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The Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual Alliance Club

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Breeder KJ

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Hello everyone! =)
I'd like to join. I'm gay. It's something that I have finally come to terms with, and that feels good. Pretty much everyone knows (and evidently it's obvious), and so far I haven't gotten any negative reactions coming out to people. My mom was upset for about a minute, but then she was totally supportive. I'm not sure she completely understands everything yet, but bless her, she's trying.

My only main concerns are telling my father, and whether the pastor at my church will find out. My father is homophobic, and our relationship is rocky as it is. I really don't know how he will react. He takes some things so well, and others just totally set him off.

I've never heard my pastor speak on this subject, but he is very conservative in his views and I'm 99.99% sure that he thinks it's wrong. My church is American Baptist, btw. It's much more liberal than the Southern Baptist church, but homosexuality is still generally disapproved of. I don't know what he will say or do if he finds out. I totally want to become an Episcopalian or something when I get older, though. I want a church that will accept me for who I am.

I'm the grandson of a Baptist Minister and one thing you should understand about all churches is that just because one church in that denomination says it's wrong doesn't mean all of them will.

I suggest going to different churches and just listening to their sermons for a while. You don't have to join a church to listen to them preach >.< I found that while most Methodists are accepting of us gays, there are several conservative versions of that denomination that will make you feel uncomfortable. Ex: When I came out to my first Methodist church. they treated me with kid gloves. saying that more people like me needed to be preached to. (of course being the grandson of a minister requires me to know scripture and have my own opinions formed on things, which they didn't seem to like...) My second Methodist church had a lesbian couple as the heads of volunteer ministries.

Each church will be different but the thing is finding that church. In my opinion, the one's that fly the family colors outside tend to focus too much on being gay and not enough on being Christian. Faith is important, especially for those of us who constantly face some form of discrimination, whether it's in God, Jesus, The Mother Goddess, or Buddha's teaching's. It's important for us to put ourselves in the hands of the higher power(s) and not let what others say effect us.

Through patience and good support, you become stronger and stronger. Always remember that things can only get better from where you are now.

Welcome KJ. I must say, you seem familiar. Like we've talked or something...
But enough with my bad inside jokes. It's fairly open around here, so just join in on the conversation, or ask questions, or whatever you like

Oh a funny guy huh? lol. As seen above I have no problem jumping in and I look forward to talking about all kinds of things with you guys. ^_^
 

Breeder KJ

Well-Known Member
What do you think?

The Westboro Baptist Church, which held a protest outside my home church in Texas for being accepting of gays, is lead by Fred Phelps. These people are a perfect example of bigotry and un-christian like behaviour. The Bible says that God hates no one, that God is the ONLY one who can pass Judgement, and that ALL SINS are equal in his eyes. What we do is just as bad a sin in the eyes of God as lying, theft, and even driving on sunday >.<

That being said. I think what the Comic-con did was absolutely wonderful and I really wish I could have been there!! What's your guys' take on it?

"They've faced down humans time and time again, but Fred Phelps and his minions from the Westboro Baptist Church were not ready for the cosplay action that awaited them today at Comic-Con. After all, who can win against a counter protest that includes robots, magical anime girls, Trekkies, Jedi and...kittens?" ...more
 
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scarecrow_stitches

blissfully dead
Welcome Breeder_kj! Yay, someone around my age that lives in WA. What part of WA are you in, if you don't mind me asking? Seattle here--City boy all the way.

I also (unfortunately) grew up as a southern baptist.

Oh, welcome to the other noobs too! ^_^

So yeah... Since there seem to be a plethora of new people, lets all get to know eachother shall we? Post one (or more if you so wish) random fact(s) about yourself. Be as random as you like!

*I sing, and play a myriad of instruments in my band, which is called Mantaray. (If any of you are in the Seattle area, keep an eye out for our band fliars and come to my shows! Especially if you like punk rock, folk, and poetic chamber-goth type stuff)

*I'm a liscensed body piercer, and I worked in a tattoo shop for 3 years. It was pretty cool and I'd love to get back into it, though right now I'm a bartender/bus boy at an Eastlake bar/pizza joint and housewife on the side. haha

*I punch people in my sleep, apparently.

