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~The Golden Summit!~
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Expert Evan
Old Fogey
CM Blissey
I can't say I've ever trained a CM Blissey though there is a pesky blissey of such I've encountered in battle tower as it can ice beam my salamence to death and fire blast metagross to smithereens and it most likely has the serene grace ability so it can freeze or burn opponents. To counter it, I use my toxicstalling blissey or thick-fat snorlax may be as good as well.
I can't say I've ever trained a CM Blissey though there is a pesky blissey of such I've encountered in battle tower as it can ice beam my salamence to death and fire blast metagross to smithereens and it most likely has the serene grace ability so it can freeze or burn opponents. To counter it, I use my toxicstalling blissey or thick-fat snorlax may be as good as well.
It all depends on your style of play. It would be impossible for me to always use the same pokemon as there are different sets of foes each round. In the early rounds, I use faster sweepers and when it gets tougher I may include any of the stallers there like blissey, dusclops, snorlax or swampert at that time.OFF TOPIC QUESTION:
what is the best 3 pokemon for each of the facilities?
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Blissey's special attack with max EV's can be 248-279 which is not bad for a calm minder. That Blissey in battle tower is available in the battle factory in round 3. I might raise a Bold Blissey in the pyramid to give it a try. Hopefully I don't get outstalled by Gengar to my last struggle.
It all depends on your style of play. It would be impossible for me to always use the same pokemon as there are different sets of foes each round. In the early rounds, I use faster sweepers and when it gets tougher I may include any of the stallers there like blissey, dusclops, snorlax or swampert at that time.
i prefer covering my bases. i like knowing that i can take anything but the uber grumpig: all 3 punches+psychic+max sp. atk.
im thinking salamence sweeper, meta-tank, curselax?
Expert Evan
Old Fogey
miscellaneous (grumpig counter)
To counter the likes of a grumpig or other psychic and normal pest, I use heracross with STAB moves in megahorn & brick break at least with max attack & speed.
i prefer covering my bases. i like knowing that i can take anything but the uber grumpig: all 3 punches+psychic+max sp. atk.
im thinking salamence sweeper, meta-tank, curselax?
To counter the likes of a grumpig or other psychic and normal pest, I use heracross with STAB moves in megahorn & brick break at least with max attack & speed.
Battle Palace
I didn't use that pokemon in the palace but I did in the Tower. I started with Metagross, if the opponent sends out a Fire type, switch to starmie, if the opponent sends out a ground type, switch to Salamence.
for the palace i have adamant Salamence,Hardy Metagross,Timid Starmie which is the best order for this team.
I didn't use that pokemon in the palace but I did in the Tower. I started with Metagross, if the opponent sends out a Fire type, switch to starmie, if the opponent sends out a ground type, switch to Salamence.
Absol 20/20
Seasoned Trainer
New Topic!
Okay, not so much on Blissey with Calm Mind... Although, I would argue that Shock Wave, Flamethrower, or Psychic would be good uses of her Sp. Attack boost. Well, here's the next Topic.
What would a good Tyranitar for the Frontier look like? (use "Tyranitar")
I asked this in the Official Serebii Forums Battle Frontier Help Thread. This was posted by Fighting Master.
Tyranitar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 192 HP / 104 Atk / 52 Def / 160 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance
- Ice Beam
Well? I also heard that CBtar is okay, too.
Miscellaneous
I am probably not going to be able to post on a regular basis, so please start any topics you want (within reason eh?).
Okay, not so much on Blissey with Calm Mind... Although, I would argue that Shock Wave, Flamethrower, or Psychic would be good uses of her Sp. Attack boost. Well, here's the next Topic.
What would a good Tyranitar for the Frontier look like? (use "Tyranitar")
I asked this in the Official Serebii Forums Battle Frontier Help Thread. This was posted by Fighting Master.
Tyranitar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 192 HP / 104 Atk / 52 Def / 160 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance
- Ice Beam
Well? I also heard that CBtar is okay, too.
Miscellaneous
I am probably not going to be able to post on a regular basis, so please start any topics you want (within reason eh?).
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dragontamer_blake
Battle-Dome trainer
Tyranitar
i think the sets fighting master and medaton covered it pretty much i dont know about cbtar just something instead of dragondance fireblast maybe
i think the sets fighting master and medaton covered it pretty much i dont know about cbtar just something instead of dragondance fireblast maybe
Absol 20/20
Seasoned Trainer
Tyranitar
Why Fire Blast? I would think that physical moves would work better. What about Earthquake, Rock Slide, Aerial Ace (if you're worried about bugs or grass types), Brick Break, Return, Body Slam, etc.?
Why Fire Blast? I would think that physical moves would work better. What about Earthquake, Rock Slide, Aerial Ace (if you're worried about bugs or grass types), Brick Break, Return, Body Slam, etc.?
