The Future of the World Championships

[cricketlaxwolvesbandy]

Yes, the more I think about it the more likely it is in my opinion. Diantha was not all that and if Iris can become the champion then certainly Alain can too. Even-though I would prefer Ash to defeat historically known champions like Steven etc, I would certainly love Ash to get his payback against Alain, if he is a champion then even better.

And if Greninja beats Champion level MCX it proves itself as it was intended to be: one of the strongest Pokemon ever.
Ash’s Greninja is not one of the strongest Pokemon ever right now

 

[Deleted member 384931]

That is true, but not using his reserves is actually hurting the returning characters... i mean, imagine cynthia's legendary garchomp, lost to a dragonite that evolved at the start of this season? Don't get me wrong i love this adorable dragonite he has and how powerful it is, but it would be more logical if sceptile, infernape or charizard fought garchomp. I'm completly fine with gengar or dracovish beating a pokemon like milotic or roserade if she were to use one, but her ace? i wouldn't want that personally
There has to be a good balance between letting his new pokemon shine, and letting older characters lose gracefully to this ash... but they wasted too much pwc ranking off screen, and it's kinda to late to organically use reserves, but im not losing hope just yet, they can still pull it off

I agree with you.

Seriously? His current Pokémon are getting so little attention, yet you want Satoshi to use the Reserves? In my opinion, his use of Reserves will be disrespectful to the Pokémon he already owns.

Eh, JN doesn't really care that much about his current pokemon anyway, how sad that sounds.

 

[Dragonsoldier77]

One major problem with writing pertaining to the PWC is that it has become very repetitive, predictable and stale. Only counting the on-screen PWC content so far, it has boiled down to one single formula with slight deviations here and there:

- Lot of unnecessary drama and fake tension to 'up the stakes' artificially.
- Ash being forcefully made an 'underdog' (even against trainers whom he should objectively be superior to at this point), being frustrated, and often on the losing end before somehow clutching (sometimes through skill, sometimes through DEM / plot armor).
- Opponents having somewhat predictable battle styles.
- Matches that always come down to the wire with a final 1v1 hurrah and the 'ace' dominating with minor impact from other team members.

Can we have Ash on an equal footing (or even superior) to his opponent for once? If they insist on "Ash becoming unbeatable", actually show that happen instead of making Ash feel helpless before pulling a magical victory. He's supposed to be one of the Top 100 trainers in the world, for Arceus' sake, there's no need for 'underdog' anymore. He stopped being an underdog back in DP (BW is non-canon, fight me) and at that point, he entered the 'emerging young star' phase.

Have a match where he calmly rotates his Pokemon and strategy, or even outright sweeps (not necessarily with just 1 Pokemon and definitely not through pure power or brute force alone). The matches against Nando and Conway were some of the best non-main battles in the anime history because of the lack of the above factors. Ash wasn't made helpless and an inactive idiot for the sake of drama, but rather because his opponents strategy literally caught him (and the audience) off-guard. And even so, he quickly adapted instead of standing around gritting his teeth.

Yeah, it‘s really disappointing that the last real back and forth match we had wad leon v lance. I thought this kind of battle would be the norm because ash is supposed to be ‘strong’ now. But no, it’s mostly cheap tension by making ash the underdog every match.

 

[Swift4Sweeper]

Do people honestly think the battles would be more entertaining if Ash was sweeping each of his Ultra Class battles? I feel people would be complaining then that Volkner and Bea were disrespected by doing that. 3-2 wins have been the series norm for Ash for nearly 1200 episodes, whether it be a Gym Battle or a League Match or the WCS. The “cheap tension” by making Ash the underdog has been present in the entire series - Journeys is just continuing what every past generation has done for 20+ years (not that I’m a super big fan of it personally, but I find it strange that people are complaining about now).

 

[thedarkdragon11]

Korrina actually contributed to Ash's story so she gets a pass.
But yeah I like Volkner but he didn't need to come back. Not when there are Sinnoh characters Ash battled and lost against(Palmer and Tobias) or y'know the Elite Four? If Ash is going to beat Cynthia(Which is a pretty freaking high possibility!) then he needs to beat at least one of her Elite Four to make that believable. If he uses his Journeys team against her, I have to call Tauros on that. No way in heck any of them would last against her lmao He needs Charizard, Sceptile, Infernape and Pikachu along with Snorlax and Krookodile to round things out

Ash battled Drake and lost to him too, Drake's appearing but will Ash get to battle him? Probably not but here's hoping he does and it's not just to hype up Steven(I don't really care for a potential face off cause Ash barely interacted with the guy! Cynthia, Lance and Diantha are the ones that he should fight and I don't even like Diantha!) I hope they let Ash battle Drake and let Sirfetch be the star player, a knight slaying Dragons!

She did contribute, but why her and not a non-leftover? They could've just used her for that Lucarionite search episode...

I agree with that having those who beat him instead of leftover... Flint could've been the one who makes sense more than Volkner... I also agree that Ash has to prove himself being capable of beating an E4 before taking on the Champions themselves... There's a reason why people considers Alain as a powerful trainer even though XY Ash almost beat him and that Ash can't get the respect he deserves, because the former defeated an E4 and swept lesser trainers while the latter have yet to beat one and Pikachu lost against a Grapploct of a FB tier trainer (some even consider Bea just a mere GL tier)...