*I've been a vegetarian for like, 8 years.

*I SO almost took home a free puppy yesterday. It was so cute! But I know my boyfriend would kill me if I did...

*I have no clue where the huge bruise on my shoulder came from. It freaking hurts though. I think it involved a few too many cocktails, stairs and a brick wall but I'm still not sure. (It's better not to try and speculate such things)

Uh huh. I've had a bit too much coffee this morning, so pardon me if I post a bunch of random crap in here.

*twitch/spaz*
 
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Shiny Pokemon Chaser Ky

<-Gotcha, 140 eggs!
Welcome, do you mind if I just call you hunter? or Ky?
I take it this is my territory, though. Both your problems, rolled into one, but a bit more extreme, were mine, too. My father is a pastor, Southern Baptist, very anti-homosexuality. My relationship with my father was love/hate, only sans the love. I came out to him on tuesday, and he wasn't too shocked, accpted me, and then tried to convince me it's a choice. He said himself that some of the most spectacular bodies are male, so I may be sensing some repressed bisexuality from him. But he said acting on said emotions are sin. So, he's apathetic to gays as long as they don't have gay sex. Like the mormon church.

Interesting note: his little brother was gay. The second son. I am also the second son. Interesting when there are studies that show a higher rate of homosexuality in each son the more are had.
Sure, Ky works fine. =) I know that my username is really long, lol.

As far as things with your father go, I hope he is able to get past this whole "it's a choice" thing. Thankfully, nobody has said that to me yet. I don't understand why any sane person would choose to be gay when so many people hate us. And with the whole forced celibacy thing, I think it's really stupid. They say that they expect no more from gay people than straight people- that they abstain from sexual activity unless they are in a marriage between a man and a woman. But the unmarried heteros at least can hold out hope that they would find someone, but us homos would have to be lonely and miserable for the rest of our lives. The Catholics hold the same position as the Mormons, as do many other protestant churches. Most of my immediate family and about half of my friends are Catholic, and many disagree with their church's stance on gay marriage. I've also heard the odds of a son being gay go up with each birth. I personally only have an older sister though.

I'm the grandson of a Baptist Minister and one thing you should understand about all churches is that just because one church in that denomination says it's wrong doesn't mean all of them will.

I suggest going to different churches and just listening to their sermons for a while. You don't have to join a church to listen to them preach >.< I found that while most Methodists are accepting of us gays, there are several conservative versions of that denomination that will make you feel uncomfortable. Ex: When I came out to my first Methodist church. they treated me with kid gloves. saying that more people like me needed to be preached to. (of course being the grandson of a minister requires me to know scripture and have my own opinions formed on things, which they didn't seem to like...) My second Methodist church had a lesbian couple as the heads of volunteer ministries.

Each church will be different but the thing is finding that church. In my opinion, the one's that fly the family colors outside tend to focus too much on being gay and not enough on being Christian. Faith is important, especially for those of us who constantly face some form of discrimination, whether it's in God, Jesus, The Mother Goddess, or Buddha's teaching's. It's important for us to put ourselves in the hands of the higher power(s) and not let what others say effect us.

Through patience and good support, you become stronger and stronger. Always remember that things can only get better from where you are now.

Yeah, opinions vary within each church in a denomination. My church is very small (about 25 members xD, it's the smallest in the area) and almost everyone in it is elderly. Obviously, most elders take a conservative stance on this subject, so my church condemns it. There are other American Baptists who support gay rights though, such as Peggy Campolo. Her husband is a pastor and they have held public debates about gay marriage before. If you google her (or her husband Tony Campolo) you should find some of them. Although the United Methodist church officially condemns homosexuality, many United Methodist churches themselves are open and affirming. There are several like that in my area, including the one that my friend goes to.

