Seems like this post killed this thread, let me try to revive it:
Is anybody going to watch Titans s3 now that it's coming to Netflix? I'm willing to give it a shot.
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Haven't watched '
The SS' yet.
The fact that it's getting quite a lot of positive reviews is nice. From what
@Dragalge is saying, well... it really just makes you wonder why the heck WB didn't let Ayer do his own thing (I think I know why though).
Obviously Gunn had the reputation to do whatever he wanted (he has established himself in the genre with a very similar franchise (GotG). He had creative liberty and in comparison, Ayer obviously did not. Sure, from the looks of things in SS - Ayer probably wanted to do TOO much in a movie where most people went in solely on the basis that it had a very attractive and sassy Harley Quinn in the trailer and they knew Will Smith. Call me weak or sexist, but sparkly hotpants are a weakness (and I'll be damned if WB isn't fully aware of this!) and I'm a 90's kid so when I see the Fresh Prince it's basically hook, line and stinker..
I get that Snyder had copious amounts of story and footage. Justice League was supposed to be WB's Avengers. Those are your S and A-tier heroes in a team-up movie! It's reasonable that you want to give all of them screentime and maybe even an arc and expect your audiences to be along for the ride even if it takes 3 hours to do so, because the odds were high they were attached to the characters because MoS and BvS. But then the execs showed they simply don't know their material and tell a director with a vision to cut it up.
However, imagine going to see Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.1 - a movie where I knew 0 of the characters and only knew Chris Pratt as an actor and had seen Zoe Saldana as that Na'vi from Avatar, so basically less of a starting point as I had for SS- and it having even more characters, more (sub-)plotlines, tangents that literally led nowhere (pun intended) and being 3 or more hours long.
Yeah, if I were a movie executive I'd also be scratching my head.. and tell the director to go for the bare minimum. For Ayer that probably ended up meaning cutting out any real plotbeats he might've wanted and half of what he might've intended with most subplots - which in turn resulted in a very disfunctional movie with barely any well-established characters. I mean if you wamt to use Batman and Joker just do a BATMAN MOVIE!!! Instead he should've been cutting out some characters and subplots entirely, which would've streamlined the movie by a lot. He could've even done this by culling a lot more of his roster through onscreen deaths then he did. I mean how many ended up dieing in SS? Maybe two???
Compared to GotG which at its core was a very straightforward movie: 'StarLord -and his newfound group of unlikely allies- needs to keep a special orb away from the bad people'. To this day I am still unable tell you the ordeal of SS in a single, easy to understand sentence and I've seen the movie 3 or 4 times. Best I can come up with is 'Convicted villains are coerced into doing government dirty work and things don't go as planned'. But that just covers the basic idea and not the plot and just shows how irrelevant some subplots were..
Tl;dr:
1. Glad TSS is better then SS. I might watch it if it ends up on Netflix.
2. I support Snyder (JL has multiple S/A-tier characters), but don't see the point in an Ayer-cut (1 A-tier MC, surrounded by C or D-tier schmucks, horrid Batman+Joker-tangent unincluded)..
3. WB are twats and will forever be making more flops then hits unless they are willing to bother listening to someone who's in touch with the source material.
4. Consider myself more of an MCU-fan, but really liked Nolan's work, Aquaman and Joker. The DCEU as a whole is just objectively a trainwreck though. That's not coming from a MarvelStan, I've become increasingly vocal about BlackWidow and can see Eternals flopping hard, as not even Angelina will be able to carry that one.. Edit: Eternals didn't really flop, but didn't soar either. Critics canned it as soon as they could and most jumped on that bandwagon, but audiences generally liked it (78%).
) but refuse to do Batman. It's clear a rights issue or something was stopping them earlier on but we got Superman now, a Bruce did appear in the multiverse, it clearly ended whatever it was. I wanna see Bruce Wayne kicking ass and tossing villains into the slammer, not shooting his villains yet the one villain that actually deserves it(Joker) is somehow STILL alive????
