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The EU Referendum

Class Zero

We have arrived.
Yeah, like Farrage saying this is our Independence Day and Trump saying we took our country back... Unfortunately many of the intellectually challenged voters genuinely believed we'd lost our democracy and freedom to the EU, we've always been our own country.

Like, I respect those that voted for Leave due to genuine concerns, but those that voted out of casual racism or an irrational fear of the EU taking our freedom really show the shortcomings of democracy.
 

chicorita3

Well-Known Member
The Boris cometh. (Welp.)

Yeah I voted remain... Honestly, I'm not sure whether any other EU countries will see this as a trigger to leave. At least, not until say 5-10 years down the line when they can see for sure the effects it has had on our country. Scotland will definitely have another referendum after this, I feel, not so sure on Northern Ireland but it's definitely a possibility. So far it's not looking good, but early days I guess...

The effects of this decision have started very rapidly in the UK and other countries.
 

Sonic Boom

@JohanSSB4 Twitter
https://twitter.com/GameofThrowIns/status/746326764570427392

People legitimately voted to Leave out of defiance and trolling. Amazing.

https://twitter.com/GameofThrowIns/status/746326764570427392

"I'm pleased. Don't think it'll effect us cause we're elderly. For the young people I'm not sure."


And now Nigel Farage admitted that the 350 million pound figure he used for the NHS was an absolute lie just hours after the final votes.

https://youtu.be/B0ktojE6WQA

Potential new prime minister, everybody.
 

Recon

11001101011101010100
Like I said, the UK can take care of itself, it has the means to do that. And that includes economy. UK's economy will surely suffer a bit because, let's face it, you 're leaving a large cycle of countries that influenced your economy more or less and took it to new heights - but if you sit down and take into account what UK has and its income from those, yes, all factors will suffer a bit. In other words, the economy there won't be as strong as it was when part of the EU, but at least it will be survivable. People just need to be patient.

Regarding gaming, I honestly don't know how it will be affected when it comes to release dates obviously. I'm still waiting for a PR from Nintendo UK's office or Nintendo in general, since their stock fell 8% following the announcement of the referendum's outcome. But since, like a user above said, UK is still part of Europe geographically, there's still a chance the UK will get their games on time, but that's just me.

Edit: Ash-Greninja'd.

I don't think it'll affect release dates, but I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo UK decided to relocate to an EU country. Their games can then reach the EU market easier and faster as a result.
 

EspNeon

Badge Collector
I voted remain. I personally thought we were better in the EU in terms of trade, security, employment and basic human rights. Unfortunately, the general vote for my town was leave too. My biggest fear is that too many people voted with malice, simply to stop immigrants from entering the UK and they are unaware of the social and economic effects of leaving the EU, leaving the rest of society to rebuild because a vote was biased through hatred.
 

The Admiral

the star of the masquerade
The Brexit movement was built on fascism and lies. People are waking up and going "we didn't believe it would actually happen", so, as we probably expected, it was being propped up by morons.

It's telling that the only person I know on the internet who supports Brexit is someone who (I have no idea where they live) supports Donald Trump and comes off as super GamerGate-y. So, there you go, that's who the serious Brexit people are -- idiots, but in a different way. The pound is ****ing tanking, off the back of a racist liar because some anti-intellectual dinguses were ~sick of experts~ and so didn't want to do the research.
 
I don't know how the public reaction anywhere else was, but in my school, the reaction was mostly outrage. Teachers literally let us off from some work to discuss it and how it makes us feel, my Psych teacher threw his Union Jack in a bin, and my English Teacher had to bite her tongue several times to prevent herself from swearing. Both of them are usually cool and collected individuals, but the fact that our lives have probably been ruined-by people who will be a alive for twenty years tops, really-has driven them to the point of outright frustation.

Also, IDK if anyone else knew this, but Scottish First Minister Nichola Sturgeon has announced she's going for another Independence Referendum: and even staunch 'no' voters last time around have quickly changed their tune.

Doesn't help Scotland and Northern Ireland practically have to suffer from England and Wales-frankly poor-decisions.
 

I-am-the-peel

Justice Forever
I went to vote with my sister yesterday to remain; today we were both horrified at the news we woke up to.

The worst part is knowing that 75% of the young population voted to remain, and that the majority of those who voted to leave were over 55. Its frustrating that it will be the current generation who must live with a decision made by the elderly who won't have to live with the decision for as long.

The pound has suffered a massive drop in value, the American Stock Exchange has gone down, bank companies are calling to move their staff abroad and the Prime Minister has resigned. With the pound in decline of value, we face inflation. With the loss of jobs, we also face recession.

Scotland are pushing for a second Independence Referendum, Northern Ireland are pushing for independence and Sadiq Khan (the mayor of London) has announced his desires to turn London into a European city-state separate from the UK. Because of this referendum, we may be seeing the end of this so-called United Kingdom.