Right now, I have to keep attending my church because my parents are forcing me to. xD I want to find a different one, but I guess I will have to wait until I am older. I agree, faith is important (at least to most people, myself included).

Oh, and the Westboro Baptist Church is definitely a cult. It is made up almost entirely of Fred Phelp's brainwashed family. If you look it up on youtube you can see some videos of the horrible things that are taught to his grandchildren. :/ It's really sad.
 

Fused

Shun the nonbeliever
Welcome, do you mind if I just call you hunter? or Ky?
I take it this is my territory, though. Both your problems, rolled into one, but a bit more extreme, were mine, too. My father is a pastor, Southern Baptist, very anti-homosexuality. My relationship with my father was love/hate, only sans the love. I came out to him on tuesday, and he wasn't too shocked, accpted me, and then tried to convince me it's a choice. He said himself that some of the most spectacular bodies are male, so I may be sensing some repressed bisexuality from him. But he said acting on said emotions are sin. So, he's apathetic to gays as long as they don't have gay sex. Like the mormon church.

Interesting note: his little brother was gay. The second son. I am also the second son. Interesting when there are studies that show a higher rate of homosexuality in each son the more are had.

A bisexual dad with a gay little brother but is now a preacher who beleives homosexuality is wrong, simply put. Sounds like every other anti-gay person I've heard of - and they've all come out at some point in time.

There may be a happy ending for all of this.

and a "duh" from my friends.

Don't friends know just what to say?

That being said. I think what the Comic-con did was absolutely wonderful and I really wish I could have been there!! What's your guys' take on it?

A true testament to the awesomeness of popular culture.

Seriously, it's nice that our generation is finally starting to see and be vocal about the flaws in religions that past generations have been ignorant of.

Oh, and the Westboro Baptist Church is definitely a cult. It is made up almost entirely of Fred Phelp's brainwashed family. If you look it up on youtube you can see some videos of the horrible things that are taught to his grandchildren. :/ It's really sad.

There was an ABC special about it on a while ago. It was a family of 5 and the parents disowned their daughter and haven't spoken with her for like three years just because she was doubtful of their religion. She said that once she broke away, she saw how messed up the people were, and according to her, her parents told her two siblings, who are like 5 and 6, that their big sister worships the devil and to hate her.

Yeah, the Westboro hates anything that doesn't hate exactly what they hate. They are a hate group. If it wasn't real, it would be a great satirical take on all modern religions, but unfortunately the invention of minds like Orwell and Swift have been made into a horrific reality.
 

Nightlingbolt

AKA Nightlingbolt
Ethan: Obviously you can adopt, depending on where you're from. I mean, for God's sake, it's just a name, it's not like you're passing down a unique bloodline, or even a Kekkei Genkai. As long as you can legally call a child your son or daughter, the family name gets passed down for another generation.

Slash4Life: I think your dad's torn between your sexuality and your faith - he loves you and is willing to support your lifestyle, but at the same time, he's taught and been taught that homosexuality is a choice. My best advice would be to use his faith against him. Explain to him that God is infallible and made you a homosexual as part of His divine plan. You may want to get more involved in his faith and find some sort of middle ground with him. I dunno, I'm not good at stuff relating to coming out.

As for me, I've thought about what it would be like to be boyfriends with a few guys, but invariably that leads to thoughts of male genitalia, which tends to bother me, no thanks to my dad's habit of not always using a towel. I mean, hell, I can't remember the last time I masturbated while seeing my penis - I always have my hand down my pants and rely on my underwear to catch it. To make matters worse, I do it to lesbian erotica/iPhone porn. All because Dad had to walk around naked. So, I really don't have much to contribute. :(
 

Breeder KJ

Well-Known Member
For some reason, even though i'm subscribed to this thread, it only told me there were new posts 10 minutes ago...weird

Welcome Breeder_kj! Yay, someone around my age that lives in WA. What part of WA are you in, if you don't mind me asking? Seattle here--City boy all the way.

I also (unfortunately) grew up as a southern baptist.