Expert Evan
Old Fogey
Miscellaneous (Fire Blast)
While I'm not a fan of fire blast, the ideal is to deal with the likes of skarmory on netbattle since skarmory has godly defenses. In-game skarmory does not work like a netbattler.
Why Fire Blast? I would think that physical moves would work better. What about Earthquake, Rock Slide, Aerial Ace (if you're worried about bugs or grass types), Brick Break, Return, Body Slam, etc.?
While I'm not a fan of fire blast, the ideal is to deal with the likes of skarmory on netbattle since skarmory has godly defenses. In-game skarmory does not work like a netbattler.
dragontamer_blake
Battle-Dome trainer
Tyranitar
yes i was thinking of netbattle but i think eearthquake and ariel ace are good options
yes i was thinking of netbattle but i think eearthquake and ariel ace are good options
Miscellaneous
Thank you!
Now on to the other topics:
The Battle Arena
What was your hardest facility and why?
The Arena, as you see in the title. Why? I lost many times due to hax, just look:
Losses:
1. 40th trainer, she had an Exploding Glalie that OHKO'ed my Salamence.
2. 31st battle against a Ninjask & an Ursaring.
3. Battle 44 against a Slowbro with Quick claw & a Special Sweeping Porygon2.
4. 32nd battle against a Aerodactyl that got a CH Ancientpower at my Salamence
5. 14th battle against a Haxing Crawdaunt & a Grumpig.
Yes, I lost five times there. I was close at losing another time, but I won. You’ll see more about it later.
This was the Pokemon I used when I finally made it to the 56th battle:
Heracross (M) @ Focus Band ** Brave
Trait: Guts
Flawless Att / Spd
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Att / 252 Spd
Nature: Adamant
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake
- Brick Break
- Megahorn
Main physical Sweeper. It used to have Choice Band, but I switched it to Focus Band, and it really helped me.
Starmie @ Petaya Berry ** Ralhix
Trait: Natural cure
Flawless HP / Sp.att / Spd
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Sp.att / 252 Spd
Nature: Modest
- Recover
- Surf
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
Special Sweeper. I used to have Gardevoir here, but then I switched it for Starmie, and it only fainted once in the 56 Battles (which was against the 55th trainer, btw).
Salamence (M) @ Leftovers ** Brutus
Trait: Intimidate
Flawless Att / Spd
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Att / 252 Spd
Nature: Adamant
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance
- Rock Slide
- Aerial Ace
Second physical Sweeper, I only needed to use it once, which was in the 55th battle. A Heracross had killed of My Heracross & Starmie, I sent out Salamence, Used Dragon Dance, Aerial ace, Heracross fainted, Trainer Sent out Flareon, Earthquake, Flareon fainted, trainer sent out Exploud, Earthquake again. Exploud used Mega Kick, leaving Salamence with 43 HP left, I used Earthquake again, and Exploud Fainted.
And here is how the battle against Greta was:
Start:
Greta sent out Umbreon!
Go! Heracross!
Turn 1:
Heracross used Megahorn (-100%)!
Umbreon fainted!
Greta sent out Gengar!
Turn 2:
Heracross used Rock slide (-35%)!
Gengar used Psychic (-70%)!
Gengar recovered with Leftovers (+3%).
Turn 3:
Heracross used Rock slide (-35%)!
Gengar used Psychic (-30%)!
Heracross Fainted!
Go! Starmie!
Gengar recovered with Leftovers (+3%).
Turn 4:
Starmie used Surf (-36%)!
Gengar fainted!
Greta sent out Breelom!
Turn 5:
Starmie used Ice Beam (-100%)!
Breelom fainted!
Player defeated Arena Captain Greta!
Miscellaneous
Curselax
How many times should you use Curse before Resting?
IMO, 1-3 times, depending on its Att/Def stats. If you get the chance to curse six times, it is worth it, but it may be enough with 1-3 times.
CM Blissey
What would a Calm Mind Blissey look like, and would it be effective?
Something like this, maybe:
Blissey @ Leftovers (or maybe something else)
Trait: I don’t think it makes any big difference, since both Natural cure & Serene Grace may be useful for it
Evs: No idea
Nature: Bold or Modest I think
- Calm Mind
- Softboiled
- Thunderbolt
- Ice beam
I don’t know if it would be effective. I used one with Fire Blast / Blizzard at the Factory once, it worked quite well, but I had to swap it for a Swampert.
Tyranitar
That moveset looks good, but what is it going to do with Ice Beam? A physical move is better for the last slot, IMO.
That seems good to, with Aerial ace for haxers like Metagross said. It could also have the Evs: 88 HP / 252 Att / 168 Spd, if you want to give it more HP.