If Scotland does become independent, I will be moving there. I do not want to live under a government run by Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, who will inevitably raise further cuts in welfare and benefits, make progress in privatising the NHS and privatise schools.

The Labour Party are trying to blame the British decision to leave the EU - made by the people - on Jeremy Corbyn, their leader, because they don't like him. If he is booted out, I won't be voting Labour again.

The reactions I've had from the majority of my friends are ones of horror. Truly, this is a sad day in British politics.
 

Rezzo

Occasionally
The reaction from certain politicians like Boris Johnson have been along the lines of "don't worry, we will ****y to] secure deals such as freedom of movement and economic trading", which, despite the crazy amount of scaremongering and lying that has followed the entire campaign, is yet another promise that cannot be held as truth. David Cameron's resignation will cement him as one of the worst Prime Ministers that the UK has ever had.

I honestly worry for this country. So many privileges that we gain as being EU citizens will just get up and disappear. Quite a lot of our doctors and nurses are EU citizens, who'll have to bother getting work permits to work for us, which is likely going to put them off of working for the NHS. The NHS is already hanging on thin rope as it is. In fact, aside from NHS employees, other EU citizens who do high professional work in this country are going to be in the same situation. And the same goes the other way around; people from the UK who work abroad in EU countries will have to gain work permits.

Also as an interesting tidbit, 4% of people living in Gibraltar voted "leave". People living in Gibraltar have always had trouble accessing mainland Spain, and now that the UK is leaving the EU, those problems will likely be amplified again. I'd love to know what those 4% were actually thinking

e: the censored part of my post is an open paranthesis followed by the letters 't' and 'r', not sure why it's being censored.
 

Theo-92

Well-Known Member
We knew this would happen if the outcome was leave. We have to accept what has happened and move forward, for better or for worse.

I voted leave, sue me, as I thought it was the best thing to for my country, for my generation and for the generations to come.
 

Sprinter1988

Well-Known Member
There seems to be a lot of people going around asking "Why has this happened?" as if it was such a huge surprise. The simple fact is that there have been a lot of heads buried in the sand in recent years and the simple fact is that across the UK, and Europe as a whole, there are a hell of a lot of people who genuinely feel that there is something fundamentally wrong with the EU. Yes, in many cases this was born out of fear, but in many others there were legitimate concerns being raised that many in the EU did not want to address.

For years now many have felt that the modus operandi has been that should anyone raise a concern over immigration they will simply be branded a racist and summarily ignored. Similar situations were felt when people raised concerns that the EU helped big business to no end while continuous EU regulations strangled smaller businesses out of existence.

The continued rise in popularity of Eurosceptic parties across Europe, from UKIP in the UK, the National Front in France, The People's Party in Denmark and Five Star Movement in Italy, particularly during the European Parliament Elections of 2014 only further emphasised how much people were turning against the EU and should have been a stark message that people wanted the EU to change and soon.

Simply put, many people were very angry for a very long time. Had people felt that their concerns were genuinely heard and addressed the referendum may have gone differently, but many people felt like they have been ignored and took the chance to send a message that they felt needed sending.

It didn't help matters that many felt that the EU was undemocratic - every year the UK parliament had to pass multiple statutes handed down to them from the EU, slowly overriding British Common Law in favour of laws dictated by people in the EU - and these were happening in all areas, not just trade.

Which brings up another point - the last time the UK got a referendum on the EU was in 1975. Back then there was no actual EU and the referendum was actually to join the European Communities, which is something quite different. The European Communities (EC) was made up of three international organisations - The European Coal and Steel Community (ECSE), The European Economic Community (EEC) and the European Atomic Energy Community (EAEC).

The ECSE was to make a common market for coal and steel, with the intention of neutralising competition over these natural resources amongst member states.
The EAEC was to make a specialist market which would supply nuclear power to the member states of the EC
The EEC was to provide a common market and customs union which would make trading other things easier.

At the time of Britain's joining the EC, the other countries involved were Belgium, France, Italy, West Germany, Luxembourg and the Netherlands, with Denmark joining at pretty much the same time. Greece then joined in 1981 and Spain and Portugal joined in 1986, and for the most part things were fine.

Then the EC became the EU and things began to change. Free movement of people was began to become a thing and largely people were happy with it. Then other countries, now from Eastern Europe began joining up and people began to go "Um, I don't remember voting for this!" Passport controls (and any kind of control) was abolished between borders and the UK quickly opted out of that one, and numerous other things since.

The issue of border controls (or lack thereof) has only become a worse issue in recent years in the wake of the threat of terrorism and have been driven home by the ongoing migration crisis and the recent terror attacks in Paris.

In short, the EU became something vastly different to what people thought they were voting for in 1975. Talk of a United States of Europe certainly did not help matters there!

Add in economic downturn, especially Greek Government Debt and you have a recipe that was ripe for disaster.