OMG I'm just outside of Seattle in Auburn!! YAY!! How old are you?

Yeah, opinions vary within each church in a denomination. My church is very small (about 25 members xD, it's the smallest in the area) and almost everyone in it is elderly. Obviously, most elders take a conservative stance on this subject, so my church condemns it. There are other American Baptists who support gay rights though, such as Peggy Campolo. Her husband is a pastor and they have held public debates about gay marriage before. If you google her (or her husband Tony Campolo) you should find some of them. Although the United Methodist church officially condemns homosexuality, many United Methodist churches themselves are open and affirming. There are several like that in my area, including the one that my friend goes to.

Right now, I have to keep attending my church because my parents are forcing me to. xD I want to find a different one, but I guess I will have to wait until I am older. I agree, faith is important (at least to most people, myself included).

Oh, and the Westboro Baptist Church is definitely a cult. It is made up almost entirely of Fred Phelp's brainwashed family. If you look it up on youtube you can see some videos of the horrible things that are taught to his grandchildren. :/ It's really sad.

Try talking to them about going to a different church they might be cool with it.

I know, the things Fred Phelps teach his congregation are so outdated and offensive that I'm surprised they're still around.

Don't friends know just what to say?

They do don't they?!

A true testament to the awesomeness of popular culture.

Seriously, it's nice that our generation is finally starting to see and be vocal about the flaws in religions that past generations have been ignorant of.

I'm glad to see the things I'm seeing now in popular culture, not only with more gays in media, but with an even acceptance of multiple walks of life. Really isn't that our goal when we're fight for our rights? To be equal with all the other lifestyles and ways of thinking. Which makes me excited to see what will happen when our generation finally rises to power. I think we'll implement the most change in our nations culture and attitude.

I hugely applaud the Comic-con people for this too. Major awesome points!!
 

theverybest

That noone ever was?
Ok so wait. @Darth Osiris, are you straight then? Or are you gay/bi...and furthermore...why are you afraid of penises? Seriously, they're wonderful. ;D Ahahahaha.
I will say nothing else on the topic to keep this thread G-rated. Although on the boyfriend thing, I understood that you were gay, but then you told me that you get off on lesbian erotica. Hell I tend to get off on anything sexual. People getting hot together is just that, hot. However, I tend to find lesbian stuff boring because of all the homophobes that enjoy straight or slightly bisexual women screwing around with each other in a very plastic, over-veneered environment. That is to say, I would wager money that the majority of those women don't actually sleep or date women in their personal lives, but that's just my view. I like lesbian love stories though. Actually I like love stories about anything ahahaha. I'm just a suck.

Also, I just wanted to say. Your whole post was very ...freudian. Hahaha :)
 

Thumper

.H O.
Hi y'all, I'd like to join please.
I'm a gay teen, and I just came to terms with my sexuality last year. I've even told three people about it; two of which were very accepting, one of them was not though.
But I don't really care about what people think, and if I wasn't so worried about my parents kicking me out of the house I'd come out to everyone... :)
 

Fused

Shun the nonbeliever
As for me, I've thought about what it would be like to be boyfriends with a few guys, but invariably that leads to thoughts of male genitalia, which tends to bother me, no thanks to my dad's habit of not always using a towel. I mean, hell, I can't remember the last time I masturbated while seeing my penis - I always have my hand down my pants and rely on my underwear to catch it. To make matters worse, I do it to lesbian erotica/iPhone porn. All because Dad had to walk around naked. So, I really don't have much to contribute. :(

Uh... wow... that is all.

Masturbating while wearing pants sounds... uncomfortable. I mean, maybe through the fly or something, but... yeah.

I will say nothing else on the topic to keep this thread G-rated.

It wasn't G in the first place.

Although on the boyfriend thing, I understood that you were gay, but then you told me that you get off on lesbian erotica. Hell I tend to get off on anything sexual. People getting hot together is just that, hot. However, I tend to find lesbian stuff boring because of all the homophobes that enjoy straight or slightly bisexual women screwing around with each other in a very plastic, over-veneered environment. That is to say, I would wager money that the majority of those women don't actually sleep or date women in their personal lives, but that's just my view.