Absol 20/20 said:Welcome to the Summit, 16 years later! Excellent post!
Thank you!
Now on to the other topics:
The Battle Arena
What was your hardest facility and why?
The Arena, as you see in the title. Why? I lost many times due to hax, just look:
Losses:
1. 40th trainer, she had an Exploding Glalie that OHKO'ed my Salamence.
2. 31st battle against a Ninjask & an Ursaring.
3. Battle 44 against a Slowbro with Quick claw & a Special Sweeping Porygon2.
4. 32nd battle against a Aerodactyl that got a CH Ancientpower at my Salamence
5. 14th battle against a Haxing Crawdaunt & a Grumpig.
Yes, I lost five times there. I was close at losing another time, but I won. You’ll see more about it later.
This was the Pokemon I used when I finally made it to the 56th battle:
Heracross (M) @ Focus Band ** Brave
Trait: Guts
Flawless Att / Spd
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Att / 252 Spd
Nature: Adamant
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake
- Brick Break
- Megahorn
Main physical Sweeper. It used to have Choice Band, but I switched it to Focus Band, and it really helped me.
Starmie @ Petaya Berry ** Ralhix
Trait: Natural cure
Flawless HP / Sp.att / Spd
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Sp.att / 252 Spd
Nature: Modest
- Recover
- Surf
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
Special Sweeper. I used to have Gardevoir here, but then I switched it for Starmie, and it only fainted once in the 56 Battles (which was against the 55th trainer, btw).
Salamence (M) @ Leftovers ** Brutus
Trait: Intimidate
Flawless Att / Spd
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Att / 252 Spd
Nature: Adamant
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance
- Rock Slide
- Aerial Ace
Second physical Sweeper, I only needed to use it once, which was in the 55th battle. A Heracross had killed of My Heracross & Starmie, I sent out Salamence, Used Dragon Dance, Aerial ace, Heracross fainted, Trainer Sent out Flareon, Earthquake, Flareon fainted, trainer sent out Exploud, Earthquake again. Exploud used Mega Kick, leaving Salamence with 43 HP left, I used Earthquake again, and Exploud Fainted.
And here is how the battle against Greta was:
Start:
Greta sent out Umbreon!
Go! Heracross!
Turn 1:
Heracross used Megahorn (-100%)!
Umbreon fainted!
Greta sent out Gengar!
Turn 2:
Heracross used Rock slide (-35%)!
Gengar used Psychic (-70%)!
Gengar recovered with Leftovers (+3%).
Turn 3:
Heracross used Rock slide (-35%)!
Gengar used Psychic (-30%)!
Heracross Fainted!
Go! Starmie!
Gengar recovered with Leftovers (+3%).
Turn 4:
Starmie used Surf (-36%)!
Gengar fainted!
Greta sent out Breelom!
Turn 5:
Starmie used Ice Beam (-100%)!
Breelom fainted!
Player defeated Arena Captain Greta!
Miscellaneous
Curselax
How many times should you use Curse before Resting?
IMO, 1-3 times, depending on its Att/Def stats. If you get the chance to curse six times, it is worth it, but it may be enough with 1-3 times.
CM Blissey
What would a Calm Mind Blissey look like, and would it be effective?
Something like this, maybe:
Blissey @ Leftovers (or maybe something else)
Trait: I don’t think it makes any big difference, since both Natural cure & Serene Grace may be useful for it
Evs: No idea
Nature: Bold or Modest I think
- Calm Mind
- Softboiled
- Thunderbolt
- Ice beam
I don’t know if it would be effective. I used one with Fire Blast / Blizzard at the Factory once, it worked quite well, but I had to swap it for a Swampert.
Tyranitar
Absol 20/20 said:Tyranitar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 192 HP / 104 Atk / 52 Def / 160 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance
- Ice Beam
That moveset looks good, but what is it going to do with Ice Beam? A physical move is better for the last slot, IMO.
Icy Wind said:Tyranitar
@ Scope Lens
EVs: 252 Attack/ 252 Speed/ 6 Hp
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance
- Aerial Ace
That seems good to, with Aerial ace for haxers like Metagross said. It could also have the Evs: 88 HP / 252 Att / 168 Spd, if you want to give it more HP.
Expert Evan
Old Fogey
Miscellaneous (Dusclops, D/P evolutions)
Now that Diamond/Pearl is coming around soon. I am starting to consider certain pokemon that will have new evolutions and for perhaps future battle frontier purposes. For starters, I bred for an adamant elekid, wonderfully outstanding in abilities with flawless attack/speed since its attack stat will be much higher than sp.atk as an elekible and it will have a decent attack movepool as well. Now this leads me to another new evolution which I have already had some success with as follows:
Dusclops @ leftovers, flawless HP/defense/sp.def
Nature: careful
EVs: 252 HP, 56 attack, 96 defense, 104 sp.def
- pain split
- will-o-wisp
- seismic toss
- shadow ball
Since shadow ball will become a special attack instead of as an attack in D/P, I may have to re-breed for one with calm nature unless there will be a replaceable ghost attack as an attack type. Thoughts anybody?