As Euro-scepticism has risen there have been more and more calls for the rejection of the EU and implementing commonwealth free trade agreement with other members of the Commonwealth of Nations (such as New Zealand, Canada, Australia, India, Malaysia, Kenya, South Africa and the Bahamas) - the thinking here is that the UK already shares the these countries a lot of shared values, which are laid out the the Charter of the Commonwealth - it is worth noting that many of these countries, such as Malaysia, actually paid absolutely no export duties when trading with the UK before the UK became more Europe-oriented. New Zealand also once did huge amounts of trade with the UK - at one point over 65% of New Zealand's exported products were sent to the UK, though again this ended once the UK began focusing more on Europe.

Anyway, to sum up - I think that this could have been avoided had there been more listening on both sides, but this didn't happen, so here we are. Maybe if the Democracy in Europe Movement 2025 had come about sooner and had gained more traction, things would be different, but it came too late.

Will others follow the UK? Possibly.
Will the UK be ok? I think so, but possibly Scotland-less.
How do I feel? Slightly optimistic.
 
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We knew this would happen if the outcome was leave. We have to accept what has happened and move forward, for better or for worse.

Well, England does, but I don't see the point of dragging Scotland and Ireland-which keep in mind, both had a majority 'remain' vote-with the sinking ship.
 
Texas, once again, wants to copy other places' bad ideas.

F****ng damn it, Texas might as well go to Sam Houston's burial ground and just spit on it.

I feel really bad for those sane Texans who have to deal with their government's terrible ideas and their state's horrifying stereotypes :/

People really shouldn't be taking the UK's example, we've screwed our own currency and that of others: and we've made a world where Boris Johnson can realistically be Prime Minister.
 

Hero of Truth

Lillie Fan
What sealed Brexit's victory is I think Queen Elizabeth's clear stance on the matter: Brexit. And it's said that the people of the UK follow the queen's orders or something like that.

And on the fact that most of those who voted to Leave are elderly, which caused the young people to grow with frustration, I will leave this here... ''Elders know better. Because they know how things work much better than you kids.'' Unless they are mentally ill or something, of course, but I doubt the majority that voted are like that.

This is the wisest decision UK took in years. Someone needs to ruin Germany's Fourth Reich. UK made the start. Now others will follow if we're lucky. This move just shows how much of a failure the EU currently is, and people have already started feeling and realizing this. If Europe is to move forward, the current EU needs to be dismantled and start anew, with all new people with visions close to the ones the original founders of the EU had. I'm sorry to break it to you all, but sadly, it's the truth. You just have to accept it and not make things difficult for the others.

Edit: Ash-Greninja'd.
 
What sealed Brexit's victory is I think Queen Elizabeth's clear stance on the matter: Brexit. And it's said that the people of the UK follow the queen's orders or something like that.

Lizzie has the political influence of a donkey's rear end in parts of the country, and it's irresponsible for her to sway her public-she's there for us, not vice-versa.

And on the fact that most of those who voted to Leave are elderly, which caused the young people to grow with frustration, I will leave this here... ''Elders know better. Because they know how things work much better than you kids.'' Unless they are mentally ill or something, of course, but I doubt the majority that voted are like that.

You mean the elders who voted out of blatant racism? Who won't have to live with the consequences? The same ones who still throw around the n word, gay, etc as insults? Elders don't always know best. Especially because they are less liberal and more set in an old worldview.

This is the wisest decision UK took in years.

Gay Marriage? You know, something that had absolutely no downsides and isn't threatining to wreck the economy?

If Europe is to move forward, the current EU needs to be dismantled and start anew, with all new people with visions close to the ones the original founders of the EU had. I'm sorry to break it to you all, but sadly, it's the truth. You just have to accept it and not make things difficult for the others.

A mirror won't be fixed if you just try to glue the shards together. People are leaving the EU out of stupid, misinformed pride, not intellectual decision. The leave vote has screwed up other's economy, so things are already difficullt.
 

Lion Demon

Fairy Type Champion
Statistically, most of the people that voted leave are the Elderly, Working Class and living in rural areas. It seems as though they refuse to assimilate to multiculturalism and cultural diversity (though I don't want to paint everyone in that category with the same brush). Point being, Brexit has gotten us inot another recession and we have to face the reality of this change.
 

Theo-92

Well-Known Member
Well, England does, but I don't see the point of dragging Scotland and Ireland-which keep in mind, both had a majority 'remain' vote-with the sinking ship.

We haven't 'dragged' Scotland and Ireland with us, we voted as Britain not seperate countries.

sorry I said country, I was rather worked up, just like we all are right now.
 
We haven't 'dragged' Scotland and Ireland with us, we voted as Britain not seperate countries.

sorry I said country, I was rather worked up, just like we all are right now.

Scotland and Ireland both voted to stay. We shouldn't have to follow England, the UK is meant yo be a beautiful union, not England treating Scotland, Ireland and Wales as drag alongs.
 
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