The same is probably the same for a lot of gay porn stars. But I can honestly say, anything with women doesn't do anything for me.

EDIT: Welcome Thumper!
 

theverybest

That noone ever was?
I think the same is probably true for a number of gay porn stars, but I wouldn't be surprised if the number was lower. Regardless, I'm not a huge fan of really over-produced porn, it makes me feel bad for myself lol.

@Fused, I suppose it wasn't G in the first place. But....I THINK if I write a descriptive paragraph on how much I just lve ****, I'll be pushing it. xD Or I'll at least make myself look perverted, which isn't totally justified. But now allow me to continue speaking sexually. Haha

Jerking off in your pants is definitely uncomfortable, not to mention the globs of sticky semen in your undies. Which I can't say I enjoy too much. But if, you know, that's your thing, don't let it stop you from having a great time. Anyway, I'm still just curious about your aversion to penises. Is it like catholic guilt? Not that I'm saying your catholic, but is it something like that? I remember hearing someone say very accurately how about growing up gay, no one explains to you how things are supposed to be done, no one tells you that what you're going to be doing sexually is overly accepted, appropriate, safe, natural, anything along the lines of that, no one tells you that the love you'll share with another man is gonna be beautiful; so the feeling of guilt or aversion, although not ubiqutous, can enter your mind every now and then. And even if that wasn't related to your phallophobia, I just wanted to say it. I'm not gonna lie, I've seen my mother nude or semi-nude a couple of times and although I am not traumatized nor do I ever really whine about it, I can say that I definitely don't enjoy it. I get so scared. Hahaha, however, I've seen my dad naked and not really cared, in fact I thought it was funny, now, whether or not that's because I'm gay is debatable. The funny thing is, we're not really that prude about nudity, if I'm having a lazy I'll usually stay in my boxers all day, probably wearing a shirt though.

Ahahahaha, actually my mother accidentally saw my testacles about two weeks ago, I was very embarrassed, but we just laughed it off. Although the best story is probably when my step-dad needed to talk to me, and he told me to come see him after I got out of the shower, but I was going somewhere after so I told him to just tell me now, it couldn't possibly take too long to explain. Then he said...that he kinda did need to use the washroom, so I told him to just tell me then while he was using the washroom ahaha, even though we very well have two washrooms to use. The cherry on top of this probably awkward situation was my mom coming to the washroom to grab something, just thinking I was in there, but also curious hearing voices, then opening the door to see my step-dad using the washroom while I am showering and we are both having a conversation--she just left without really saying anything. Ahahahaha
 

Willow's Tara

The Bewitched
Welcome to the club to all new members, I do want to answer some of those posts but right now I can't really be bothered.

Not such a great year, hell 2010 is the worst year of my life so far, so much for dawning of a new era. See I just found out today my parents split up... In May but didn't tell me (I don't know about my brothers or sister) until my Mum told me today. My dad moved out in like May but they said it was because of his work and he had to live near the Gold Coast, but I always thought it was weird he moved and she didn't.

Not only that but like last week I found a notice on our door that my dad was getting sued for something to do with his restaurant, and today my mum told me we are going to have most likely move because of it (Just great after eight or ten years of complaining about the lack of internet in my room and finally got it in October, fixed it again in April when it stopped working and now who knows with other stuff) and an uncertain future of where we are going to live. I could move somewhere else being 22 but I dunno where, if Mum moves to a crappy place (With my brother and sister) or can't find a place I might see if a relative will let me live with them.

Ironic I hate this house, and always wanted to move but I don't want to now, because this is different we won't have that much money, from what I was talking about I wanted to move to a better and nicer home, not to a potentially more crap one.

This whole year has been crap to me, barely anything good has happened to me in real life. Anyways once again sorry for not replying to any posts, I just don't feel that up to it.
 