I actually doubt old-aged trainers joining WCS... Most trainers we see are young and middle-aged ones...

Can we have Ash on an equal footing (or even superior) to his opponent for once? If they insist on "Ash becoming unbeatable", actually show that happen instead of making Ash feel helpless before pulling a magical victory. He's supposed to be one of the Top 100 trainers in the world, for Arceus' sake, there's no need for 'underdog' anymore. He stopped being an underdog back in DP (BW is non-canon, fight me) and at that point, he entered the 'emerging young star' phase.

I agree, they're making this series like Rocky in reverse... I would like to see Ash sweep against a decent trainer at least once using Gengar and Sirfetch'd... Throw in the likes of Milo...

Who might this next challenger be?

I'm sure it's another leftover: Lt. Surge...

I would like to see Ash face 1 elite four member before entering the master class. Flint or Drake would be a good candidate for that. Also, I could imagine Alain being the champion of Kalos and Ash facing him in the master class.

Drake, Malva, Kanto and Sinnoh E4 makes the most sense... It's crazy they're throwing in leftovers instead and have Ash struggle against them...

I really hope he uses his reserves! That would be a missed oppertunity if he doesn't! Like one reserves per region I can live with.
Charizard for Kanto
Bayleef for Jotho
Sceptile for Hoenn
Infernape for Sinnoh
Idk who for Unova
Greninja for Kalos
Incineroar for Alola

Would like to see Primeape return... Would also be good if Ash evolves some of his mons... If Rowlet would let go of that damn Everstone, it's only a matter of a battle or even a sparring for it to evolve...

Seriously? His current Pokémon are getting so little attention, yet you want Satoshi to use the Reserves? In my opinion, his use of Reserves will be disrespectful to the Pokémon he already owns.

Not much of a big deal... His current mons aren't getting decent attention anyway, so why not make the most out of it? A single WCS battle or two with reserves won't hurt... Even leftover trainers are being used instead of current gen trainers...

That is true, but not using his reserves is actually hurting the returning characters... i mean, imagine cynthia's legendary garchomp, lost to a dragonite that evolved at the start of this season? Don't get me wrong i love this adorable dragonite he has and how powerful it is, but it would be more logical if sceptile, infernape or charizard fought garchomp. I'm completly fine with gengar or dracovish beating a pokemon like milotic or roserade if she were to use one, but her ace? i wouldn't want that personally
There has to be a good balance between letting his new pokemon shine, and letting older characters lose gracefully to this ash... but they wasted too much pwc ranking off screen, and it's kinda to late to organically use reserves, but im not losing hope just yet, they can still pull it off

Exactly this... Well, Ash can still battle those who are ranked below him, they have yet to schedule him against them...

Do people honestly think the battles would be more entertaining if Ash was sweeping each of his Ultra Class battles? I feel people would be complaining then that Volkner and Bea were disrespected by doing that. 3-2 wins have been the series norm for Ash for nearly 1200 episodes, whether it be a Gym Battle or a League Match or the WCS. The “cheap tension” by making Ash the underdog has been present in the entire series - Journeys is just continuing what every past generation has done for 20+ years (not that I’m a super big fan of it personally, but I find it strange that people are complaining about now).

No one will complain if Ash sweeps a leftover in Volkner... With Bea, it's just that the mon choices are odd...

 

[Deleted member 384931]

I just want that the battles in the Master Class are worth it and do not make Satoshis opponents weak, while also make Satoshis win realistic

 

[Dragonsoldier77]

I just want that the battles in the Master Class are worth it and do not make Satoshis opponents weak, while also make Satoshis win realistic

They won’t. They’ll make ash look super weak before having him ‘miraculously’ win every time.

 

[Panky..]

Do people honestly think the battles would be more entertaining if Ash was sweeping each of his Ultra Class battles? I feel people would be complaining then that Volkner and Bea were disrespected by doing that. 3-2 wins have been the series norm for Ash for nearly 1200 episodes, whether it be a Gym Battle or a League Match or the WCS. The “cheap tension” by making Ash the underdog has been present in the entire series - Journeys is just continuing what every past generation has done for 20+ years (not that I’m a super big fan of it personally, but I find it strange that people are complaining about now).

Using a whataboutism about the past 1000 episodes won't work in your favor. The writers are the one insisting that "Ash is going to become unbeatable", yet the kind of writing they prefer doesn't even imply that. If Ash were to really become that, they'd show him as more competent on his own merit instead of inducing this lame sense of fake tension and making Ash the underdog every single time. I never implied that he has to be a Gary Stu type of person who can make no mistake (hence I had provided examples).

Ash has beaten both Volkner and tied with Bea in the past, he's more or less at their skill level (or even above), there's no reason for him to be an underdog to either of them in a lame and underhanded manner. And like I mentioned, there's no room for being "underdog" anywhere in the Hyper Class until Ash gets to M8.

