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The Curtain Rises! The Masters Tournament!! (1204)
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DankOverlord
Komodo Dragons Rule!
If only they had just written Tobias in Alain's place then no one would've complained to see him creamed
Shadao
Aim to be a Pokémon Master
Steven's track is much lower than Cynthia. And he actually hasn't won any battle thanks to Lysandre.
As for Cynthia to go all out, you need to make the Champion bleed first before you can believably defeat them. Iris is in the Master 8 for a reason. She didn't climb up there just by sleeping in.
GarchompTheAssassin
Water starter fan
I'm a big fan of Cynthia's but is there actually any evidence of this in the anime? I got the impression that Steven is more or less just as formidable (they're both literally one rank apart), it's just that he's appeared way less
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Shadao
Aim to be a Pokémon Master
In that Cynthia was shown to defend her title several times, and effortlessly crush her opponents. To date, she hasn't been pushed to the brink, yet.
You're not making any sense at this point.
One side you're hyping up Cynthia to be just as invincible as Leon and on the other side, you're expecting Iris to force her to go all out. The same champion who lost against Dragonite and Dracovish(A pokemon that never battled).
Maybe start by keeping your argument consistent lol.
Cynthia doesn't necessarily have a "Superior record". Just because we don't see Steven fight against his E4 or challengers, we can't assume this. He's just as formidable as she is. The only difference is that she's more established due to her long-standing relationship with the MC.
Xeogran
Marshadow Fan
Impossible, they wouldn't do Legendaries dirty like this, since they're often game-sellers. Tobias isn't a character who can be shown losing, to be honest. That's why they aren't bringing him back.
Ragnarok4
2024
Almighty Zard
He has returned.
there is one question I have from this episode.
why is Lance so angry?
why is Lance so angry?
To be fair, Alain is not the MC.
While Ash vs Drasna was a bit like this, I think we can expect a much better Ash vs Steven.
Mythical-Moonlight
I just ran, I ran all Night and Day ~
I go to sleep for a few hours and you guys are ALREADY AT 13 PAGES???!!
Must've been a Fun Episode
Must've been a Fun Episode
Shadao
Aim to be a Pokémon Master
Did you not pay attention to what I said? If you want Ash to believably beat Leon... Leon has to be pushed to the brink by either Lance or Diantha. The same thing can be said about Cynthia. Pushing undefeatable champions to the brink helps set up their defeat in the future. Iris pushing Cynthia to go all out means that yes, it's possible to beat her. Similarly, Leon going all out in the second match means that Leon isn't as invincible as people think.
Leon and Cynthia are the biggest name because they are the most well-known and have the best track record shown.
And please, stop pretending that Iris is weak. That girl is there in the Master 8 for a reason.
DankOverlord
Komodo Dragons Rule!
Not accurate because Greninja had to use two moves to kill off Sceptile
Red Probably made fun of him after his loss to Leon and then vacated the Champion Title(Making Lance the new Champion by Default) in hopes of Making Lance's introduction at the very least, sound a little better.
Almighty Zard
He has returned.
i mean did his expression change at all during this cause i don't think it did.