FOr the bi's (that made my lol because I am newfie, i don't expect anyone to get it, but if you do please tell me ^.^) how do you deal with the flack saying that it's just a phase and that you're not really bi, or that you're just a ****ty horny dog? I hate that. It's along the same lines of me "not being ABLE to get a girlfriend." Haha. Yeah right.

Peace and love all!!!! :D <3

That. THAT is half the reason I haven't come out to my parents (or anyone)
Because at my school there are quite a few "bisexual" kids who actually aren't. How do I know? Long story short, they've had boyfriends/girlfriends of the same gender and were really fake about it if you get what I mean :/ And lots of them "came out" right after a few other people did & made it seem like a fun la-dee-da choice. My sisters told my Mother about all the bi kids, etc & Mum's pretty much concerned it's a phase or they aren't really (which quite a few aren't, so yeah)

However, I know quite a few bi and gay people who are genuine and super nice :3
 

xbluextotodile1394

Blue Knight of Water
That. THAT is half the reason I haven't come out to my parents (or anyone)
Because at my school there are quite a few "bisexual" kids who actually aren't. How do I know? Long story short, they've had boyfriends/girlfriends of the same gender and were really fake about it if you get what I mean :/ And lots of them "came out" right after a few other people did & made it seem like a fun la-dee-da choice. My sisters told my Mother about all the bi kids, etc & Mum's pretty much concerned it's a phase or they aren't really (which quite a few aren't, so yeah)

However, I know quite a few bi and gay people who are genuine and super nice :3
I know alot of people in my school that are bi when there really not! One chicks a ***** and she does all this guys never a girl! and every year she cries prego or rape to get attention! But then I have freinds that are actually bi and they have been with both sides equal or not but aint really faking it lol.... We still differ in taste though my friend was like omg go look at the dude im dating he is hot! and i look and i go uhm toi u maybe to me not! lol
But i say ignore people be who u is and tell them if they hate They will feel the wrath of pikachu! lol XD
Remember love is everywhere! You just cant see it =3
 

Ethan

Banned
FOr the bi's (that made my lol because I am newfie, i don't expect anyone to get it, but if you do please tell me ^.^) how do you deal with the flack saying that it's just a phase and that you're not really bi, or that you're just a ****ty horny dog? I hate that. It's along the same lines of me "not being ABLE to get a girlfriend." Haha. Yeah right.

Peace and love all!!!! <3

Oi;

A guy that I was sort of interested in actually, was texting me and when I said I was bi his response was "Yikes" and that "Everyone says that at first."

I don't like it when people claim to know my sexuality better than myself. I didn't even like it when I did come out as bi, and some of friends said they thought it all along. If I say I'm straight, and you're my friend, you should believe I'm straight. If I say I'm bi, you should believe that I'm bi, and gay likewise. That's one of the only issues I have with my best friend. When I told her, she didn't even believe me, and said that one day I'd tell her that I was gay. It was kind of like a slap in the face really. I finally admit something about who I am to you, and you dismiss it? That's class. :/

Granted I'm primarily attracted to men, but there are women that do the job, if you will. People let stereotypes completely dominate their views on human sexuality. Even the most effeminate men can be straight, and the most masculine of men gay. Do me a favor and don't pretend to know what gives me erections better than I do. I'm sorry if you're gay and you don't really have the option of choosing a "normal" life, but that doesn't give you the right to character assassinate and accuse me of being disingenuous about my sexuality. Unless you want you're ass kicked, in which I'll be more than happy to oblige.

I could rant forever about that, honestly. It wouldn't be that bad if it didn't hurt my feelings. I don't like being called a liar by anyone, much less about my sexuality.

I feel a little unique in the sense that, while I'm attracted to both sexes, I only feel an emotional bond with women. From what I've experienced, I don't connect with men emotionally like I do women. It's as if each gender suits a certain need almost. Men fill more of a sexual need whereas women fill more of a mental need. It would be difficult to find a woman that I'm attracted to, but it would be difficult to find a man I could fall in love with. If...that makes any sense at all.
 
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