On a different note, another reason why the PWC has been stagnant is because the types of Pokemon and opponent specialization have been repetitive. Most of the opponents that Ash has faced (or might face in the future) boil down to one of three: Electric, Fighting and Dragon. There's no unpredictability factor to what Pokemon Ash's opponents will pull up. The battles don't feel dynamic.

 

[Deleted member 384931]

I like the Sabrina theory, but her silhouette is different. JN018 her design is totally different.

Maybe Jasmine? Idk. We have been discussing this over almost six months and we arent one step closer. Is it Sabrina? Nessa? Jasmine? Lucy?

 

[LucasMV]

That is true, but not using his reserves is actually hurting the returning characters... i mean, imagine cynthia's legendary garchomp, lost to a dragonite that evolved at the start of this season? Don't get me wrong i love this adorable dragonite he has and how powerful it is, but it would be more logical if sceptile, infernape or charizard fought garchomp. I'm completly fine with gengar or dracovish beating a pokemon like milotic or roserade if she were to use one, but her ace? i wouldn't want that personally
There has to be a good balance between letting his new pokemon shine, and letting older characters lose gracefully to this ash... but they wasted too much pwc ranking off screen, and it's kinda to late to organically use reserves, but im not losing hope just yet, they can still pull it off

This 100%. I've been waiting for Ash to face Cynthia and others at her level since the DP days, so I'm hyped for that. But if Ash wins against her just using a recently born Lucario, a recently evolved Dragonite and Sirfetch'd, a recently restored Dracovish and a Gengar with history but that lost most of his fights, it would make it feel forced and empty for me.
I'm fine with most of the team being JN's with only one ace reserve mixed in to take out her ace Garchomp. Otherwise the only pokemon that should be able to do it would be Pikachu, but he's at a terrible type disadvantage on this particular case.

I've been saying this from the start and I'll say it again, whether Ash uses reserves for the big fights or not is what'll make or break the PWC. If he does use some of his past aces for the last few battles, like using Charizard, Sceptile or Infernape, against the likes of Cynthia, then it'll feel believable when he defeats them and the whole series will come full circle in a beyond satisfying way.

If Ash never uses reserves and climbs his way to the final match with Leon defeating Champions with his JN's team, while we'll probably get cool fights and I'll still enjoy them, deep down it will feel empty. It will just not be the same, knowing that it could've been a lot better.

 

[Deleted member 384931]

It will feel hollow if Satoshi doesn't use his reserves in the Master 8

 

[Dragonsoldier77]

They should’ve made the super class way longer and had old gym leaders/characters there, and that’s when his JN should’ve gotten their development.

Ultra class should’ve been where he starts to put in some of his reserves into rotation.

While master class should’ve been the flood doors opening and all of his pokemon including the big guns are on the table.

 

[Pokegirl Fan~]

Just give me Lillie as one of the hyper class silhouettes. Watching serebii burn to the ground will also be fun to watch if it ever happened.

 

[Yuugis Black Magician]

My guess is that Tomioka and Tomiyasu are saving the use of all three special mechanics for the final battle with Dande. I can easily imagine Dande telling the PWC committee "Let us use all three!"

 

[Torpoleon]

I really hope Ash battles Cynthia using a team of Pikachu, Charizard, Sceptile, Infernape, Greninja & Lucario. Let Infernape take down Garchomp and hopefully another one of Cynthia's Pokemon. Pikachu should be the fall guy.

 

[Yuugis Black Magician]

Goukazaru defeating Mega Gaburias would be awesome. Tomiyasu could maybe even get us a Mega Goukazaru? That'd be nice.

 

[LucasMV]

I really hope Ash battles Cynthia using a team of Pikachu, Charizard, Sceptile, Infernape, Greninja & Lucario. Let Infernape take down Garchomp and hopefully another one of Cynthia's Pokemon. Pikachu should be the fall guy.

I'd love to see something like that happen, but I'd settle with Ash using Infernape alongside his JN's team (minus Dracovish/Sirfetch'd).
Imagine Infernape activating Blaze and defeating Cynthia's (Mega?) Garchomp with a fire type Z-Move. Now, something like that would be epic.

 

[DayQuil95]

Goukazaru defeating Mega Gaburias would be awesome. Tomiyasu could maybe even get us a Mega Goukazaru? That'd be nice.

Having Infernape beating a Mega Garchomp would be the biggest respect possible for the monkey, and I'm all up for it.

 

[cricketlaxwolvesbandy]

I really hope Ash battles Cynthia using a team of Pikachu, Charizard, Sceptile, Infernape, Greninja & Lucario. Let Infernape take down Garchomp and hopefully another one of Cynthia's Pokemon. Pikachu should be the fall guy.

Greninja should take down Garchomp as it needs to prove itself more than Infernape.
Infernapes story is done, Greninja’s isn’t.

 

[Deleted member 384931]

Having Infernape beating a Mega Garchomp would be the biggest respect possible for the monkey, and I'm all up for it.

IF.

I just hope that the last 3 Hyperclass opponents :
-arent all from Kanto or Galar or a combo. Give us Hoenn!
-arent all Electric, Dragon and Fighting specialists.

Knowing JN this is too much to ask