colosseum team.

Gardevoir should have Psychic, Thunderbolt, Hypnosis, and Dream Eater. Those take a lot out of an opponents' health.

Bellossom should have Magical Leaf, Sunny Day, Solarbeam, and Sludge Bomb. Don't ask me why Sludge Bomb, I kept it from when it was a Gloom.

You can create any possible moveset from a Smeargle. There are two ways: one-hit KO and aiming attacks (Lock-On/Mind Reader) or the use of Seismic Toss/Nightshade, Toxic and a filler.

No one uses Unown because it only has HIDDEN POWER. That's why it's never used in teams.

Ditto are used for making a mockery of your opponent by beating them at their own weak points. Such things like having Ditto Transform against a Dragonite that has Ice Beam/Blizzard and screwing it over like that. Or, Transform and counter with the opponents' moves that it's weak against.

Plusle and Minun are only used as supporters in Double Battles. Such as always keeping Helping Hand. I would also use either Thunderbolt or Thunder on one of the EACH. I would also keep Thunder-Wave and their Fake Tears and Charm. That can screw an opponent up with their stats being lowered.

Kabutops IS good too. Keep Mud-Shot on it along with either Rockslide/Ancientpower and Surf/Water Pulse and Ice Beam/Blizzard.

I think I made my point across some of these Pokemon very clearly. After all, when my city had the Pokemon TCG League, I used to work for it. I have all the 16 TCG Gym Badges XD I even have a hell of a lot of Promotional Cards like a Red Gyarados, Team Rocket Pre-Release Gyarados, Mew (Holo) etc. And what can I say, I own a 1st Edition Dark Charizard Holographic lolol Not lying there either. I had opened my second 1st Edition Booster Pack of Team Rocket when it first came out and there it was, that Dark Charizard. I also have 1st Edition Dark Weezing Holographic and a 1st Edition Heracross Holographic. But hey, this isn't the TCG section of the forums. Why am I here to boast?
 
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No one uses Exeggcute because it's a BASIC Pokemon. Use your head; people use Exeggutor.
Doesn't make it less cool.
Crawdaunt can be a mix of either a physical or special sweeper depending on its nature. I have two Crawdaunt, one with a nature for high Sp. Attack and low Attack. The other one is opposite. Special Sweeper Crawdaunt can utilize Surf/Ice Beam/Blizzard/Crunch/Crabhammer and the physical sweeper can learn Aerial Ace/Sludge Bomb/Brick Break etc.
Look at it's base stats. It's cut out to be a physical attacker.
I ALWAYS prefer attacking than defense, except for using my Shuckle. Shuckle should ALWAYS have this: Toxic, Wrap, Sandstorm, and Rest. That is the ultimate tank for a Shuckle. It's held item should Brightpowder or Leftovers. I have used that moveset since G/S/C days and I learned it from Stadium 2. Which is why sometimes you should buy a Players Guide (Nintendo Power is great) and look at your opponents' movesets for their Pokemon. That will always give you a true edge in battle; using their movesets so that you can overtake you friends and the computer.
Shuckle is awful. Sub kills it
Cacturne should use Needle Arm/Leech Seed/Toxic/Sandstorm. I sometimes use a second Cacturne with the same moveset, but switch Toxic out for Pin Missle just for the heck of it because of Cacturne's Attack stat.
Er, no. Cac is not an annoyer/staller.
Pidgeot too isn't useless. Despite not living up to its reputation in the PokeDex, you should have Quick Claw attached to it. Use Aerial Ace/Wing Attack/Quick Attack/Featherdance/Sand-Attack (which is never stupid)/Steel Wing (just use it against the foe for the defensive stat increase).
Quick Claw is a hax item, and we don't like those. They are not friendly.
Will post more here later. Night.
 

Amadeus

Landshark
I do agree that Umbreon isn't useless in-game, but I have only used it on Collosseum. On that, it was great for catching pokemon because it could take a hit if I needed it to. Also, Snatch is a killer. *cracks up* Maybe it's a little immature, but I had to laugh typing that.
 

Iveechan

<--- CHANTASTIC
It makes me a sad red panda that Hitmonchan got the short end of the stick as far as the hitmon go. Hitmonlee has superior attack and speed and a great ability... the low defense hardly bothered him. Then there's Hitmontop who has lower atack and speed, but makes up for it with higher defense and the intimidate ability. And what does my favorite cutie get? Non of his stats stand out when he's with his brothers, his speed and defense are both too low, and his ability is USELESS. The only great thing about Hitmonchan is Sky Uppercut, but everyone uses Brick Break anyhow. I wish they either tweaked Hitmonchan's base stats (which will never happen, Pokemon keep their stats), or he got an ability change (which will also probably not happen).

Well, almost nobody will think of Hitmonchan as being cool, but he's my favorite Pokemon, and it pains me that he's the weakest Hitmon. Atleast these guys can get rockslide and earthquake now...

edit: I should also add my two favorite normal types, Exploud and Girafarig. Girafarig can be pretty useful though because of its ability to baton pass. The main problems with it is so-so stats and... its movepool is so huge, it's hard to choose 4 attacks! Me being the bashy smash type, I like using Girafarig as a stand-along special sweeper... calm mind, thunderbolt, psychic, and crunch. But once Girafarig uses agility or something, it becomes predictable.

Then there's Exploud. Soundproof is nice and all, but besides that, nothing extraordinary. It can mix sweep pretty well and has high hp. But, even though it can use both special and physical attacks easily, the ev limit makes it difficult. And, compared to other physical sweeping normal types like Ursaring, Zangoose, Snorlax, and the monster Slaking, Exploud falls short. Not to mention its defenses leave something to be desired. So, on its own, Exploud is a good Pokemon, but it's outclassed by all the other many many normal types.
 
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Eszett

one love
I agree with you on Girafarig; the designers could bequeath it so much potential with that awesome movepool but they decided to mellow its stats, which only has kept it shaded in obscurity.

As for myself, Sneasel and Sandslash deserve more than they got. Thankfully they're redeeming Sneasel; I can only hope this will turn out for the better and they appropriate his stats to support a moveset more oriented towards his type alignment. As for Sandslash...they could easily have improved him. 55 Special Defence and 65 Speed is rather pitiful.
 
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Michiko

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Flareon - a very cool pokemon and I adore it. The worst part of him is a s.hitty movepool.

Absol - terrible. its a cool-looking pokemon, in the anime has great roles and personality, but in the game has terrible stats. Every Cyndaquil will kill my Absol without special troubles.

Shuckle - it has good defence and spec. defence, but his HP sucks. Speed is horrible too. Probably it is the slowest pokemon in the game.

Delcatty - looks sweet but starts are low.
 

Naraku_Diabolos

DNC20/NIN10
Shuckle is supposed to tank... :mad: It's supposed to wear out the foe by Wrap, Toxic and Sandstorm. If it is inflicted with damage, you can use Rest. What's so hard with that? Get the Pokemon Stadium 2 Player's Guide and look. I always use the Stadium 2, Colosseum or XD Player's Guide to look for good movesets. Damn people, I always failed at beating Shuckle in Stadium 2 because of that moveset.

Ivee, I use that moveset as well for Girafarig. I throw Stomp in there sometimes for making the foe flinch at times.

Flareon, and you can use the Stadium 2 and XD guide to look for movesets. Even though Quick Attack has a weak basic attack strength, Flareon has high Attack. I would also keep Take Down from Eevee and I would equip it with Shadow Ball.
 
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