Now that Diamond/Pearl is coming around soon. I am starting to consider certain pokemon that will have new evolutions and for perhaps future battle frontier purposes. For starters, I bred for an adamant elekid, wonderfully outstanding in abilities with flawless attack/speed since its attack stat will be much higher than sp.atk as an elekible and it will have a decent attack movepool as well. Now this leads me to another new evolution which I have already had some success with as follows:
Dusclops @ leftovers, flawless HP/defense/sp.def
Nature: careful
EVs: 252 HP, 56 attack, 96 defense, 104 sp.def
- pain split
- will-o-wisp
- seismic toss
- shadow ball
Since shadow ball will become a special attack instead of as an attack in D/P, I may have to re-breed for one with calm nature unless there will be a replaceable ghost attack as an attack type. Thoughts anybody?
Miscellaneous ** Dusclops
I have a Dusclops that is almost identical to that one. And here is my other one, that i'm gonna raise for the Palace:
Dusclops (F) ** Clara (Will most likely be holding Leftovers)
Trait: Pressure
Flawless Def / Sp.att, wonderfully outstanding
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Def / 172 Sp.att / 10 Sp.def
Nature: Calm
- Calm Mind
- Ice Beam
- Will-O-Wisp
- Thunderpunch
For D/P, you may replace Thunderpunch with Shadow ball, and make a sweeper, or use Psychic (if it is a Special attack in D/P).
Using one like that one you already have, you can breed for a Calm one & change the EVs from Att to Sp.att (and maybe put in Calm Mind somewhere).
Now that Diamond/Pearl is coming around soon. I am starting to consider certain pokemon that will have new evolutions and for perhaps future battle frontier purposes. For starters, I bred for an adamant elekid, wonderfully outstanding in abilities with flawless attack/speed since its attack stat will be much higher than sp.atk as an elekible and it will have a decent attack movepool as well. Now this leads me to another new evolution which I have already had some success with as follows:
Dusclops @ leftovers, flawless HP/defense/sp.def
Nature: careful
EVs: 252 HP, 56 attack, 96 defense, 104 sp.def
- pain split
- will-o-wisp
- seismic toss
- shadow ball
Since shadow ball will become a special attack instead of as an attack in D/P, I may have to re-breed for one with calm nature unless there will be a replaceable ghost attack as an attack type. Thoughts anybody?
I have a Dusclops that is almost identical to that one. And here is my other one, that i'm gonna raise for the Palace:
Dusclops (F) ** Clara (Will most likely be holding Leftovers)
Trait: Pressure
Flawless Def / Sp.att, wonderfully outstanding
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Def / 172 Sp.att / 10 Sp.def
Nature: Calm
- Calm Mind
- Ice Beam
- Will-O-Wisp
- Thunderpunch
For D/P, you may replace Thunderpunch with Shadow ball, and make a sweeper, or use Psychic (if it is a Special attack in D/P).
Using one like that one you already have, you can breed for a Calm one & change the EVs from Att to Sp.att (and maybe put in Calm Mind somewhere).
Breaking News
I just won Palace Gold,my third Gold Symbol after Dome and Tower,this was my team.
Metagross@Lum Berry
Trait:Clear Body
Hardy Nature
EVS:Attack 252/Defense 130/Speed 128
Meteor Mash
Psychic
Sludge Bomb
Shadow Ball
Snorlax@Leftovers
Trait:Thick Fat
Impish Nature
EVS:HP 210/Defense 150/Special Defense 150
Return
Shadow Ball
Rest
Belly Drum
Starmie@Brightpowder
Trait:Natural Cure
Timid Nature
EVS:Special Attack 252/Speed 252/HP 6
Thunderbolt
Surf
Ice Beam
Psychic
I just won Palace Gold,my third Gold Symbol after Dome and Tower,this was my team.
Metagross@Lum Berry
Trait:Clear Body
Hardy Nature
EVS:Attack 252/Defense 130/Speed 128
Meteor Mash
Psychic
Sludge Bomb
Shadow Ball
Snorlax@Leftovers
Trait:Thick Fat
Impish Nature
EVS:HP 210/Defense 150/Special Defense 150
Return
Shadow Ball
Rest
Belly Drum
Starmie@Brightpowder
Trait:Natural Cure
Timid Nature
EVS:Special Attack 252/Speed 252/HP 6
Thunderbolt
Surf
Ice Beam
Psychic
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